You're the reason it wasn't 100%
- laughs2907

does this sound better... if the pens trade staal, I would love to have gagner as a Third center (I know they have 2 of the top 5 centers in the league, but still).. most teams that are contenders would love to have him as their third. but most competitors for the cup would be uncomfortable with him as a 2nd..
but the most I'd give for him would be a number 2 pick a prospect d not named morrow, harrington or despres. which you shouldn't take. keep him and cross your fingers.. but don't expect a high end asset for what the rest of the league see as middle of the ground asset

just ill informed i guess
- ALEDDO

Is that the going rate for a borderline 2nd line center these days? I know he's only 22 or 23 but he's had 5 full seasons in the NHL now and hasn't even managed to hit 50 points.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think Bozak is worth?

Oh, but they are.

Most of these kids will be in the NHL much sooner rather then later ala the '08 draft, a comparable year in terms of the number of defensmen with high end potential.
- mochoson

see people? how hard is it to back up your poop with actual facts? ok i concede that MAYBE, they could play in two years, i dont think either of them are playing next year.

thing is flames lack a center like horcoff. A defensive minded center that wins faceoffs.

So he has some value. but they'll have to really sweeten the pot to eat up his contract for 3 yrs since Jbo's is only 2 more (so not as bad as it seems)

(I feel dirty saying clouts isn't far off)
- numbear

...and you should.

Hockeydb.com both players stats.....

Really? Blows him out of the water? The two might as well be twins in every single facet of their career thus far. They play essentially the exact same game to. Might wanna take a little more then 30 seconds to think something like this over.
- mochoson

all around game can;t be judged only by stats... ask 29 temas in the league, and they take weiss each time.

all around game can;t be judged only by stats... ask 29 temas in the league, and they take weiss each time.
- ChrisMS

did you? thats awesome you have connections to all 29 teams in the league, are you a hockey insider?

lol there was no sense discussing it in the first place, but hey lets make a homophobic joke just because you were wrong. If im blind please tell me which of the FACTS that i stated were incorrect?
- ALEDDO

No one said anything homophobic. I was pointing out you are blinded by your like of the player.
Why is it impossible to have a decent debate of a value of a player without people like you going off the deep end? I wasn't making fun of gagner or saying he was a bad player. I just said his value is closer to 20th overall, not 8th. Grow up.

Is that the going rate for a borderline 2nd line center these days? I know he's only 22 or 23 but he's had 5 full seasons in the NHL now and hasn't even managed to hit 50 points.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think Bozak is worth?
- Jeffmt

He's not an oiler...so like a 5th rounder.

Did/Do you ride the short bus?
- Oilersforlife

beats getting sticky on the oiler train that leaves this station

No said anything homophobic. I was pointing out you are blinded by your like of the player.
Why is it impossible to have a decent debate of a value of a player without people like you going off the deep end? I wasn't making fun of gagner or saying he was a bad player. I just said his value is closer to 20th overall, not 8th. Grow up.
- clarkysduster

Then you are wrong, thats all there is to it. Telling me i have a crush on a player because i was right isnt really what one would consider a "decent debate"

did you? thats awesome you have connections to all 29 teams in the league, are you a hockey insider?
- ALEDDO

yes sir... obviously I am

Then you are wrong, thats all there is to it. Telling me i have a crush on a player because i was right isnt really what one would consider a "decent debate"
- ALEDDO

its another way to say you're overvaluing a player, which i think you are.

Is that the going rate for a borderline 2nd line center these days? I know he's only 22 or 23 but he's had 5 full seasons in the NHL now and hasn't even managed to hit 50 points.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think Bozak is worth?
- Jeffmt

i wouldnt care to guess what he is worth, because unlike other people im not gonna spout of poop about players i dont get to see much.

Then you are wrong, thats all there is to it. Telling me i have a crush on a player because i was right isnt really what one would consider a "decent debate"
- ALEDDO

and I'm wrong about a mid first and you're right about the 8th? i didn't realize you were a pro scout/gm. my bad.

its another way to say you're overvaluing a player, which i think you are.
- clarkysduster

Im glad you think that, but as we already clarified pretty much everything you think is wrong.

and I'm wrong about a mid first and you're right about the 8th? i didn't realize you were a pro scout/gm. my bad.
- clarkysduster

its not about being a pro scout/gm, its about common sense.

Im glad you think that, but as we already clarified pretty much everything you think is wrong.
- ALEDDO

I don't even know why we're discussing this. It's not going to happen in a million years.

Bye!

I don't even know why we're discussing this. It's not going to happen in a million years.

Bye!
- clarkysduster

I'm glad you finally agree with me

He's not an oiler...so like a 5th rounder.
- clarkysduster

STFU

its not about being a pro scout/gm, its about common sense.
- ALEDDO

Common sense would dictate that after five sub 50 point seasons, you've got a 40-60 point player, a small one at that. I can't remember the last time a team intentionally traded a top 10 pick for a player of that caliber.

Horcoff, 2013 2nd round & Davidson for Jbo should get it done and Clouts wont rip feaster for 2 weeks..

see people? how hard is it to back up your poop with actual facts? ok i concede that MAYBE, they could play in two years, i dont think either of them are playing next year.
- ALEDDO

Yakupov could conceivably be the only player from this entire draft in the NHL next year.

Horcoff, 2013 2nd round & Davidson for Jbo should get it done and Clouts wont rip feaster for 2 weeks..
- TheDyingOilerFan

I always thought clouts ripped feaster like a boy picks on a girl he likes in elementary school....

Common sense would dictate that after five sub 50 point seasons, you've got a 40-60 point player, a small one at that. I can't remember the last time a team intentionally traded a top 10 pick for a player of that caliber.
- Jeffmt

If Phil Kessel is worth two lottery picks and and 2nd rounder then logic says Gagner is worth one lottery pick.

If Phil Kessel is worth two lottery picks and and 2nd rounder then logic says Gagner is worth one lottery pick.
- Starbuck

careful using burke logic on your own players... what if it rubs off on the team!?!?!