And yet, everytime the guy who runs this site, Mr. Flyers fan himself, opens his yap and says XXX (insert your highly prized guy - Weber, Nash) could be headed to Philly, it looks like they are willing to rip apart the roster to acquire that.
- Oneonta Penguin

Just to continue my Rossi bashing, I view Ek and Rossi pretty much in the same light.....however, I respect Ek more because he makes up those kind of "rumors" to increase his traffic. I mean, clicks are $$$$ for him. Anybody who takes him serious is......well.....stupid.

The 'secret plans' of the Carolina organization:

B. Schenn - J. Staal - E. Staal

M. Staal - L. Schenn

Ward
- MaximusAurelius

how about a pp line of e.staal, jord staal, jar staal
m staal, ??
maybe stoll? just to mix it up

was a bit of a gag, but seriously... I would rather do things that took less time if I had only a day or two in a city. nice stadium, but kind off sucks up a big part of your trip
- ChrisMS

You can probably get in for $10-15, leave after the 5th. Its outdoors, great atmosphere, great city skyline. That would be one of the first things I recommend and I have no ties to the Pittsburgh area at all.

Thats a good deal if it has any legs...


Im in hurlburt filed florida dropping trools all week again so keep me posted of rumors on the board... Should b back friday aftwrnoon...

What interests me is that Rutherford and everyone close to Carolina is saying they want to find a winger to play with Eric.

Grabbing Jordan is great, but ti doesn't address what they consider the biggest hole. Have to wonder where Skinner would fit, as he was used in that 2 hole for a good chunk of the year.
- Brian Huddle

It wouldn't surprise me if Rutherford is the guy who will give the best package for Staal.

2 Years ago. One guy from RDS (can'T remember who it was) in the l'Antichambre talk show said that Rutherford told him off the record that he wanted to bring all the Staal in Carolina.

Eric, Jared and possibly Jordan. He'll be 1 Staal away from fulfilling his dream.

Yes, Rutherford is a Staal boner.

Sutter -3 32 pts we can do better for a 3rd line center. Jordan Staal 50 pts plus 11. Falk -16 on the year. And the 8 pick who gives a poop about that 8 pick. By time that player joins the club our window can be closed. I'd say no to this. I'd rather have Jordan Staal.

I cant speak to the rumors of that Carolina proposed deal but I do agree with this part 100%:

But look, I can tell you, the Penguins are under, they are totally confident in the approach, of letting Staal play out this year because they believe that they
have a team that can go and contend for a championship and they’ll try to sign him during the season. If it doesn’t come to that, the ultimate risk is you took one more crack with those big three and it didn’t get done, Staal hits free agency. That’s just a risk they’re willing to take.”

To me I would rather take another run at it. First time in 3 years all 3 centers are healthy and ready to go as well as Orpik. If the risk is losing Staal for nothing, so be it.
- Gunner Staal

And if at the end of the season he won't sign, the Pens can trade his rights. If Bryz can get a 3rd rd pick, Staal would fetch a little more than that, and even more if there is some condition on him signing where he goes.

And if at the end of the season he won't sign, the Pens can trade his rights. If Bryz can get a 3rd rd pick, Staal would fetch a little more than that, and even more if there is some condition on him signing where he goes.
- rival22

Can't wait for this to be over. I find it exhausting that I have to defend how good this kid is every day now. I hope we get to keep him and his overrated self Ha Ha! Pauly Martin on the other hand I'm listening to any offer. Shero will cut your grass for the summer if you take him.

Sutter -3 32 pts we can do better for a 3rd line center. Jordan Staal 50 pts plus 11. Falk -16 on the year. And the 8 pick who gives a poop about that 8 pick. By time that player joins the club our window can be closed. I'd say no to this. I'd rather have Jordan Staal.
- dbell646

Using the +/- stats, you can almost make a bad player look good and a good player look bad. People shouldn't use the +/- stats to justify their opinion of a player. System, goaltending, linemate all have an effect on the +/- of a player.

Unless it'S Brett Sutter and not Brendan Sutter, IMHO it's a very good deal for the Pens short and long term.

A top-10 pick alone for any rental would be an overpayment.

A 20 year old 1st pairing D for any rental would be an overpayment (and it is Faulk, not Falk)

This deal is laughably bad.

There is a lot of speculating the reconfiguration of the Pens should Staal leave. All of it makes me a bit nervous about trading him. He is very young and has strength and stamina late in games and in the end of season when it is so sorely needed.

He is not a 40 goal scorer BUT he has a strength and determination with size and defensive responsibility that is hard to match. He will only get better. I understan economics may dictate trades and such. I just wish we were not talking about Staal, not yet.

Using the +/- stats, you can almost make a bad player look good and a good player look bad. People shouldn't use the +/- stats to justify their opinion of a player. System, goaltending, linemate all have an effect on the +/- of a player.

Unless it'S Brett Sutter and not Brendan Sutter, IMHO it's a very good deal for the Pens short and long term.
- Toball777

+/- is the most overrated stat in hockey today.

A top-10 pick alone for any rental would be an overpayment.

A 20 year old 1st pairing D for any rental would be an overpayment (and it is Faulk, not Falk)

This deal is laughably bad.
- psoneill

So, Staal would be a rental in Carolina? I thought they were the hands down leader to get him if he goes to free agency?

Faulk is a nice player. He wouldn't be top pairing in Pittsburgh though.

A top-10 pick alone for any rental would be an overpayment.

A 20 year old 1st pairing D for any rental would be an overpayment (and it is Faulk, not Falk)

This deal is laughably bad.
- psoneill

Well, an extension would be needed for this deal to happen.
Jordan Staal bring WAY MORE than his PTS total.
Big complete player.

Using the +/- stats, you can almost make a bad player look good and a good player look bad. People shouldn't use the +/- stats to justify their opinion of a player. System, goaltending, linemate all have an effect on the +/- of a player.

Unless it'S Brett Sutter and not Brendan Sutter, IMHO it's a very good deal for the Pens short and long term.
- Toball777

Would you agree that Staal is a much better player? Who is also young. Plays in the same role with the same type of linemates?

Also if you read futher I'd prefer to have Staal on this roster than Sutter and Falk. We are pretty loaded with prospects on the back end who will need roster spots. Sutter would fill the void left by Staal's departure but bringing Falk in doesn't particularly fill any needs for the pens. He doesn't appear to be a big nasty defenseman and we have plenty of puck moving defenseman. We are trying to resign Matt Niskanen and have Despres Morrow Harrington all needing spots sooner rather than later. Just saying this trade doesn't truly help the pens.

So, Staal would be a rental in Carolina? I thought they were the hands down leader to get him if he goes to free agency?

Faulk is a nice player. He wouldn't be top pairing in Pittsburgh though.
- Oneonta Penguin

Faulk just turned 20 years old and led the Canes in TOI by the end of last year. Kid is going to be an All-Star, just look at the World Championships. One of the top for plus minus and points by D. Rutherford wouldn't trade him for Staal straight up, especially given how bad the Canes D is.

A top-10 pick alone for any rental would be an overpayment.

A 20 year old 1st pairing D for any rental would be an overpayment (and it is Faulk, not Falk)

This deal is laughably bad.
- psoneill

Not saying it's a great deal, but for Carolina, they would be confident that they could resign him and it wouldn't be a rental. I think that is why the Pitt/Carolina scenario is brought up so much, you could get a much higher return from Carolina than you could from say Winnipeg or somewhere else, because he wouldn't be viewed as a rental.

"plus Carolina might be willing to take on Paul Martin’s salary."


Is Martin's deal really that unreasonable? I believe Shero has gotten what he expected, perhaps not more than, but he's a pretty steady D

"plus Carolina might be willing to take on Paul Martin’s salary."


Is Martin's deal really that unreasonable? I believe Shero has gotten what he expected, perhaps not more than, but he's a pretty steady D
- ernmerica

In some scenarios his deal wouldnt be so bad, when the Penguins are trying to resign cornerstone players, his 5M is just too much.

Would you agree that Staal is a much better player? Who is also young. Plays in the same role with the same type of linemates?
- dbell646

See my above post.

Jordan Staal is one of the most underrated player in this sites because he doesn'T put 90pts every year and he's playing 3rd line in Pittsburgh.

When I go watch a hockey game. (Mostly CHL because I live 500km from MTL. 310 miles for you fellow americans) I don'T pick the players who got the most points in the game to be my choice as the best player of the game.

One of my Best friends is getting picked this year and therefore im headed on roadtrip to Pittsburgh. Im interested to know what kind of things I should definitely do there as ive got a day or so to explore the city.
- Wolfpack12

So much stuff to do in the Burgh, Pirates games all week, if you're in to art, the Warhol museum and the Matress Factory are awesome, take the incline up to Mt Washington (best view of the city), tons of good restaurants to eat at. Just to name a few. You'll be fine.

See my above post.

Jordan Staal is one of the most underrated player in this sites because he doesn'T put 90pts every year and he's playing 3rd line in Pittsburgh.

When I go watch a hockey game. (Mostly CHL because I live 500km from MTL. 310 miles for you fellow americans) I don'T pick the players who got the most points in the game to be my choice as the best player of the game.
- Toball777

That was more of my point. Staal brings so much to this team. Things that 87 & 71 don't and I don't want to lose him for any amount of assets no matter how good the return. I think he is only going to get better. So I did kind of downplay Falk and Sutter but only because I don't want staal to go anywhere and I know Shero reads these threads.

"plus Carolina might be willing to take on Paul Martin’s salary."


Is Martin's deal really that unreasonable? I believe Shero has gotten what he expected, perhaps not more than, but he's a pretty steady D
- ernmerica

I don't think so... It helps that the cap floor looks like it's going up a decent amount, but I don't think that Shero would have a lot of trouble moving Martin. Not saying that there will be a great return, but he can be moved.

So much stuff to do in the Burgh, Pirates games all week, if you're in to art, the Warhol museum and the Matress Factory are awesome, take the incline up to Mt Washington (best view of the city), tons of good restaurants to eat at. Just to name a few. You'll be fine.
- cap1681

Suppose we should mention South Side. That is where all of the partying is.

That was more of my point. Staal brings so much to this team. Things that 87 & 71 don't and I don't want to lose him for any amount of assets no matter how good the return. I think he is only going to get better. So I did kind of downplay Falk and Sutter but only because I don't want staal to go anywhere and I know Shero reads these threads.
- dbell646

My post was more on the quality of the package if we assume (is this an english word?) that Staal has to be traded.