I understand that. My example was to show that a players' value can be estimated. The statement "you have no idea what his value is" is pointless because it applies to everyone here. It adds nothing to the discussion.
- Leafs43

Here's a list of past players taken at #8. Do these guys really blow Gagner out of the water?

1998 8th overall ~ Mark Bell
1999 8th overall ~ Taylor Pyatt
2000 8th overall ~ Nikita Alexeev
2001 8th overall ~ Pascal Leclaire
2002 8th overall ~ Pierre-Marc Bouchard
2003 8th overall ~ Braydon Coburn
2004 8th overall ~ Alexandre Picard
2005 8th overall ~ Devin Setoguchi
2006 8th overall ~ Peter Mueller
2007 8th overall ~ Zach Hamill
2008 8th overall ~ Mikkel Boedker
2009 8th overall ~ Scott Glennie
2010 8th overall ~ Alex Burmistrov
2011 8th overall ~ Sean Couturier

Here's a list of past players taken at #8. Do these guys really blow Gagner out of the water?

1998 8th overall ~ Mark Bell
1999 8th overall ~ Taylor Pyatt
2000 8th overall ~ Nikita Alexeev
2001 8th overall ~ Pascal Leclaire
2002 8th overall ~ Pierre-Marc Bouchard
2003 8th overall ~ Braydon Coburn
2004 8th overall ~ Alexandre Picard
2005 8th overall ~ Devin Setoguchi
2006 8th overall ~ Peter Mueller
2007 8th overall ~ Zach Hamill
2008 8th overall ~ Mikkel Boedker
2009 8th overall ~ Scott Glennie
2010 8th overall ~ Alex Burmistrov
2011 8th overall ~ Sean Couturier
- laughs2907

Lol something funny i dug up, 1997 8th overall pick was Sergei Samsonov who was traded to the oilers for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny, and a second round pick in the 2006 NHL entry draft (Milan Lucic). How many times have i seen on these boards people wishing we had Lucic

Here's a list of past players taken at #8. Do these guys really blow Gagner out of the water?

1998 8th overall ~ Mark Bell
1999 8th overall ~ Taylor Pyatt
2000 8th overall ~ Nikita Alexeev
2001 8th overall ~ Pascal Leclaire
2002 8th overall ~ Pierre-Marc Bouchard
2003 8th overall ~ Braydon Coburn
2004 8th overall ~ Alexandre Picard
2005 8th overall ~ Devin Setoguchi
2006 8th overall ~ Peter Mueller
2007 8th overall ~ Zach Hamill
2008 8th overall ~ Mikkel Boedker
2009 8th overall ~ Scott Glennie
2010 8th overall ~ Alex Burmistrov
2011 8th overall ~ Sean Couturier
- laughs2907

Well when ya put it that way, it looks to me like 12 out of the 14 on that list aren't worth gagner. Guess we will see in 4 days what happens. I like sammy and dont wanna see him go, but if it gets someone a lil bigger and that can play with yaks, well then bye bye sammy.

Here's a list of past players taken at #8. To suggest that Gagner could never fetch an 8th overall pick is crazy.

1998 8th overall ~ Mark Bell
1999 8th overall ~ Taylor Pyatt
2000 8th overall ~ Nikita Alexeev
2001 8th overall ~ Pascal Leclaire
2002 8th overall ~ Pierre-Marc Bouchard
2003 8th overall ~ Braydon Coburn
2004 8th overall ~ Alexandre Picard
2005 8th overall ~ Devin Setoguchi
2006 8th overall ~ Peter Mueller
2007 8th overall ~ Zach Hamill
2008 8th overall ~ Mikkel Boedker
2009 8th overall ~ Scott Glennie
2010 8th overall ~ Alex Burmistrov
2011 8th overall ~ Sean Couturier
- laughs2907

Well now we are back to the discussion of whether it would be smart to trade Gagner, as opposed to whether he holds enough value to get the #8. The fact is, that 8th overall pick holds quite a bit of value, whether it is warranted or not.

Well now we are back to the discussion of whether it would be smart to trade Gagner, as opposed to whether he holds enough value to get the #8. The fact is, that 8th overall pick holds quite a bit of value, whether it is warranted or not.
- Leafs43

Which brings me back to my point. They probably won't get an 8th because some teams may be hoping to hit one out of the park... But looking at that list, it's clear that Gagner is actually worth an 8th. Saying that Gagner could fetch an 8th isn't far fetched at all... To come out and say that he couldn't fetch an 8th overall is ridiculous.

Which brings me back to my point. They probably won't get an 8th because some teams may be hoping to hit one out of the park... But looking at that list, it's clear that Gagner is actually worth an 8th. Saying that Gagner could fetch an 8th isn't far fetched at all... To come out and say that he couldn't fetch an 8th overall is ridiculous.
- laughs2907

Our fanbases opinion of his worth is kind of irrelevant. What is relevant is NHL GMs opinions of Gagner's worth, which is likely not a top 10 pick, ergo, he isn't worth that.

Like I said, it probably wouldn't be in our best interest to do the trade anyways, not from some misplaced sense of egotism, but because we have no one remotely capable of stepping into his position. It leaves us painfully thin at center, while not guaranteeing any defensive help. Not a trade hat helps Edmonton at this particular time.

- ruttager17

Which brings me back to my point. They probably won't get an 8th because some teams may be hoping to hit one out of the park... But looking at that list, it's clear that Gagner is actually worth an 8th. Saying that Gagner could fetch an 8th isn't far fetched at all... To come out and say that he couldn't fetch an 8th overall is ridiculous.
- laughs2907

Alright. Well I guess agree to disagree. Because if players like Gagner could be traded for top ten picks, it would happen a lot more often i would think.

Alright. Well I guess agree to disagree. Because if players like Gagner could be traded for top ten picks, it would happen a lot more often i would think.
- Leafs43

Why? The pick in question is #8... Look at the list I posted. Gagner is better than most of those guys.

An 8th overall pick is not as valuable as people seem to think.

Why? The pick in question is #8... Look at the list I posted. Gagner is better than most of those guys.
- laughs2907

As long as you are smart about drafting, you can find quality players at 8. Last year, Couturier, Hamilton, or Murphy could all have been had at 8 (and it was conceivable that they could have/should have gone there)

in 2010, Fowler, or Gormley could have been had. (Again, considering they were top 5 projected, not crazy to think that they could have/should have been taken)

2009 Cowen, MPS, same story.

2008 Myers and Hodgson were available. With Myers being top 5 projected.

You see my point, the talent is there at 8, many which are top 5 projected and you just have to take them.

As long as you are smart about drafting, you can find quality players at 8. Last year, Couturier, Hamilton, or Murphy could all have been had at 8 (and it was conceivable that they could have/should have gone there)

in 2010, Fowler, or Gormley could have been had. (Again, considering they were top 5 projected, not crazy to think that they could have/should have been taken)

2009 Cowen, MPS, same story.

2008 Myers and Hodgson were available. With Myers being top 5 projected.

You see my point, the talent is there at 8, many which are top 5 projected and you just have to take them.
- Leafs43

You could make that argument about a 50th overall pick as well.

This again?

You could make that argument about a 50th overall pick as well.
- laughs2907

I understand that. But I was more referring to the players who were projected high and fell. The point is, an 18 year old who is chosen 8th has more value at the time he is drafted than Gagner does. Atleast thats the way I see it. Teams and GM's put a lot of value in potential, and 18 year olds drafted 8th overall have plenty of it.

I understand that. But I was more referring to the players who were projected high and fell. The point is, an 18 year old who is chosen 8th has more value at the time he is drafted than Gagner does. Atleast thats the way I see it. Teams and GM's put a lot of value in potential, and 18 year olds drafted 8th overall have plenty of it.
- Leafs43

I agree that they have plenty of potential, but I disagree that they automatically have more potential than Gagner. Either way, we'll have to agree to disagree.

I agree that they have plenty of potential, but I disagree that they automatically have more potential than Gagner. Either way, we'll have to agree to disagree.
- laughs2907

(frank) that...kick that Leaf in the Twig.

God I want this draft over. The reek of stupid in our threads lately is overwhelming.

1.Gagner will not get the 8th overall.

2.I don't want JBo. At all. Not even for Horcoff.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Given the Oilers needs, I'd rather waste money on an overpaid defenseman than an overpaid forward. Not that I think Feaster would accept, but I'd trade Horcoff for Bouwmeester in a heartbeat.

Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey
Oilers are praying they can get another top 10 pick. They are close. If so, kiss Paajarvi and/or Hemsky goodbye. @NHL_Oilers

Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey
Oilers are praying they can get another top 10 pick. They are close. If so, kiss Paajarvi and/or Hemsky goodbye. @NHL_Oilers
- njhockey27

This guy sounds like the new treenasoil...throw enough sh!t at the wall and something will finally stick.

Given the Oilers needs, I'd rather waste money on an overpaid defenseman than an overpaid forward. Not that I think Feaster would accept, but I'd trade Horcoff for Bouwmeester in a heartbeat.
- Jeffmt

Agreed.

Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey
Oilers are praying they can get another top 10 pick. They are close. If so, kiss Paajarvi and/or Hemsky goodbye. @NHL_Oilers
- njhockey27

This guy also said Vancouver is interested in Lombardi and Armstrong.

Paajarvi and Hemsky for another top 10 pick in this particular draft is laughable. I think treenasoil is more reliable.

Given the Oilers needs, I'd rather waste money on an overpaid defenseman than an overpaid forward. Not that I think Feaster would accept, but I'd trade Horcoff for Bouwmeester in a heartbeat.
- Jeffmt

In conversing with prock a page or two ago I said I had re-thought it and yes, JBo would be more useful but Calgary would never do that trade.

This guy also said Vancouver is interested in Lombardi and Armstrong.

Paajarvi and Hemsky for another top 10 pick in this particular draft is laughable. I think treenasoil is more reliable.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Judging by the comments on this site, Paajarvi's value should be somewhere around a 6th round pick? We'll most likely have to add Hall and Eberle plus our 1st overall to get that 8th overall pick.

Judging by the comments on this site, Paajarvi's value should be somewhere around a 6th round pick? We'll most likely have to add Hall and Eberle plus our 1st overall to get that 8th overall pick.
- laughs2907

They need D also so add in Petry and Smid.

This guy also said Vancouver is interested in Lombardi and Armstrong.

Paajarvi and Hemsky for another top 10 pick in this particular draft is laughable. I think treenasoil is more reliable.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I saw that. I didn't see any part about it being Vancouver. I think it's believable with how bad FA is.