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bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:17 PM ET
I left a when you said Dumba earlier when I asked who they plan to get b/c my brain is fried and didn't realize that is an actual name on the draft sheet thought you were calling me a dumb@$$, I sowwy and for that I shall most likely be perceived as ....
- JoeRussomanno

Way to be joe
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:17 PM ET
Once again I completely understand. My only issue is when have the Flyers ever been right on selecting a defenseman? Now when it comes to forwards they are legit.
- stveshdy


Maybe thats why they had pronger scouting in the front office?????? god im begining to sound like EK
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:18 PM ET
Ever hear of Joni Pitkanen?
- aightwebang17


good pick
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:19 PM ET
UMMMMM M WTF

bryzgoalie30 ‏@bryzgoalie30
Draft 2012 flyers first round pick,powerfull defensman
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 21 @ 2:20 PM ET
pitkanen and sbisa weren't bad picks, imo.
- OrangeBlack27

Both those players are role guys. Nothing better than a second pairing. Thats still two players out of many. I don't even know who they consider at this pick so it may very well be a forward that they love.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:20 PM ET
Saw a post from a guy named chris botta. He said that he thinks that ryan winds up a flyer and nash a ranger. Fwit boom
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:20 PM ET
Way to be joe
- bigmookalookie

did you tase yourself yet?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 21 @ 2:21 PM ET
UMMMMM M WTF

bryzgoalie30 ‏@bryzgoalie30
Draft 2012 flyers first round pick,powerfull defensman

- Philly1980


Bryz has been very quite this offseason. Is that even his account?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 21 @ 2:22 PM ET
UMMMMM M WTF

bryzgoalie30 ‏@bryzgoalie30
Draft 2012 flyers first round pick,powerfull defensman

- Philly1980


Prob fake account?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:22 PM ET
Bryz has been very quite this offseason. Is that even his account?
- stveshdy


yep
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:22 PM ET
Prob fake account?
- funmaster18


nope
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:24 PM ET
Prob fake account?
- funmaster18


That's his account. My Twitter won't refresh so I don't see it yet.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:24 PM ET
This going to be the topic of tomorrow's blog, but to answer an earlier question, it is very hard to find NHL-ready defensemen in the Draft. Even players who are as highly touted as Adam Larsson last year often end up as healthy scratches in the playoffs of their first NHL season.

Ryan Murray is said to be NHL ready or very close. Cody Ceci is also believed to be very close. Griffin Reinhart is likely going to take longer -- perhaps a few seasons longer -- to emerge but may have a Shea Weber-like upside in the long term.

There are plenty of "safe" defense picks in this year's draft, who have 3rd-4th defenseman NHL potential and could be ready in 2-3 years but don't have huge upside at the NHL level. Matt Finn is one example who could be available in the Flyers' current range, along with Olli Määttä and Ludvig Byström. There are also some players likely to be available beyond round one who are pretty safe projections to develop in time into decent 4th-5th defensemen, such as Ville Pokka (compared by one scout to Toni Lydman) and Mikko Vainonen (a Nicklas Grossmann type with better foot speed).

Then there are the riskier, swing-for-the-fences types with higher offensive and/or physical upside but greater potential to miss the mark entirely. The two big names here are Matt Dumba and Slater Koekkoek, with the next step down being Derrick Pouliot and Dalton Thrower. Sleeper types who fit this profile include Jordan Schmaltz and Esa Lindell.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:24 PM ET
Both those players are role guys. Nothing better than a second pairing. Thats still two players out of many. I don't even know who they consider at this pick so it may very well be a forward that they love.
- stveshdy


sure, not saying they're franchise guys, but it's a tossup between pitkanen and ryan whitney (who went the next pick) as who was the best dman in that first round in 02.

and second pair is good value where they took sbisa at 19.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 21 @ 2:24 PM ET
Bryz has been very quite this offseason. Is that even his account?
- stveshdy

it's a verified account. looking at the replies he gets, i'm not sure why any celebrity/athlete would want a twitter account.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:25 PM ET
hahahaha hes a (frank)ing riot

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bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:25 PM ET
did you tase yourself yet?
- JoeRussomanno

Lol, ill wait until I hit the academy in late jul altho i have been oc sprayed
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Jun 21 @ 2:25 PM ET
That's his account. My Twitter won't refresh so I don't see it yet.
- Scoob


Odd thing for him to post then, no? I saw it. He tweeted a couple things.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:26 PM ET
This going to be the topic of tomorrow's blog, but to answer an earlier question, it is very hard to find NHL-ready defensemen in the Draft. Even players who are as highly touted as Adam Larsson last year often end up as healthy scratches in the playoffs of their first NHL season.

Ryan Murray is said to be NHL ready or very close. Cody Ceci is also believed to be very close. Griffin Reinhart is likely going to take longer -- perhaps a few seasons longer -- to emerge but may have a Shea Weber-like upside in the long term.

There are plenty of "safe" defense picks in this year's draft, who have 3rd-4th defenseman NHL potential and could be ready in 2-3 years but don't have huge upside at the NHL level. Matt Finn is one example who could be available in the Flyers' current range, along with Olli Määttä and Ludvig Byström. There are also some players likely to be available beyond round one who are pretty safe projections to develop in time into decent 4th-5th defensemen, such as Ville Pokka (compared by one scout to Toni Lydman) and Mikko Vainonen (a Nicklas Grossmann type with better foot speed).

Then there are the riskier, swing-for-the-fences types with higher offensive and/or physical upside but greater potential to miss the mark entirely. The two big names here are Matt Dumba and Slater Koekkoek, with the next step down being Derrick Pouliot and Dalton Thrower. Sleeper types who fit this profile include Jordan Schmaltz and Esa Lindell.

- bmeltzer


Don't forget Morgan Rielly in that Dumba category.
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 21 @ 2:26 PM ET
This going to be the topic of tomorrow's blog, but to answer an earlier question, it is very hard to find NHL-ready defensemen in the Draft. Even players who are as highly touted as Adam Larsson last year often end up as healthy scratches in the playoffs of their first NHL season.

Ryan Murray is said to be NHL ready or very close. Cody Ceci is also believed to be very close. Griffin Reinhart is likely going to take longer -- perhaps a few seasons longer -- to emerge but may have a Shea Weber-like upside in the long term.

There are plenty of "safe" defense picks in this year's draft, who have 3rd-4th defenseman NHL potential and could be ready in 2-3 years but don't have huge upside at the NHL level. Matt Finn is one example who could be available in the Flyers' current range, along with Olli Määttä and Ludvig Byström. There are also some players likely to be available beyond round one who are pretty safe projections to develop in time into decent 4th-5th defensemen, such as Ville Pokka (compared by one scout to Toni Lydman) and Mikko Vainonen (a Nicklas Grossmann type with better foot speed).

Then there are the riskier, swing-for-the-fences types with higher offensive and/or physical upside but greater potential to miss the mark entirely. The two big names here are Matt Dumba and Slater Koekkoek, with the next step down being Derrick Pouliot and Dalton Thrower. Sleeper types who fit this profile include Jordan Schmaltz and Esa Lindell.

- bmeltzer

any chance koekoek is available at 20?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
it's a verified account. looking at the replies he gets, i'm not sure why any celebrity/athlete would want a twitter account.
- aightwebang17


you're sensitive aren't you, sir?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
any chance koekoek is available at 20?
- aightwebang17


yes
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
you're sensitive aren't you, sir?
- OrangeBlack27

yes, comes from my mother's side of the family.
bigmookalookie
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mookie you are a wing nut, In , LS
Joined: 02.27.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:29 PM ET
hahahaha hes a (frank)ing riot

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JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 21 @ 2:29 PM ET
Lol, ill wait until I hit the academy in late jul altho i have been oc sprayed
- bigmookalookie

oc is for sissies, that F%*^()&(&)*(&&%&$% tear gas chamber in basic was a m(^*&^$%&$^&$%$&^ wait I think you had both too iirc
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