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Dozzer
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:50 AM ET
Anything of Value??? You do realize that guys like Komisarek and Connolly have a negative value right.

I'm not saying a great return...but if it's Komisarek or Connolly there will be more involved from the Leafs perspective. Mark my words.

- stormeyAlterEgo


ok.. i know and have openly admitted that komi getting moved is a pipe dream

connolly is exactly what gillis would have to take on, one year.. blh blah blah we've all heard the routine

anyways, i dont even want Loungo anyways, would rather stick to the kids

so my final summary of Luongo would be that he is a top flight world class goalie who has very little trade value due to his contract.. which is unfortunate for the nucks.. if he were to be say.. signed for 3 years.. the nucks would be able to take home the bank on him
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:52 AM ET
But what's the better option to getting that pay day? ....signing a modest 3 year deal at the risk of sharing time with Lou? ...or riding it out for 1 possibly strike shortened year then signing some mega-deal as a UFA next summer? I like the latter choice better if I'm his agent. UFAgency is where you get max pay.

Parise made that same choice.

- The Law

Pretty well everyone makes that choice. If Vancouver fans are banking on Schiender being a "good guy" and not looking for a the payday, they will be disappointed again. These hockey players are money hungry.
mcgrattan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Brantford, ON
Joined: 03.14.2012

Jun 18 @ 10:52 AM ET
Wonder if the neg rights to Parise and a 2nd would get NJ Bernier?
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:53 AM ET
Problem with Canucks fans is

1. They think Luongo is the only goalie out there.


Newflash, theres 28 other teams in the league with goaltenders, and free agency.

If Luongo doesn't come cheap, no biggie for us, we'll just look elsewhere. Have fun trying to find a team for Lu.
aj_furf
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 06.19.2007

Jun 18 @ 10:53 AM ET
Florida is below the cap floor and luongo lives there. He canbe there starter and teach markstrom then leave when markstrom is ready. Gillis hates burke so if he is trading luongo for spare parts cause he can't find a deal it sure as hell won't be toronto. So good luck with your low ball offers because MG would rather trade with the panthers like he has in the past many times.
- Jake_1723


If the Panthers are in fact interested...I think they make a better trade partner and can send Theodore to backup Schneider. There just hasn't been any chatter that anyone other than Toronto is going after Lu.

That's not to say that no one is...just can't assume that Gillis for sure does or doesn't have other options. Lu won't get traded for 1 bad contract (komisarek) as no deal is better than that one. But if he can add a mid-tier prospect and a mid-round draft pick along with a shorter-term contract, both sides can win the trade and nobody gets fleeced.
stormeyAlterEgo
Location: The Attack Line of Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen - Brandon Smille
Joined: 09.24.2008

Jun 18 @ 10:53 AM ET
Because Chicago hasn't expressed any interest whatsoever in getting Luongo.
- Atomic Wedgie

Did Tampa express interest in Lindbach?

Funny...I don't remember anyone in the Leafs organization come out and say they were interested in Luongo.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:53 AM ET
Wonder if the neg rights to Parise and a 2nd would get NJ Bernier?
- mcgrattan


that would be alot to pay for negotiating rights.. but interesting thought
sjsharks92
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Jose, CA
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:53 AM ET
I could see Luongo, Booth + Raymond for Thornton + Clowe
- Scooby_Doo


I'm not sure that'd be enough to get Thornton and Clowe.
JVince117
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfried, Let's go Roy... Eye of the Tiger! , AK
Joined: 02.17.2012

Jun 18 @ 10:54 AM ET
ok.. i know and have openly admitted that komi getting moved is a pipe dream

connolly is exactly what gillis would have to take on, one year.. blh blah blah we've all heard the routine

anyways, i dont even want Loungo anyways, would rather stick to the kids

so my final summary of Luongo would be that he is a top flight world class goalie who has very little trade value due to his contract.. which is unfortunate for the nucks.. if he were to be say.. signed for 3 years.. the nucks would be able to take home the bank on him

- Dozzer


Scrivens is not a bad goaltender to have... Reimer had concussion symptoms all year much like Miller had for most of the year..

Trust me.. I know the feeling.. Its just that they need more insurance than that..

Why does it have to be Luongo...?

Harding, Bernier, and Bobz are all "available"..
ejeezy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 08.23.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:54 AM ET
Burke gets fired if the Leafs miss the playoffs. Luongo is his only ticket to the playoffs.

Gillis knows this and is going to fleece Burkie.

- Scooby_Doo


Seems reasonable.

Correct my mistake its your only play, or else you'll be fired... Take on an Albatross contract... And while your at it, I want quality assets back in return



A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:54 AM ET
really? that's the dumbest...

Someone from Toronto said Luongo for Komisarek + 3rd.

If Toronto is the trading partner, I could see Schenn, MacArthur + 2nd being the deal.

- Scooby_Doo



You're trade comments are absolute lunacy, I want you to realize that. You're so delusional I almost feel bad for you.
mfreedman
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Thornhill, ON
Joined: 10.04.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:54 AM ET
I'm not sure that'd be enough to get Thornton and Clowe.
- sjsharks92


I'm not sure it would be enough to get either
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:55 AM ET
So, what happens if Lu asks for a trade?

What's Gillis going to do then?

He'll have even less leverage.

Is he going to keep a goalie who wants out, or is he going to trade him when teams offer up very little?
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:55 AM ET
Seems reasonable.

Correct my mistake its your only play, or else you'll be fired... Take on an Albatross contract... And while your at it, I want quality assets back in return

- ejeezy

I think Burke would rather be fired after the season, then before it even starts.
Panthers88
Florida Panthers
Location: It's gonna be a long one.., FL
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jun 18 @ 10:55 AM ET
For some reason, I could see Lu coming back here. I think he and Markstrom would be a better tandem than Theodore/Markstrom. I also think Theodore could go back the other way.. along with some other salary.. and be a great mentor for Schneider. He is clearly ready to take over in the crease. At the same token, we should let Clem go and bring Markstrom up to back up Luongo. Markstrom would be called upon a reasonable 15-20 games a season, and all is right with the world. Who goes back the other way? Theodore plus....
JVince117
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Alright Sigfried, Let's go Roy... Eye of the Tiger! , AK
Joined: 02.17.2012

Jun 18 @ 10:55 AM ET
I'm not sure that'd be enough to get Thornton and Clowe.
- sjsharks92


Honestly... Thornton and Marleau should be traded if the right deal came along.. both of them are at the top of their respective hills and are coming to the downside of their careers very soon...

Now if it is paired with the youth of Clowe and Pavelski.. then no..

but I personally think that SJ should listen to offers for Thornton/Marleau.
ejeezy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 08.23.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:56 AM ET
Why don't the Canucks just stop exploring trades for Luongo and keep him as a back up if they want quality assets in return?

Forget that you'll have around 10 million a season tied up in goalies, the cap is going up remember?
LeafMan
Location: A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven
Joined: 05.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 10:56 AM ET
I'm not sure that'd be enough to get Thornton and Clowe.
- sjsharks92

Have you seen anything if one of Thornton, Marleau or Crowe or all are being shopped around in your area?
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jun 18 @ 10:56 AM ET
Anything of Value??? You do realize that guys like Komisarek and Connolly have a negative value right.

I'm not saying a great return...but if it's Komisarek or Connolly there will be more involved from the Leafs perspective. Mark my words.

- stormeyAlterEgo

Yes, we realize that. We absolutely realize that.

Now take a quick gander at Luongo's contract, his playoff stats, and his age, and hopefully you can come to realization of your own.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:56 AM ET
Wonder if the neg rights to Parise and a 2nd would get NJ Bernier?
- mcgrattan


Probably not. Even though you'd be trading for an unstable asset, Parise is a high caliber player so they would likely demand "too much" for a return.
jbold
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Raymond adds sandpaper to the Leafs- FakePartofMe, ON
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jun 18 @ 10:56 AM ET
If you want Schenn+MacArthur+2nd rounder for Lu, then you better throw in a guy like Bieksa or Kesler.


Doesn't mean it's fair, or it's worth it. But if you don't, it's not worth our time and assets, and im sure Burke would love to look somewhere else.



It's either take Komisarek and something like a 3rd rounder, or keep Luongo and his ridiculous contract. And have to pay 2 goalies a pretty penny.

Pick one.
Leafland
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: MATTHEW 20:16 "So the last will be first, and the first will be last.", ON
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:58 AM ET
Honestly... Thornton and Marleau should be traded if the right deal came along.. both of them are at the top of their respective hills and are coming to the downside of their careers very soon...

Now if it is paired with the youth of Clowe and Pavelski.. then no..

but I personally think that SJ should listen to offers for Thornton/Marleau.

- JVince117

I believe it was Hockerinsider on twitter that was saying the Leafs and SJ were about to make a deal.

Obviously, means very little, but still there was some smoke.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:58 AM ET
Scrivens is not a bad goaltender to have... Reimer had concussion symptoms all year much like Miller had for most of the year..

Trust me.. I know the feeling.. Its just that they need more insurance than that..

Why does it have to be Luongo...?

Harding, Bernier, and Bobz are all "available"..

- JVince117



It's only 'nuck fans that are assuming that this is the sole option for Toronto. If anything we should just go ahead with the guys we have now.
A_Tree
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm r00ting for you™ - KS, ON
Joined: 05.06.2011

Jun 18 @ 10:59 AM ET
So, what happens if Lu asks for a trade?

What's Gillis going to do then?

He'll have even less leverage.

Is he going to keep a goalie who wants out, or is he going to trade him when teams offer up very little?

- jbold



Either way they're in a funk.
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Jun 18 @ 10:59 AM ET
If you want Schenn+MacArthur+2nd rounder for Lu, then you better throw in a guy like Bieksa or Kesler.


Doesn't mean it's fair, or it's worth it. But if you don't, it's not worth our time and assets, and im sure Burke would love to look somewhere else.



It's either take Komisarek and something like a 3rd rounder, or keep Luongo and his ridiculous contract. And have to pay 2 goalies a pretty penny.

Pick one.

- jbold


I think there has to be a prospect or young roster player in there too as well as a better pick: like Komisarek (to negate salary), 2nd round pick, D'Amigo.
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