You have other issues (secondary scoring, grit) you need to address; having huge dollars tied up in net is not going to help. Plus, if Lou's not gone, Schneider's not signing more than a year if not offersheeted.
- gravyface

not over or underestimating.. just not ready to write him off as a career back up yet
- P-Nut

i'm not writing him off.. but i'd prefer to keep my reservations. if he can suprise.. great, but i'm not willing to bank on it. i'd prefer to have some sort of contingency plan aside from either.

Yes im willing to do that, though you shove scrivens or reimer in the net occasionally to see what they can do, luongo is good but you have to show boat a little to see what they can do. Trust luongo will be a great mentor for them and once luongo slowly dies out, you sub them in for starter.
- Mapleleafs_91

Andrew Raycroft is a serviceable back up. Doesn't make him a starter. Throwing them in here and there works for early twenties goalies who need to take baby steps for 3-5 years like Bernier has

Reimer and Scrivens are getting close to being in their late twenties in a year or two. This is when you basically $hit or get off the pot with a goalie and find out what you have. Reimer proved he could do it healthy and Scrivens dominated the AHL this year.

I realize we all have nightmares of Gustavsson and his struggles but he dominated a swedish elite league. Never had the type of accolades Reimer or Scrivens have right now.

Bringing in Luongo kills any chance of them being a starter with this organization and leaves us in a situation where we're searching for goalies in 5 years which is when this team is projected to really be contending if everything goes as planned

not necessarily.

reimer is better suited with someone he can share duties with, but i think scrivens is better suited in the minors. either having to take the responsibility and workload of the team, will most likely be disastrous.

there needs to be another goalie, but it is definitely not luongo.
- joel878

Yes I can handle a short term 1 or 2 year solution but giving 60-70 games for the next 5 or 6 years to Luongo kills any chance of progression in Scrivens or Reimer to the next level and by the time he is done and on his way outs, we are left with two goalies who were never given the chance to develop properly and wonder why they are still average back ups.

What will likely happen is that unless Lou comes for cheap, we go with Reimer and a Biron or somebody like that. I'd like to see Scrivens backing up Reimer, but I don't think Burke will.
- gravyface

would love to see a halak, elliot type brought in through trade. washington keeping neuvirth? pavelec stay in the nhl if he can get out of winnipeg?

a youngish tender that has already been somewhat proven, but won't cost the blue chippers and first rounders, would be ideal.

It's pretty hard to take a cupless franchise seriously, let alone one that has nothing to show for back-to-back President's Trophies and bounced in 5 this season. Ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch.
- As_I_See_It

I'm not engaging in this stupid senseless argument....great, Toronto won some cups in an era of 6 teams where you only had to win 2 rounds before you were born, good on ya mate....

Problem is, Lou's contract will stay long after he's effective. I know the cap's going up, but that's still a lot of salary and a NTC to make things difficult.
- gravyface

... But does Luongo's NTC travel with him once he's waived it? If not, theoretically if the Leafs could trade for Luongo while he's at it's lowest value, couldn't the Leafs trade him at the trade deadline if the chose to?

Andrew Raycroft is a serviceable back up. Doesn't make him a starter. Throwing them in here and there works for early twenties goalies who need to take baby steps for 3-5 years like Bernier has

Reimer and Scrivens are getting close to being in their late twenties in a year or two. This is when you basically $hit or get off the pot with a goalie and find out what you have. Reimer proved he could do it healthy and Scrivens dominated the AHL this year.

I realize we all have nightmares of Gustavsson and his struggles but he dominated a swedish elite league. Never had the type of accolades Reimer or Scrivens have right now.

Bringing in Luongo kills any chance of them being a starter with this organization and leaves us in a situation where we're searching for goalies in 5 years which is when this team is projected to really be contending if everything goes as planned
- Sheppy99

It gives them a chance to see how an elite goalie prepares, can only help....

he doesn't HAVE to trade anyone, if anything.. there's been reports lately suggesting he will keep both.

schneider is an RFA, he either signs, or sits. lou is under contract.. he plays the role he's been given.. and that's all there is to it, unless he likes retirement, or russia.

the common narrow minded myth out there is that gillis HAS to trade a goaltender, he doesn't.
- joel878

Approx 10 million in goaltending???

Schneider sits which will only lead him to demand a trade.... Not to mention a fan revolt in Vancouver


Think again!!!

if he wants to make his team better, he does. Having 10M tied up in the back end (and knowing Schneider's not going to sign longer than a year) cripples them short-term, and hinders them long-term by losing Schneider the following year.
- gravyface

and that's certainly how it would appear at face value.

but i'm sure anyone phoning thinking their getting luongo with that approach is being told to get (frank)ed. no amount of komisarek, lombardi combos are bringing any sort of legitimate goaltender to the leafs regardless of what kind've scenario the team is in with it's own.

It gives them a chance to see how an elite goalie prepares, can only help....
- chompsey

How can it help when they don't get to play for 5 or 6 years and when Luongo is finally done. they are both over 30 and expected to have developed barely ever playing at the NHL level??

A situation where we bring in a Vokoun who plays 40-50 games if he was still around, I would agree with you there but not a guy who eats up 60-70 games.

I have warmed up to the idea and don't hate it if we get Lu for the right price. He will give us 5 years of solid goaltending. No real question there but giving up on Reimer and Scrivens is where I have a tough time swallowing this.

Approx 10 million in goaltending???

Schneider sits which will only lead him to demand a trade.... Not to mention a fan revolt in Vancouver


Think again!!!
- faceto27

sorry man, but that's not how the nhl works.

gm's don't just sit back and go "jesus, i have two pretty good goalies that get paid alot, but because everyone else realizes im in this situation, i have to trade one of them for a bag of steaming poop. i just have no other choice at all"

wake up man.

Approx 10 million in goaltending???

Schneider sits which will only lead him to demand a trade.... Not to mention a fan revolt in Vancouver


Think again!!!
- faceto27

You obviously know more about Vancouver than Vancouver itself - NOT!

Believe what you want, Luo aint going for scraps.....

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think the Leafs would offer the Sharks for Niemi? Sheer speculation obviously, but just curious as to what you guys think.

Yes I can handle a short term 1 or 2 year solution but giving 60-70 games for the next 5 or 6 years to Luongo kills any chance of progression in Scrivens or Reimer to the next level and by the time he is done and on his way outs, we are left with two goalies who were never given the chance to develop properly and wonder why they are still average back ups.
- Sheppy99

agreed.

a short term goaltender with upside gives them the opportunity to work with reimer and scrivens. if neither pans out, theres already a contingency plan in place a contract extension away..

This is basically like asking Joe Colbourne to play on the 4th line, 8-10 min a night until he's 30-32 years old and when we finally need him we go ok Joe, playing that 8 minutes a night for hte last 6 years, you should be good to go now right?


Don't think so

agreed.

a short term goaltender with upside gives them the opportunity to work with reimer and scrivens. if neither pans out, theres already a contingency plan in place a contract extension away..
- joel878

Josh Harding or Tim the tea party Thomas?

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think the Leafs would offer the Sharks for Niemi? Sheer speculation obviously, but just curious as to what you guys think.
- sjsharks92

i think i'd have to pass. he's most likely out of our price range.

wouldn't be able to give up more than some salary, a 2nd/3rd rounder.. and a middle tier prospect. that's just not gonna get it done, i wouldn't say.

Out of curiosity, what do you guys think the Leafs would offer the Sharks for Niemi? Sheer speculation obviously, but just curious as to what you guys think.
- sjsharks92

komisarek, connolly, armdog, lombardi and im not even joking.

i think i'd have to pass. he's most likely out of our price range.

wouldn't be able to give up more than some salary, a 2nd/3rd rounder.. and a middle tier prospect. that's just not gonna get it done, i wouldn't say.
- joel878

niemi is terrible why in the hell would we want him, i poop better goalies

Josh Harding or Tim the tea party Thomas?
- Sheppy99

(frank) thomas.

harding seems to be allright, but i think the team can do better. with the amount of middle tier talent within the system that can be expendable, there's bound to be the right situation around the league somewhere, where a decent 25-27 goaltender can be had without the arm, and leg.

sorry man, but that's not how the nhl works.

gm's don't just sit back and go "jesus, i have two pretty good goalies that get paid alot, but because everyone else realizes im in this situation, i have to trade one of them for a bag of steaming poop. i just have no other choice at all"

wake up man.
- joel878

Wow

Let's talk next week man

I'll set the alarm clock for you to wake up

Play Reimer and Scurvy and see if they are actually any good.

I'm sure Lunogo will be around next year and probably sad and wanting a trade still. Grab him then for the 1st overall or something.

niemi is terrible why in the hell would we want him, i poop better goalies
- Mapleleafs_91

niemi has a cup, i'd be suprised if you had grade 10.

This is basically like asking Joe Colbourne to play on the 4th line, 8-10 min a night until he's 30-32 years old and when we finally need him we go ok Joe, playing that 8 minutes a night for hte last 6 years, you should be good to go now right?


Don't think so
- Sheppy99

Youre assuming that a) Reimer or Scrivens pan out b) Leafs management has total faith in them c) they wont be dealt for other assets

I dont know what Burke wants to do. I just know he wont get Luo for nothing...