That was more of my point. Staal brings so much to this team. Things that 87 & 71 don't and I don't want to lose him for any amount of assets no matter how good the return. I think he is only going to get better. So I did kind of downplay Falk and Sutter but only because I don't want staal to go anywhere and I know Shero reads these threads.
- dbell646

I would hate to see Staal go period, but i would hate even moreso if we lose him and get nothing in return. I like a trade with Carolina because it seems like Sutter is a part of any trade proposal with them. Sutter would be the perfect 3rd line center in this Penguins lineup, plus if we can get something else, it is bonus.

I would hate to see Staal go period, but i would hate even moreso if we lose him and get nothing in return. I like a trade with Carolina because it seems like Sutter is a part of any trade proposal with them. Sutter would be the perfect 3rd line center in this Penguins lineup, plus if we can get something else, it is bonus.
- cap1681

I understand what you are saying but I'm in agreeance with Gunner on this subject. I'd rather have 1 more run with Staal and get rid of him for nothing. It also gives us another year to negotiate. I think Shero understands that and will retain him for this season. Just my 2 cents

Suppose we should mention South Side. That is where all of the partying is.
- dbell646

I took into account that his best friend is getting drafted, so i'm guessing he is probably under 21.

Speaking of how underrated Staal really is, has anyone seen the player usage chart on Pensburgh?

http://www.pensburgh.com/...nguins-player-usage-chart

Lots of stats in play there, but as far as Staal goes, it really shows how he is put out there in the worst situations, against the top players, and still excels as far as scoring points.


Here is a big ass pdf that has charts for all of the teams.
http://the6thsens.com/PlayerUsageCharts2011-12.pdf

My post was more on the quality of the package if we assume (is this an english word?) that Staal has to be traded.
- Toball777

It was a fair offer but I'd just prefer my guy. The only part that interest me was getting Martin's contract off the books. As I mentioned earlier we have a lot of young defensemen ready to make the jump in the near future. Plus having his money will go a long way in retaining Letang who is going to command a hefty raise soon. And Malkin and Crosby

I understand what you are saying but I'm in agreeance with Gunner on this subject. I'd rather have 1 more run with Staal and get rid of him for nothing. It also gives us another year to negotiate. I think Shero understands that and will retain him for this season. Just my 2 cents
- dbell646

Yeah, but in the big picture, losing a first round pick and a top flight center for nothing is a bigger concern. Sutter isn't top flight like Staal is, but is good enough to be very good 3rd line center on this team. Also looking at it from a salary standpoint, if Carolina would take Martin as well, you would be getting rid of 9 mil of salary and only returning 3 mil. That extra 6 mil gives Shero a chance to go out and maybe get another top 6 guy or a stud defenseman.

Yeah, but in the big picture, losing a first round pick and a top flight center for nothing is a bigger concern. Sutter isn't top flight like Staal is, but is good enough to be very good 3rd line center on this team. Also looking at it from a salary standpoint, if Carolina would take Martin as well, you would be getting rid of 9 mil of salary and only returning 3 mil. That extra 6 mil gives Shero a chance to go out and maybe get another top 6 guy or a stud defenseman.
- cap1681

Winning is the concern IMO. I don't think Falk and sutter give us a better chance at it. Guess we will just agree to disagree. And Sutter isn't a top flight 3rd line center then we should be able to find someone of his ilk in FA when Staal leaves.

It was a fair offer but I'd just prefer my guy. The only part that interest me was getting Martin's contract off the books. As I mentioned earlier we have a lot of young defensemen ready to make the jump in the near future. Plus having his money will go a long way in retaining Letang who is going to command a hefty raise soon. And Malkin and Crosby
- dbell646

100% agree with you. Staal is a stud.
But trading him for a package like the Carolina one doesn'T hurt THAT MUCH and will give you guys ammo middle and long term.

Winning is the concern IMO. I don't think Faulk and sutter give us a better chance at it. Guess we will just agree to disagree
- dbell646

Lets look at it this way and I don't think there is one iota of truth to the rumor, but I will play along. You ship out 9 million of salary and get in return Sutter (2.07 million) and Faulk (900K). You can add a major piece after that.

Lets look at it this way and I don't think there is one iota of truth to the rumor, but I will play along. You ship out 9 million of salary and get in return Sutter (2.07 million) and Faulk (900K). You can add a major piece after that.
- Oneonta Penguin

This, and Pittsburgh is now a juicy destination for UFA.

Lets look at it this way and I don't think there is one iota of truth to the rumor, but I will play along. You ship out 9 million of salary and get in return Sutter (2.07 million) and Faulk (900K). You can add a major piece after that.
- Oneonta Penguin

That's what i was saying. Plus, with the 8th pick, the Pens can use their original pick as trade bait.

Lets look at it this way and I don't think there is one iota of truth to the rumor, but I will play along. You ship out 9 million of salary and get in return Sutter (2.07 million) and Faulk (900K). You can add a major piece after that.
- Oneonta Penguin

Or you can keep a major piece. Trade Martin for a bag of pucks and have another 5 mill to give to 87 & 71 & 11 & 58

That's what i was saying. Plus, with the 8th pick, the Pens can use their original pick as trade bait.
- cap1681

22nd pick in this draft isn't very attractive in a shallow talent pool.

One of my Best friends is getting picked this year and therefore im headed on roadtrip to Pittsburgh. Im interested to know what kind of things I should definitely do there as ive got a day or so to explore the city.
- Wolfpack12

that's cool man. good for him.

there is a lot to do. i would suggest going to a pirate game. they are doing well plus their isnt a better stadium in the MLB. tickets can also be pretty cheap too.

there are a lot of great places to eat. lots of pittsburgh food.

all kinds of stuff to do, not sure if the NHL is having any event leading up to the draft.

Just remember, the guy that talked about this trade last night is the same guy that said that James Neal would only get 17 goals this past season. he is a hockey insider wanta be.

but i would be okay with this deal. getting a pick at 8 could help us in the future. plus we would still be there at 22.

Faulk doesnt serve a huge need but i dont know much about him. can he play physical or is he purely offensive? he is another guy that could make Letang a trade possibility in a few years.

Letang-Oprik
Michalek-Faulk
Despres-Niskanen

i would rather see what CHI has to offer.

Bolland, 18th overall, Saad, another piece

i like that deal much better, it was rumored a few weeks ago. would be shocked to see CHI not make a run at Staal.

that's cool man. good for him.

there is a lot to do. i would suggest going to a pirate game. they are doing well plus their isnt a better stadium in the MLB. tickets can also be pretty cheap too.

there are a lot of great places to eat. lots of pittsburgh food.

all kinds of stuff to do, not sure if the NHL is having any event leading up to the draft.
- SuperHenderson13

Dek hockey game on the Clemente bridge with the top 4 prospects on Wednesday at 3 p.m. They are also having a huge fair outside of the CEC during the draft.

Speaking of how underrated Staal really is, has anyone seen the player usage chart on Pensburgh?

http://www.pensburgh.com/...nguins-player-usage-chart

Lots of stats in play there, but as far as Staal goes, it really shows how he is put out there in the worst situations, against the top players, and still excels as far as scoring points.


Here is a big ass pdf that has charts for all of the teams.
http://the6thsens.com/PlayerUsageCharts2011-12.pdf
- rival22

Those charts are really interesting, as it does indicate who gets coddled a bit. In fact, they've been very useful in demonstrating why certain guys (like Horcoff on our team) are treated unfairly by fans.

Everyone needs to remember who the Penguins have negotiating the trade. Shero has proven he is very good at getting a higher return then expected. See the Neal deal and the Kunitz deal.

also Rossi said something last night that a lot of penguins fans have been saying that concerns me...

they think that keeping staal and losing him next season to UFA is worth it in order to contend for another season...

losing Staal for nothing would be a disaster. you cant let guys like him leave for nothing.

the penguins will be a contender with or without staal next season. to say that he is the only way we compete is rather silly. i would rather trade him and get a good return and compete this upcoming season rather than lose him for nothing next season.

Reported that Radulov is heading back to the KHL... What a joke.

Everyone needs to remember who the Penguins have negotiating the trade. Shero has proven he is very good at getting a higher return then expected. See the Neal deal and the Kunitz deal.
- cap1681

It's easy to get a good return when 29 other teams want him too. We will get a nice return if it goes down unless some stooge from Hockeybuzz becomes a GM. Post of the day is I wouldn't do Staal for the # 8 pick!!! OK buddy

also Rossi said something last night that a lot of penguins fans have been saying that concerns me...

they think that keeping staal and losing him next season to UFA is worth it in order to contend for another season...

losing Staal for nothing would be a disaster. you cant let guys like him leave for nothing.

the penguins will be a contender with or without staal next season. to say that he is the only way we compete is rather silly. i would rather trade him and get a good return and compete this upcoming season rather than lose him for nothing next season.
- SuperHenderson13

If the Pens are Stanley Cup Champions it's worth it but I think Shero resigns him or trades him. Period

If the Pens are Stanley Cup Champions it's worth it but I think Shero resigns him or trades him. Period
- lloyd095

i would rather get the pieces to help us continue to compete and win rather than get one more year out of staal and lose him for nothing.

i agree though, Shero is too smart to let him walk for nothing.

Winning is the concern IMO. I don't think Falk and sutter give us a better chance at it. Guess we will just agree to disagree. And Sutter isn't a top flight 3rd line center then we should be able to find someone of his ilk in FA when Staal leaves.
- dbell646

Sutter is the perfect replacement for Staal, maybe the next best to Bolland. If you look at those player charts one person posted earlier, he gets the same quality of competition plus more defensive zone starts. Your underestimating Faulk as well, and he is better than any prospect you have and Niskanen. You get the 8th overall which is a very good pick and gives you a blue chip prospect. You can package those pretty good prospects for a top 4 bruiser and still have room to sign a top 6 winger. This is a fantastic deal for the pens.

Everyone needs to remember who the Penguins have negotiating the trade. Shero has proven he is very good at getting a higher return then expected. See the Neal deal and the Kunitz deal.
- cap1681

Only difference is in those cases he was trading for the best player (maybe less so for Kunitz). In this situation he is trading the best player. Teams will overpay, but I don't think as much as the trade suggested.