Come on what ? Seems like a fair deal.
- Crispo98

It's not a fair deal at all. Your pretty much saying there is trade value to Gardiner's "friendship" with Schultz and that they can actually translate that into the number 1 overall pick in the draft. A trade has never and will never happened based on something stupid like that. If the Oilers actually did make that trade based on that they would be ridiculously dumb. Just because they were buddies in college doesn't mean jack squat. There are many friends, brothers etc. that play against each other. And more than likely they are friends with people on many other NHL teams.

....*continues catching up on the posts*.....
- LetsGoIsles

HAHAHA... Some of you fans are so hilarious... its painful...
- saskoil21

Explain...

Simply because Gards wasn't a top 5 pick?

Was Giroux a top 5 pick? No, but there's a good chance him in the middle of the first round will end up better than Nail at no. 1

every time they have asked Isles GM a question for past 6 months and I mean EVERY TIME... he siad Top Pairing d-man. Salary floor addressed already.
- niteislander

Isles Top priority 1.1

I agree D-Man is #1. Spending to the floor is right behind - and kind of contingent on allowing SOME NHL'er to hit he lottery.

Like I said.. the 4th is a prospect.. sometimes they don't work out.. scott Scissons? ... DeHaan has had 4 surgeries since we drafted him and has not played a full season yet... The 3rd.. who cares.

Gomez is what makes this deal done and would be much better option on bottom 2 lines than what we have now.. and a change of scenery may be what he needs.. who knows.. doesn't matter.. PK is the reason for the deal.

He is a Young, Extremely talented NHL d-man that would be on our back line for a long long time. There is no "maybe" , or "Possibly" about him.. 20 mins a game.. top pairing YOUNG d-man. it is a good deal for Isles who have zero shot and I mean ZERO shot of getting a UFA d-man to sign.
- niteislander

- you named 1 prospect that didnt flourish out of literally HUNDREDS of prospects that did...odds are the #4 pick will be playing in the NHL by the time his career is over.

- from hockeysfuture.com

2010-11: De Haan showed no ill effects from the shoulder injury that ended his previous year and was one of the top defenseman in junior hockey – both for the OHL Oshawa Generals and with Team Canada. As the team captain for Oshawa, de Haan was a steadying force on the back end while contributing 42 assists, tops among Oshawa defensemen. He also scored 6 goals with 48 PMs and was +13 for an Oshawa club that finished second in the East Division after missing the OHL playoffs in de Haan’s first two seasons. Playing for Team Canada at the 2011 World Junior U-20 tournament, de Haan was an assistant captain and was +2 with 5 assists in six games for the silver medal squad.

-- not to mention you are trading a defensive prospect, when in fact defense is exactly what we need to keep and not trade away

- remind me what round travis hamonic was drafted in...?

- but they do have a GREAT chance to DRAFT a d-man...unless you trade it away...

Man you finished 13th.. if you really think that's better, it isn't. You were still a long way from the playoffs AGAIN (7 year rebuild and counting, anyone?) and we got a better draft pick. Considering you guys were top 3 going into the all star break, I wouldn't really come back with being proud of finishing 2 places up on the Habs, which had their worst start to a season EVER.

Maybe you didn't, but everyone else in "leaf nation" had them making the playoffs FOR SURE. I think being in the playoffs for most of the last 7 years while you guys sat back and watched has entitled me to run my mouth all I want.
- Saundies

Yes. Absolutely making the playoffs means you can run your mouth. Hell, I know I would be talking some serious trash if the Leafs made the playoffs last year and got swept in the first round. That's hardcore.

And yes, everyone else in "Leafs nation" thought they were making the playoffs for sure.

I never said I was proud of finishing two places about Montreal. You were running your mouth about the Leafs and I asked you where your team finished in the standings. Go back and read the thread.

We overpaid for Kessel. Where has that gotten us other than putting the team several years behind? Sure Kessel is pure sniperage but I don't want us to get butt raped like that again.
- Kinger34

Overpaid not sure about that 6th in scoring with no real center

And with Kessel we know what we have

Leafs fans think it's a high cost. Oilers fans and Leafs haters think it's underpayment. This is why I don't see it happening.
- Kinger34

It is a high cost.

If Schultz is bound for whereever Gards plays then we feed them two Dmen, plus they still get a top 5 pick out of it...


And for what?...Nail? He'll be a sniper along the lines of Kessel, probably a bit more productive but it's hard to say.

Either way, he's not a no. 1 centre we need, and it's hard to imagine him being a franchise player at any point

Explain...

Simply because Gards wasn't a top 5 pick?

Was Giroux a top 5 pick? No, but there's a good chance him in the middle of the first round will end up better than Nail at no. 1
- AngryWhiteMale

The debate could be made whether or not Gardiner is worth the 1st overall pick. But any conversations which his "friendship" with Schultz somehow adds to his actual trade value is absurd. No GM in the NHL would actually attach ANY real value to that.

You're talking like either GM gives a FLYING FUK what any of us think !



- .HOHO.

You're right, they don't.

Go ahead man. I know it's really hard for an Isles fan to understand but some team's actually have extra money to spend.

No matter what happens with Gomez, he's going to have to pay him anyway. Buy out, burying him in Hamilton, Europe etc. I guarentee Molson would rather pay Gomez 7.5 mil to not play then to get rid of his contract, along with PK Subban for a 4th overall pick.

Logical, no?
- Saundies

not if you can turn that 7.5 and use it toward a suter....

end of the day end up with suter + #4 as opposed to pk and gomez...thats a good trade off.

who in their right mind has money to throw away? and 7.5 MILLION?!?!? are you serious????

Meh I really don't like the idea of simply 'moving up'.

I'd rather keep the 5th, and somehow use other pieces, like Grabs, Reimer and Schenn to pry away no. 2 so we have two blue chippers along with a starter 8in Lu for next season.

I just don't see 'moving up' getting us anywhere as it'd cost too much, and I'm not convinced there's much improvement from 2nd to 5th, it's a real toss up
- AngryWhiteMale

B-Cuz I just Think Galchenyuk is the best player in the draft sure you can disagree with me but how many time do you have a chance to draft a big skilled center so that's why i would make that move without hesitation

It is a high cost.

If Schultz is bound for whereever Gards plays then we feed them two Dmen, plus they still get a top 5 pick out of it...


And for what?...Nail? He'll be a sniper along the lines of Kessel, probably a bit more productive but it's hard to say.

Either way, he's not a no. 1 centre we need, and it's hard to imagine him being a franchise player at any point
- AngryWhiteMale

But Schultz doesn't belong to the Leafs so it doesn't matter right?

I agree on your thoughts on Nail. Great to have - absolutely. The solution to all of the woes of Leafland - not a chance.

Overpaid not sure about that 6th in scoring with no real center

And with Kessel we know what we have
- Kuleminator

I don't think that Seguin, one for one, is a huge inmprovement over Kessel.

We can't quantify how the players around Seguin and the winning environment would impact his performance.

Would he have lit it up in TOR?

For what it's worth there aren't many players like Kessel who have 4 30g seasons under their belt before the age of 25. He's lived up to his end of the deal.

It's not his fault the goaltending has been an embarassment

The debate could be made whether or not Gardiner is worth the 1st overall pick. But any conversations which his "friendship" with Schultz somehow adds to his actual trade value is absurd. No GM in the NHL would actually attach ANY real value to that.
- The-O-G

Ok ok I agree, that's a bit outlandish.

Regardless, I don't remember Sens fans wetting themselves when Karlsson was taken at 15th(16th?) one spot ahead of Colborne and 2 ahead of Gardiner.

I'm not interested in quantifying vlaue for guys in their early twenties by attaching a draft order they fell into.

Gards won't be a Karlsson, but he's not getting respect

I don't think that Seguin, one for one, is a huge inmprovement over Kessel.

We can't quantify how the players around Seguin and the winning environment would impact his performance.

Would he have lit it up in TOR?

For what it's worth there aren't many players like Kessel who have 4 30g seasons under their belt before the age of 25. He's lived up to his end of the deal.

It's not his fault the goaltending has been an embarassment
- AngryWhiteMale

i agree hope we can find a way to draft a goalie this year

Dansk,Subban or Vasilevski would be great

Draft shaping up now:

1.Toronto - Yak
2.Toronto - Galchenyuk
3.Toronto - Murray
4.Toronto - Forsberg
5.Toronto - Dumba

so when do you guys trade Miller for Pat Kane
- Kuleminator

Who knows, I'm not in Toronto fantasy land.

- you named 1 prospect that didnt flourish out of literally HUNDREDS of prospects that did...odds are the #4 pick will be playing in the NHL by the time his career is over.

- from hockeysfuture.com -- not to mention you are trading a defensive prospect, when in fact defense is exactly what we need to keep and not trade away

- remind me what round travis hamonic was drafted in...?

- but they do have a GREAT chance to DRAFT a d-man...unless you trade it away...
- LetsGoIsles

you are missing quite a few of my points.. yes we are trading a D-prospect.. for a LEGITIMATE top pairing d-man.
Yes.. DeHaan seems to be ok after his shoulder surgery.... HIS 4TH in 5 years.

Hamonic was in fact a late second round pick... we will still have an early second round pick..

Yes u have a OK chance at getting an NHL player with the 4th pick... or u could get guys like Pavel Brendl, Thomas Hickey, Nikolai Zherdev, Chad Kilger... etc. They were all 4th picks... none were exactly world beaters.

I guess our disconnect is PK Subban and how u feel about him... I think he is a friggin stud.

i agree hope we can find a way to draft a goalie this year

Dansk,Subban or Vasilevski would be great
- Kuleminator

Dansk would be a very nice way to use our 35th overall if we still have it

Draft shaping up now:

1.Toronto - Yak
2.Toronto - Galchenyuk
3.Toronto - Murray
4.Toronto - Forsberg
5.Toronto - Dumba
- Cape Breton Bruins

Don't forget we are adding Luongo for Komisarek.

I've also heard rumours of a major Leafs-Pens swap. Scrivens, Kadri, next year's 1st, and one of Brian Burke's ties for Sydney Crosby and Jordan Staal.

Draft shaping up now:

1.Toronto - Yak
2.Toronto - Galchenyuk
3.Toronto - Murray
4.Toronto - Forsberg
5.Toronto - Dumba
- Cape Breton Bruins

Thanks for the insight.

Draft shaping up now:

1.Toronto - Yak
2.Toronto - Galchenyuk
3.Toronto - Murray
4.Toronto - Forsberg
5.Toronto - Dumba
- Cape Breton Bruins

you forgot 6. Reinhart

Thanks for the insight.
- AngryWhiteMale

Burke is worth his weight in gold.

Dansk would be a very nice way to use our 35th overall if we still have it
- AngryWhiteMale

i know but i'm scare Columbus would take him around 31 so Burke would have to be creative