The market will dictate what the Nucks get for Luongo.

So lets now declare the teams that would take on that contract.

The Leafs and................................. Who else?????

If there is only one team in the market bidding, well then there is no demand.

If no demand, then Nucks get nothing in return.
- faceto27

Chicago and Florida come to mind.

I agree he has potential to be very good and has shown flashes of brilliance, but I put him in the same place as Schnieder. An unproven goalie hwo has good stats over short periods of time.

Didn't Raycroft do similar with Boston? How about Steve Mason with Columbus early on?
- mfreedman

agreed....

I forget where i heard it but the best definition of the word "potential" is...

"it means just that you haven't done sh!t yet!"

i guess its gonna come down to schenider's stance.. if he is willing to split duties for a couple more years then it takes the pressure off of gillis..

if he says to gillis that he wont resign unless luongo is moved then gillis HAS to make a move.. and will get taken advantage of

so it all depends on the stance the heir apparant decides to take imo
- Dozzer

schnieder has already stated he wants to be a starter. he won't be signing unless this is the case.
not to mention, no way in hell can Vancouver carry 10-11 million in goaltending

Can we all agree on the following:

1) Luongo is an elite goaltender who is still considered by many (based on his play) very valieable.
2) His actual cost to be had will depend on the folllowing:
...a) His contract length
...b) His cap hit
...c) His age
...d) Other team's interest
3) Considering the points in #2, none of those work very well to increase his value, in fact, all of those seem to decrease his value at the moment.
4) If Toronto is going to be trading for Luongo, they will certainly be sending back some salary

Looking at these points, Luongo's value in a trade is certainly going to be less than what it would be if he were 30, and signed to a 3 year $4M contract.

Looking at his vlaue, I could see something like: Komisarek, Mac, Franson being fair value for a guy like Luongo at the moment. Maybe replace one of Mac or Franson with a mid-pick (i.e. 2nd-3rd)
- mfreedman

I agree

Komi, and a mid round pick. Don't need to give up Mac. Give them Franson as part of the deal in exchange we get a 3rd back.

Bottom line........ Nucks not going to get any fair return. The contract kills any notion of fair value being sent to them. If he was 27...... then yes. But he is 33.

There is an out, for Gillis:

- he can sign Schnieder to a 1-year contract, and then work like heck to trade Bobby Lu this season, while re-signing Schnieder to a multi-year contract before he hits UFA status.

Really risky, though.

Upside: if Luongo looks good, you may increase his value.

Downside: a whole lot of risks involved.

My guess is Gillis is going to realize he doesn't have any negotiating power, and engineers a trade which will be the equivalent of driving Luongo to the bus station and abandoning him there.
- Atomic Wedgie

Very true. Can offer Schnider a modest raise for 1-yr with the promise that he gets #1 playing time to earn his next contract. In the meantime you have a disgruntled Luongo sitting on the bench. Then you need to decide if getting a bad, short-term contract + a 2nd/3rd draft pick is worth removing the potential Lu distraction....or Lu decides to expand the list of teams he's willing to go to.

Why only one year with Schneider. Pretty sure 3 years at 4 mill per would be doable.

Your analogy at the end is fitting however I doubt he would pick up a homeless person at the bus station and take him home and feed him for the next two years (Komisarek)
- stormeyAlterEgo

My Liut quote earlier should answer that. That's agent-speak for these guys might have to play together one more year ...but no more. They won't commit to that situation longer then they have to (1 yr).

Chicago and Florida come to mind.
- stormeyAlterEgo

Chicago does not have the cap space.

Florida does not have the cash.

Chicago and Florida come to mind.
- stormeyAlterEgo

Chicago doesn't have the cap...

But florida is a good idea....

Bring Luongo back to where he started off...

They have a ton of room... Theodore only has 1 year left and played very shaky.. Clemmenson is a UFA.

It makes sense. It would put fans in the stands.

No way Dozzer

10 million tied up in your goalies for the next couple of years?? Not going to happen

Nope

Never

Forget about it
- faceto27

agreed. if gillis is too stubborn to let luongo go on the cheap, he will lose schnieder.....

There is an out, for Gillis:

- he can sign Schnieder to a 1-year contract, and then work like heck to trade Bobby Lu this season, while re-signing Schnieder to a multi-year contract before he hits UFA status.

Really risky, though.

Upside: if Luongo looks good, you may increase his value.

Downside: a whole lot of risks involved.

My guess is Gillis is going to realize he doesn't have any negotiating power, and engineers a trade which will be the equivalent of driving Luongo to the bus station and abandoning him there.
- Atomic Wedgie

haha yup, sounds about right.. what i think the nucks fans dont like is that luongo, while still a valuable player.. has all his value nullified by a poor market and that absurd contract

schnieder has already stated he wants to be a starter. he won't be signing unless this is the case.
not to mention, no way in hell can Vancouver carry 10-11 million in goaltending
- Barx

wouldnt be the brightest of moves

gillis either has to abandon schneider and re-establish his next goalie or.. somehow.. pay to get rid of luongo

not a good spot to be in.. and the other 29 GMs in the league know it

agreed....

I forget where i heard it but the best definition of the word "potential" is...

"it means just that you haven't done sh!t yet!"
- JVince117

That's basically it.

If I were a GM, I would trade the majority of my picks for players that were drafted the year previous at similar position.

Draft picks have more potential than these guys do a year out. Players a year out of the draft seem to drop in value so fast.. Why buy low and sell high?

You're wasting your time typing this. I have said the same thing to this guy over and over, but he just continues to rant without readign what you wrote... You'll see.
- mfreedman

haha...thanks for the advice...duly noted.

There is an out, for Gillis:

- he can sign Schnieder to a 1-year contract, and then work like heck to trade Bobby Lu this season, while re-signing Schnieder to a multi-year contract before he hits UFA status.

Really risky, though.

Upside: if Luongo looks good, you may increase his value.

Downside: a whole lot of risks involved.

My guess is Gillis is going to realize he doesn't have any negotiating power, and engineers a trade which will be the equivalent of driving Luongo to the bus station and abandoning him there.
- Atomic Wedgie

Problem is that if he signs him to a 1 year contract, I'm pretty sure he would become a UFA at years end. That would put VAN in a very risky situation. With a goalie that is unhappy, and the other that could leave... Doubt they would sign him to any less than 3 years

You're wasting your time typing this. I have said the same thing to this guy over and over, but he just continues to rant without readign what you wrote... You'll see.
- mfreedman

The pattern will likely continue until the kool-aid drinkers suddenly see the light and know that the problem is and always has been Burke. All these bad deals have one thing in common they were masterminded by Burke.

My Liut quote earlier should answer that. That's agent-speak for these guys might have to play together one more year ...but no more. They won't commit to that situation longer then they have to (1 yr).
- The Law

That may be. But then he sits without a contract until the new CBA is signed. He's taking a chance. I doubt the Canucks rush to sign him for one year.

I say if the Nucks offer him 3 years at 12 mill, putting him in a similar range as guys like Halek, then he'll have to look at it.

You're wasting your time typing this. I have said the same thing to this guy over and over, but he just continues to rant without readign what you wrote... You'll see.
- mfreedman

Round, round we go...

Chicago and Florida come to mind.
- stormeyAlterEgo

Louongo will be a Leaf by Tuesday night.

agreed. if gillis is too stubborn to let luongo go on the cheap, he will lose schnieder.....
- Barx

He'll play Lu about 30-35 games to keep Schneider happy and when Schneider is UFA Lu will have more time burned off of his albatross.

Van might not get much value, but they won't be taking on a bad contract in return.

Chicago does not have the cap space.

Florida does not have the cash.
- faceto27

If the Canucks are taking back salary...pretty sure Chicago could dig up 5 mill in cap space to go back that is better than Komisarek or Connolly.

See...this is what I don't get. Why do you think it's ok for Toronto to be able to give back crap salary and not a team like Chicago???

Just an idea since Toronto is in the same boat as Buffalo.. looking for a center..

Why haven't I heard a lot about doing a trade with SJ?

Clow, Pavelski, Thornton, and Marleau can all play the pivot.. all in different parts of their career so each would be a different package going back..

Pavelski, Neimi

for

Something like Colburne and a young D-man.. Gunnar/Gardiner/Schenn, and Scrivens.

maybe a few draft picks to equal things out..

That may be. But then he sits without a contract until the new CBA is signed. He's taking a chance. I doubt the Canucks rush to sign him for one year.

I say if the Nucks offer him 3 years at 12 mill, putting him in a similar range as guys like Halek, then he'll have to look at it.
- stormeyAlterEgo

Can't he just file for arbitration?

wouldnt be the brightest of moves

gillis either has to abandon schneider and re-establish his next goalie or.. somehow.. pay to get rid of luongo

not a good spot to be in.. and the other 29 GMs in the league know it
- Dozzer

Having 2 top 10 goalies in the league on your team is not a good spot to be in...

- AdamFrench