Rental? Who says? He wants to be a top center why wouldn't he resign. It's not the trade deadline either. He's that good!!! More to hockey than just points. I wouldn't trade Staal for the #8 pick alone and most people who have followed Staal's career will agree.
- lloyd095

Bob McKenzie says... "Being a year from UFA means he is driving the bus". No team trading for him is assuming he is re-signing just because they give him the 1C. Look at Parise or Suter. He will test the market and sign where he wants.

We'll have to agree to disagree then, but from what I've seen of Faulk, he's a stud and Morrow is yet to play in the NHL. There's still a lot more risk in him.
- rmdevil313

Remind me ... you foaming at the mouth over Yakupov? He hasn't played a single minute in the NHL either.

Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey
"I have heard a ton recently regarding @pghpenguins and Jordan Staal, some reports contradictory to others. I don't think he's moved."

"However, the @nhl_canes are after Staal hard. Package may be enticing enough, but includes 1st rounder. Canes reluctant to include that pick"

Remind me ... you foaming at the mouth over Yakupov? He hasn't played a single minute in the NHL either.
- Oneonta Penguin

Nope, but trading the #1 overall is a whole different story.

Nope, but trading the #1 overall is a whole different story.
- rmdevil313

If its Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin - I agree. This kid isn't.

If its Malkin, Crosby, Ovechkin - I agree. This kid isn't.
- Oneonta Penguin

You have to treat the first overall as an established asset. If the player picked develops even near his potential the fanbase will most likely be very upset, unless you pull in a great return.

You have to treat the first overall as an established asset. If the player picked develops even near his potential the fanbase will most likely be very upset, unless you pull in a great return.
- rmdevil313

That is a big IF. He could easily be the next Pavel Brendl too.

“They’re gonna make a real big deal, a real big effort to try to get Jordan Staal who may be agreeable to signing with Carolina long term once July 1 hits. But look, I can tell you, the Penguins are under, they are totally confident in the approach, of letting Staal play out this year because they believe that they have a team that can go and contend for a championship and they’ll try to sign him during the season. If it doesn’t come to that, the ultimate risk is you took one more crack with those big three and it didn’t get done, Staal hits free agency. That’s just a risk they’re willing to take.”

I agree with this. I've heard suggestions of thinking long-term - which is foolish. imo, the Pens are in a full win-now mode. You (Shero) have arguably the two best players in the world - Crosby and Malkin- and a strong supporting cast.

Thinking long-term will just leave the Pens looking like the Sharks - lots of success, but very little to show. Staal's departure wouldn't be as gloomy after a Stanley Cup.

That is a big IF. He could easily be the next Pavel Brendl too.
- Oneonta Penguin

I think you treat it as a solid asset insofar as it's most likely that he becomes a solid player, and maybe slightly more likely he becomes a star than it is that he busts.

I agree with this. I've heard suggestions of thinking long-term - which is foolish. imo, the Pens are in a full win-now mode. You (Shero) have arguably the two best players in the world - Crosby and Malkin- and a strong supporting cast.

Thinking long-term will just leave the Pens looking like the Sharks - lots of success, but very little to show. Staal's departure wouldn't be as gloomy after a Stanley Cup.
- TheRollingPuck

You act like the deal in this rumor is Staal for a few prospects and picks. Both Sutter and Faulk are NHL caliber players, with Sutter being proven. Plus, the reduction in salary would let us go after a top 6 winger.

That is a big IF. He could easily be the next Pavel Brendl too.
- Oneonta Penguin

I would say there's a chance, but a far greater chance he reaches his potential. And if that happens, it really just falls on the player (unless the coach kills his development all together). It could be injuries or he simply doesn't develop, but the fans/media can't really get mad at management for that especially when they have already taken Nuge, whois excelling, Eberle is a stud (although not #1 overall), and Hall seems to be doing well aside from injuries. Its more of an anomoly.

Why are we talking about this again?

I agree with this. I've heard suggestions of thinking long-term - which is foolish. imo, the Pens are in a full win-now mode. You (Shero) have arguably the two best players in the world - Crosby and Malkin- and a strong supporting cast.

Thinking long-term will just leave the Pens looking like the Sharks - lots of success, but very little to show. Staal's departure wouldn't be as gloomy after a Stanley Cup.
- TheRollingPuck

I think the Sharks have very often been in win now mode. They trade picks, prospects and young players for established players very often.

You act like the deal in this rumor is Staal for a few prospects and picks. Both Sutter and Faulk are NHL caliber players, with Sutter being proven. Plus, the reduction in salary would let us go after a top 6 winger.
- cap1681

Sorry. My response wasn't to the deal being discussed. Just the notion of long-term being more important than short-term.

The deal itself is actually pretty good.

I think the Sharks have very often been in win now mode. They trade picks, prospects and young players for established players very often.
- rmdevil313

My bad, perhaps the Caps are a better example.

This deal looks good to me. Pens get a solid replacement in sutter, a decent player in falk, drop Martins contract and get the 8th pick of the draft.

This deal looks good to me. Pens get a solid replacement in sutter, a decent player in falk, drop Martins contract and get the 8th pick of the draft.
- drummer829

I think Faulk could end up being the best player in that trade. The 2nd best part about that trade is that you drop Martin. If the Pens could swing that trade, I think they win it.

The deal i want to see done is this, and it's been nowhere, just sounds logical:

Martin and a conditional 2013 2nd round pick to Minny for Clutterbuck (condition on whether Clutterbuck signs extention.)

Sorry. My response wasn't to the deal being discussed. Just the notion of long-term being more important than short-term.

The deal itself is actually pretty good.




My bad, perhaps the Caps are a better example.
- TheRollingPuck

The caps are probably a better example. Also feel like its been a while since Dallas has tried to make a major move.

I think Faulk could end up being the best player in that trade. The 2nd best part about that trade is that you drop Martin. If the Pens could swing that trade, I think they win it.
- Morris

I don't know too much about Faulk. Is he more of a defensive d-man, or an all around d-man?

I don't know too much about Faulk. Is he more of a defensive d-man, or an all around d-man?
- cap1681

All-around to responsible-offensive. He skates really well. He's pretty physical, but he's not like a Phaneuf type, more like a smaller P.K. Subban.

This deal looks good to me. Pens get a solid replacement in sutter, a decent player in falk, drop Martins contract and get the 8th pick of the draft.
- drummer829

I find it hard to believe Carolina would do this deal.

I find it hard to believe Carolina would do this deal.
- Oneonta Penguin

I can't see them both giving up Faulk and taking on Martin, but Carolina and the Pens are a good fit - Sutter could fill the 3rd line role and a #8 pick might not be as "untouchable" as some higher picks.

Sutter + 8th + _____ for Staal (+ ___??) could be the start of a reasonable deal for both sides.

I find it hard to believe Carolina would do this deal.
- Oneonta Penguin

I decided to stop making deals bc u yell at me

But someone takes martin from us and we get a top 10 pick for staal im happy

I can't see them both giving up Faulk and taking on Martin, but Carolina and the Pens are a good fit - Sutter could fill the 3rd line role and a #8 pick might not be as "untouchable" as some higher picks.

Sutter + 8th + _____ for Staal (+ ___??) could be the start of a reasonable deal for both sides.
- Morris

very good start. the top 10 players in the draft look very good, and some really good forwards may be taken further down since some teams may be looking to stock up on D in the first 5 or 6 picks (exception of yakupov). Sutter has put up decent numbers on a struggling hurricanes team. Then Faulk is only 20 and becomes one of the pens top D prospects with morrow and despres. I understand the pens are in winning mode, but if they can dump martin and staal this frees up about 6 mil (after sutter and faulk) and the pens could definately use that to sign a big name in free agency.

Im sure eric staal may have be pushing the canes to make a move for his younger brother, and if he is this may cause the canes to overpay.

wouldve liked jackman for what he got from st louis
- stayinthefnnet

Not a bad cap hit at all.

certainly not a risk i'd be willing to take. we are going to have a good chance to win whether we have sutter or staal as our #3 center.
- SuperHenderson13

Would you trade a cuP this year with Staal and missing playoffs (which won't happen) for 5 years of top 4 seeding and losing 1st round? Carolina was terrible last year with these awesome players in the line up. Staal is a stud by far best player in the deal and increases our cup chances this season. 3rd line centers can be found and we are loaded with d prospects close to the NHL. Not a chance in hell of falk being in the top pairing. 44 & 58 got that locked up.