#1 pairing defense men are hard to come by. Especially when they are 6'4" 236lb first round picks that are only 24 years old. I wouldnt even trade him for pronger if he was healthy.

Not serious injuries, unlucky ones. Like when he dove to block a shot and it broke his foot. He has atleast shown some heart
- Richieattack18

Not going to mention his concussion or how close his was to hip surgery last week? Unlucky or not, injuries are injuries.

Besides, the guy could have all the heart in the world, but it's pretty much useless if he's not playing.

#1 pairing defense men are hard to come by. Especially when they are 6'4" 236lb first round picks that are only 24 years old. I wouldnt even trade him for pronger if he was healthy.
- _AVZ_

EJ could def turn into a Weber type. Plus you guys are deeply invested into him. JVR is good and all. And the Avs could use a quality pwr forward. But JVR seems to always have something wrong with him.

Not serious injuries, unlucky ones. Like when he dove to block a shot and it broke his foot. He has atleast shown some heart
- Richieattack18

concussion, and something to do with his hip

why would a team risk trading a quality dman for a guy who maybe going to the other team already injured?

Philly isnt gonna trade Schenn. He is theyre 2nd line center next year. He had a stellar playoffs. He and Couturier are gonna be a beast of a combo behind Giroux and Hartnell.

Also after giving up way to much to get EJ. Avs better hold onto him and develop him. You guys could use JVR. But not for EJ. Not saying either team gets the upper hand or anything. But the Avs are deeply invested in him.
- poisondhearts37

wtf?

Our third line next year is likely Schenn-Couterier-Read.

You guys think Johnson is THAT much more valuable then JVR? Sorry, just because you paid a hefty price for him doesn't mean another team will. I agree, you guys should keep him. You won't get a great return for him, because he's not well enough established yet.

He's no more valuable then JVR, and anyone that disagrees needs to get a clue. I haven't seen one accurate post about JVR this entire thread.

JVR has improved greatly every single season he's been in the league and was on pace to do that again this year before 3 freak, totally un-related injuries. He's NOT injury prone. He couldn't have another year with as much bad luck as he had this year if he tried.

I'm not trying to put down Johnson either, cause i like him. His development has been stagnant almost his entire career. He did show improvement this year. He is a defensemen, yes. They generally take 300 NHL games to hit their stride.

It's just not the right situation for either team. No deal to be made.

concussion, and something to do with his hip

why would a team risk trading a quality dman for a guy who maybe going to the other team already injured?
- dmarsden2988

JvR is also very close to Laneskog. Only Landeskog is a better overall player. Left wing, power foward type player. Yup that's Landeskog.

Now if he were a RW that would be different.

wtf?

Our third line next year is likely Schenn-Couterier-Read.

You guys think Johnson is THAT much more valuable then JVR? Sorry, just because you paid a hefty price for him doesn't mean another team will. I agree, you guys should keep him. You won't get a great return for him, because he's not well enough established yet.

He's no more valuable then JVR, and anyone that disagrees needs to get a clue. I haven't seen one accurate post about JVR this entire thread.

JVR has improved greatly every single season he's been in the league and was on pace to do that again this year before 3 freak, totally un-related injuries. He's NOT injury prone. He couldn't have another year with as much bad luck as he had this year if he tried.

I'm not trying to put down Johnson either, cause i like him. His development has been stagnant almost his entire career. He did show improvement this year. He is a defensemen, yes. They generally take 300 NHL games to hit their stride.

It's just not the right situation for either team. No deal to be made.
- mochoson

the whole 3 pretty serious injuries in 1 season sure wont help buyers say well we are confident that he can stay healthy

Hahaha just cause you guys overpaid to get johnson doesn't mean we're going to compensate for your mistake. Jvr and a pick for Johnson, that's about as far as it goes. You wont see jvr AND schenn moved for anything less than a weber-esque dman

And why in the hell the AVS would trade their best defenceman for?? Is Suter coming to CO?

Col: JVR, Schen, rights to Carle
Phil: Johnson and a pick

im not the biggest Johnson fan but this is the only way i make this trade. JVR has to many question marks with him. and if we did this trade we would have to send big money to Suter in hopes to sign him so we could get a top 2 Dman.
- jonathonpeddle

In fantasy land....that would be an offer for a Shea Weber type....not Johnson.

Hahaha just cause you guys overpaid to get johnson doesn't mean we're going to compensate for your mistake. Jvr and a pick for Johnson, that's about as far as it goes. You wont see jvr AND schenn moved for anything less than a weber-esque dman
- TypicalCat18

Erik Jonhson is worth more than he did a year ago, It's a fact my friend.

Col: JVR, Schen, rights to Carle
Phil: Johnson and a pick

im not the biggest Johnson fan but this is the only way i make this trade. JVR has to many question marks with him. and if we did this trade we would have to send big money to Suter in hopes to sign him so we could get a top 2 Dman.
- jonathonpeddle

In fantasy land....that would be an offer for a Shea Weber type....not Johnson.

wtf?

Our third line next year is likely Schenn-Couterier-Read.

You guys think Johnson is THAT much more valuable then JVR? Sorry, just because you paid a hefty price for him doesn't mean another team will. I agree, you guys should keep him. You won't get a great return for him, because he's not well enough established yet.

He's no more valuable then JVR, and anyone that disagrees needs to get a clue. I haven't seen one accurate post about JVR this entire thread.

JVR has improved greatly every single season he's been in the league and was on pace to do that again this year before 3 freak, totally un-related injuries. He's NOT injury prone. He couldn't have another year with as much bad luck as he had this year if he tried.

I'm not trying to put down Johnson either, cause i like him. His development has been stagnant almost his entire career. He did show improvement this year. He is a defensemen, yes. They generally take 300 NHL games to hit their stride.

It's just not the right situation for either team. No deal to be made.
- mochoson

defense wins championships.

In fantasy land....that would be an offer for a Shea Weber type....not Johnson.
- landros 2

even in fantasy land dont think it gets weber this year

the whole 3 pretty serious injuries in 1 season sure wont help buyers say well we are confident that he can stay healthy
- dmarsden2988

Any player can get hit with a slap-shot blocking a shot and break their foot. Has nothing to do with JVR (which is ironic, because so many people love to say JVR doesn't hit/contribute defensively, block shots, etc. he broke his foot blocking a shot)

He's over his concussion. Nothing injury-related will bring down his value. Period.

defense wins championships.
- Drij

Ok?

while i agree that jvr isn't enough to fetch EJ, this jvr-schenn-carle stuff is total nonsense. that would be a MASSIVE overpayment

There is really no point in bickering about value. Regardless of what Philly fans think, EJ's value is more to us than JVR alone especially with his question marks. And it's a lot more than adding some late first rounder or something like that to JVR.

The team trying to acquire a player like EJ has to match the value that the organization places on their player. Not what the NHL fan base thinks that player is worth.

EJ is a core player on defense for us pure and simple and it would be stupid to trade him. Defense isn't a weakness for us but specifically top pairing defense is not something we have in spades.

Even with all of the puck moving defenders running around not a lot of them have the size like guys like Weber, Pronger, and Chara. EJ does have that kind of size and he does have that kind of potential.

So say what you want but EJ's potential and size make him UNTOUCHABLE. He has also been able to demonstrate that type of talent level on the ice. He maybe young and inconsistent right now but we would be stupid not to be patient with him.

Why do you think that Toronto won't give up on L. Schenn that easily even though hes had a horrible year?

while i agree that jvr isn't enough to fetch EJ, this jvr-schenn-carle stuff is total nonsense. that would be a MASSIVE overpayment
- FlyerMike18

A MASSIVE over payment is exactly what it would take.

In fantasy land....that would be an offer for a Shea Weber type....not Johnson.
- landros 2

wouldnt be a very good offer for a Weber type, you would need a couple more players to land the best D-man in the league.

There is really no point in bickering about value. Regardless of what Philly fans think, EJ's value is more to us than JVR alone especially with his question marks. And it's a lot more than adding some late first rounder or something like that to JVR.

The team trying to acquire a player like EJ has to match the value that the organization places on their player. Not what the NHL fan base thinks that player is worth.

EJ is a core player on defense for us pure and simple and it would be stupid to trade him. Defense isn't a weakness for us but specifically top pairing defense is not something we have in spades.

Even with all of the puck moving defenders running around not a lot of them have the size like guys like Weber, Pronger, and Chara. EJ does have that kind of size and he does have that kind of potential.

So say what you want but EJ's potential and size make him UNTOUCHABLE. He has also been able to demonstrate that type of talent level on the ice. He maybe young and inconsistent right now but we would be stupid not to be patient with him.

Why do you think that Toronto won't give up on L. Schenn that easily even though hes had a horrible year?



A MASSIVE over payment is exactly what it would take.
- Steve-B

possibly true, if the organization feels the same way about johnson (which would make sense)

that doesn't mean that's what johnson is worth objectively. that's all i'm saying

Chris Stewart and Kevin Shattenkirk was not massive overpayment for Erik Johnson.. quite the steal for Colorado if you ask me. Would love to have EJ on the flyers.. what area(s) is Colorado looking to improve in?

Jvr, Mez, pick for EJ

wtf?

Our third line next year is likely Schenn-Couterier-Read.

You guys think Johnson is THAT much more valuable then JVR? Sorry, just because you paid a hefty price for him doesn't mean another team will. I agree, you guys should keep him. You won't get a great return for him, because he's not well enough established yet.

He's no more valuable then JVR, and anyone that disagrees needs to get a clue. I haven't seen one accurate post about JVR this entire thread.

JVR has improved greatly every single season he's been in the league and was on pace to do that again this year before 3 freak, totally un-related injuries. He's NOT injury prone. He couldn't have another year with as much bad luck as he had this year if he tried.

I'm not trying to put down Johnson either, cause i like him. His development has been stagnant almost his entire career. He did show improvement this year. He is a defensemen, yes. They generally take 300 NHL games to hit their stride.

It's just not the right situation for either team. No deal to be made.
- mochoson

Did you say EJ is no more valuable than JVR? Wow man

possibly true, if the organization feels the same way about johnson (which would make sense)

that doesn't mean that's what johnson is worth objectively. that's all i'm saying
- FlyerMike18

That's why EJ's value is so hard to judge and causes so much commotion. Ive literally watched games where EJ was just as dominant and as much of a game changer as Weber.

He became a lot more solid on a nightly basis in the second half of the season but he wasn't that game changing defender every night. At the beginning of the season he had a little bit of a chip on his shoulder but you could see as the season wore on he started to calm down and simplify his game.

I think he was trying to do to much early on because he wanted to be the captain of the team and prove that we were not going to be a lottery team. He spent his off-season in Colorado and was openly supporting the Varlamov trade in interviews. He is at his best when he is calm and focused on his game instead of trying to prove himself to everyone. That will come with more experience and seasoning..

It's interesting because as much as I am a Sacco hater he handled EJ pretty well. Instead of benching him he actually coached him. Although who knows if it was Sacco or Sly Lefebvre.

I do know that you don't move a young defender like EJ especially when you have seen what he is really capable of. It's not as if hes never shown us he can take over and control the pace of a game.

Hopefully hes finally started to calm down and forget that he has to prove why he was the #1 pick.

In no way shape or form do I trade Erik Johnson to the Flyers for JVR straight up. They need to add to this. Johnson is more important to Colorado and Philly than JVR would be to Colorado and Philly. Make it sting a bit more with the return and I'm not talking a fringe BS prospect or a second round pick.