Again that is just bunk. It is about what you want to believe. Look at what Tallon brought in last year. We are told the improvement will continue this year. Roberto is coming home.
- spatso

On another note.......... where is Jensen Beach. I used to live in Aventura.

Some of you guys just make stuff up so it is easier to believe what you want to believe. Florida is letting Clemmenson walk. They have an opening for a starting goalie. Roberto never wanted to leave S. Florida. He would love to come back. Florida has the deepest prospect pool of any team in the NHL. They are also a playoff team that will be even stronger next year. So, now you tell me where you think Roberto wants to end up.
- spatso

I never said that he's only going to the Leafs (and I don't want him: not ready for a run yet and not sure he's the guy who could carry us like a Quick/Brodeur/Thomas could).

Florida's certainly a ideal destination for him and his family, that's for sure. I'm only firm in my belief that Lou has to be moved, regardless, and that (and his NTC) make's Gillis' trade position weak.

(frank) I need breakfast.

South Hutchinson Island, 30 miles of magnificent beach. I am right in the middle (actually in Eastern Ontario right now, but will be back in S. Florida for beginning season.

Vancouver want a lot for Luongo, and I don't see the LEAFS giving them that.

hahah imagine getzlaf and perry were to come to toronto, that would be something else.... I can only imagine what would be going the other way though, since burke wont leave his old team empty handed. What would the price be to acquire both getz and perry though is the question.

1st Rounder 2012, Colborne, Franson, Biggs, Percy, kulemin, mac, ashton, holzer, 1st Rounder 2013 for perry and getzlaf, prob add in justin schultz right as well haha.



Kessel Getzlaf Perry

Lupul Grabo Kadri

Frattin Bozak Ross

Brown Steckel Crabbs


Gunner Phaneuf

Gardiner Schultz

Liles Schenn


Luongo
Reimer *** with trading for luongo
- Mapleleafs_91

LEAFS make the PLAYOFFS with that team.

Vancouver want a lot for Luongo, and I don't see the LEAFS giving them that.
- Thehabsfan93

The fans want a lot, think Gillis is a bit more realistic than that.

LEAFS make the PLAYOFFS with that team.
- Thehabsfan93

You think?

All we need is to somehow hotwire NHL13 into the psyches of the NHL GMs and we're all set; or maybe wear bras on our heads and hope for a lightning strike to hit just at the right time?

The fans want a lot, think Gillis is a bit more realistic than that.
- gravyface

The luongo situation is sort of like the Sundin situation. You have a GM that wants to trade a player but his hands are handcuffed. In the end, the player basically gets what he wants, and the team gets (frank)ed.

Not fair, but its reality

I never said that he's only going to the Leafs (and I don't want him: not ready for a run yet and not sure he's the guy who could carry us like a Quick/Brodeur/Thomas could).

Florida's certainly a ideal destination for him and his family, that's for sure. I'm only firm in my belief that Lou has to be moved, regardless, and that (and his NTC) make's Gillis' trade position weak.
- gravyface

Ok., I just don't understand how Leaf fans can will themselves not to see something. The mere fact that Tallon has allowed Clemmenson to walk suggests to me that they are intending to bring in a new starter. Last year Tallon brought in Campbell at a much bigger cost than Luongo (his contract is back end loaded). Because the Luongo contract scales down dramatically towards the end it is perfect for a team like the Panthers. It drives me crazy when Leaf fans pretend with each other that there are no options other than the Leafs for Luongo.

Ok., I just don't understand how Leaf fans can will themselves not to see something. The mere fact that Tallon has allowed Clemmenson to walk suggests to me that they are intending to bring in a new starter. Last year Tallon brought in Campbell at a much bigger cost than Luongo (his contract is back end loaded). Because the contract scales down dramatically towards the end it is perfect for a team like the Panthers. It drives me crazy when Leaf fans pretend with each other that there are no options other than the Leafs for Luongo.
- spatso

Jose will be your goalie along with that young kid you guys have. He is your future goalie.

Jose will be your goalie along with that young kid you guys have. He is your future goalie.
- faceto27

Actually thought Jose would be part of the price to Vancouver and Markstrom would slide in as back up.

Ok., I just don't understand how Leaf fans can will themselves not to see something. The mere fact that Tallon has allowed Clemmenson to walk suggests to me that they are intending to bring in a new starter. Last year Tallon brought in Campbell at a much bigger cost than Luongo (his contract is back end loaded). Because the Luongo contract scales down dramatically towards the end it is perfect for a team like the Panthers. It drives me crazy when Leaf fans pretend with each other that there are no options other than the Leafs for Luongo.
- spatso

most have blinders on... only know what Toronto is doing.

Brainwashed by the Toronto media.

I wouldn't be surprised if:

- Luongo to Red Wings
- Howard to Leafs
- MaximusAurelius

I'd be shocked.

I'd be shocked.
- robin_steele264

I'd be absolutely completely mind (frank)ed.

I'd be absolutely completely mind (frank)ed.
- yea-ok-buddy

He wouldn't be surprised though. Must know something.

Great article, the draft should be fun.

Ok., I just don't understand how Leaf fans can will themselves not to see something. The mere fact that Tallon has allowed Clemmenson to walk suggests to me that they are intending to bring in a new starter. Last year Tallon brought in Campbell at a much bigger cost than Luongo (his contract is back end loaded). Because the Luongo contract scales down dramatically towards the end it is perfect for a team like the Panthers. It drives me crazy when Leaf fans pretend with each other that there are no options other than the Leafs for Luongo.
- spatso

Theodore played pretty well and is still under contract for this year, but yeah, Lou to Florida makes a lot of sense too. I don't think it's the fans fault really: the media's almost exclusively been talking about VAN to TOR: why wouldn't we talk it to death?

Lou's contract is a solid 5.33M cap hit across the board; doesn't really tail off until year 8 (I think), but who knows? He could play out that entire contract. Certainly not unheard of, just look at Brodeur, Roloson, etc. Guys are going to play into their 40s nowadays if they can.

most have blinders on... only know what Toronto is doing.

Brainwashed by the Toronto media.
- jimmc7722

Or just don't care about other teams.

so berniers dozen games or so this year proves he is gonna be a starter?
if he comes cheap, sure, but I doubt he will and the Leafs simply can't be giving up anymore high picks . enough is enough
- Barx

No it's not going to prove he is a starter, but it proves that he has been better then scrivens at every single level. What I'm trying to say is out of Reimer, Scrivens, and Bernier, Bernier has the best shot at been a actual NHL starter. Honestly you have to be drunk to think otherwise.

Theodore played pretty well and is still under contract for this year, but yeah, Lou to Florida makes a lot of sense too. I don't think it's the fans fault really: the media's almost exclusively been talking about VAN to TOR: why wouldn't we talk it to death?

Lou's contract is a solid 5.33M cap hit across the board; doesn't really tail off until year 8 (I think), but who knows? He could play out that entire contract. Certainly not unheard of, just look at Brodeur, Roloson, etc. Guys are going to play into their 40s nowadays if they can.
- gravyface

The contract is actually pretty good for a top rated NHL goalie. He gets $6.7m for another 6 years and then it drops off to what is consistent for a back up. The cap is reasonable at $5.3m. Also, if he retires there is no ongoing cap hit.

Or just don't care about other teams.
- gravyface

I think there is some truth in this point. It may be the reason that others tend to be so dismissive of the Toronto point of view. How many times do we see Toronto listed as a possible landing place for a top UFA. But none of the top UFA's from any year, other than goaltenders, have actually signed with the Leafs.

No it's not going to prove he is a starter, but it proves that he has been better then scrivens at every single level. What I'm trying to say is out of Reimer, Scrivens, and Bernier, Bernier has the best shot at been a actual NHL starter. Honestly you have to be drunk to think otherwise.
- yea-ok-buddy

He is still a bit of a gamble. The Leafs cannot afford to take anymore risks with their goalie at this point in time

He is still a bit of a gamble. The Leafs cannot afford to take anymore risks with their goalie at this point in time
- faceto27

This is true, but as long as it doesn't cost anything more then 2nd round picks such as Lindback got, I am more then willing to give them because more then likely anyone picked with be a hell of alot worse then Bernier.

This is true, but as long as it doesn't cost anything more then 2nd round picks such as Lindback got, I am more then willing to give them because more then likely anyone picked with be a hell of alot worse then Bernier.
- yea-ok-buddy