Garon was included in the trade.

Canucks are going to get some great players for Luongo.
- Scooby_Doo

like schenn, gardiner (+ maybe schultz) and the 5th

Good to hear. I honestly think you guys could go for it again. That trade you made for Burns burnt eh!


Vice versa for you, anything you like/would trade for out of Toronto?
- Unholy_Forward

I was happy for it at first considering how badly we needed a big defensman, and a puck mover. Burns addressed both those needs.

However, it appears Charlie Coyle is turning out to be something real special. He coudl come back to bite.

I was happy for it at first considering how badly we needed a big defensman, and a puck mover. Burns addressed both those needs.

However, it appears Charlie Coyle is turning out to be something real special. He coudl come back to bite.
- sjsharks92

You are correct sir......... watched him all year on my sea dogs. He's gonna be a good one

I was happy for it at first considering how badly we needed a big defensman, and a puck mover. Burns addressed both those needs.

However, it appears Charlie Coyle is turning out to be something real special. He coudl come back to bite.
- sjsharks92

its ok, that has happened to us too many times

so MacKinnon would be ours







- peddy-93

PEDDY

I mean, he hasn't been the best goalie in the NHL like he was during the 2010 playoffs, but he sure hasn't been anything to laugh at.
- sjsharks92

trust man hes pretty bad, i watched a couple games of sharks here and there, he usually gets pulled alot no? Its a joke man, just cause hes a cup winner doesnt mean hes an elite goalie or has the potential to be great. He can never be compared to the likes of rinne, brodeur, miller, quick, tim thomas, kipper, price, lundquist, etc

its ok, that has happened to us too many times
- peddy-93

It wouldn't hurt nearly as bad if our cupboard wasn't so thin to begin with.

The fact that Sharks fans are still forced to cling to hope that Nick Petrecki pans out is embarassing.

Having the 17th pick in this draft should help though.

Here's to praying DW doesn't trade it in some garbage trade for nash. *fingers crossed*

I pretty much agree with you 98 percent. The only thing I disagree on is the age you're looking for an upgrade at. A 25-27 year old goalie is pretty much what Scrivens and Reimer is right now and trying to get a goalie who is proven better than two up and comers means giving up something decent in return. I just don't know how you get a proven goalie that young without it costing a lot

A proven goalie who is 34 plus would be a lot cheaper. LIke a Martin Biron type of guy
- Sheppy99

isn't reimer 23?

i'm looking at it in the sense that the leafs will be rebuilding for at least the 3 years. getting a 34 plus goalie is cheaper, but provides no back up, and leaves us with a 37-39 year old starter by the time the team is competitive, if neither reimer and scrivens pan out.

i'm only going for the 25 to 27 bracket, because it puts them 28-30 by the time the team is competitive. worse case scenario, a big trade chip if one of reimer and scrivens, pans out with said goaltender.

i realize the price in that bracket is big.. you're essentially looking at the schneiders, to the halaks.. but there's scenarios out there that might work in a long shot. st louis had elliot run almost every category in the league all season, but they still went with halak before he was hurt. they going to run with both forever? but if halak could be had for a macarthur/gunnarson/2nd rounder type package (just as an example).. i'd go for it. the neuvirth/holtby jam is appealling. there's bound to be opportunity somewhere.

Garon was included in the trade.

Canucks are going to get some great players for Luongo.
- Scooby_Doo

You guys are going to love Komiserek Rex

trust man hes pretty bad, i watched a couple games of sharks here and there, he usually gets pulled alot no? Its a joke man, just cause hes a cup winner doesnt mean hes an elite goalie or has the potential to be great. He can never be compared to the likes of rinne, brodeur, miller, quick, tim thomas, kipper, price, lundquist, etc
- Mapleleafs_91

Wouldn't even think to compare him to those guys. But he's still a good goalie.

I've already admitted I'm not high on him. But I also think he's a good goalie who could bring back the Sharks some excellent value and could be perfect for a team like Toronto that just needs him for the next 1-3 years to fill in until their rebuild is complete.

like schenn, gardiner (+ maybe schultz) and the 5th
- peddy-93

Canucks will sign schultz after the deal.

I was happy for it at first considering how badly we needed a big defensman, and a puck mover. Burns addressed both those needs.

However, it appears Charlie Coyle is turning out to be something real special. He coudl come back to bite.
- sjsharks92

Did he (Burns) do well this year? I've heard many good things about Coyle, so yeah that sucks for you guys.

Canucks will sign schultz after the deal.
- Scooby_Doo

Vancouver isn't getting anything.

Did he (Burns) do well this year? I've heard many good things about Coyle, so yeah that sucks for you guys.
- Unholy_Forward

11 goals, 26 assists, +8

He started off the year shaky, clearly took some time to adjust to the change of scenery. However, as the year went on he really started to improve his play and was making much better decisions at both ends.

In the playoffs though, he had 1 good game and 4 sub par.

I still think he's one of our most valuable pieces and should definelty be in the Sharks long term plans.

Here's the thing though, Vancouver makes the playoffs either way. So their season isn't riding on making a deal with Toronto (or anyone for that matter), it would just be nice and give us room to improve. Toronto has their work cut out without a #1 goalie so the weight is mostly on Toronto management to decide whether they're willing to take a serious and committed shot being a playoff team in a somewhat difficult division.
- sushi

Gee, you make it sound like Luongo is the only possible option!

Sure, Burke is under some pressure to see the Leafs into the playoffs, but I'm also guessing that Gillis is under much more pressure to win a cup while their window is still open for the next couple seasons. We both know that the Canucks have never had a better team than now and that their window won't stay open forever, especially with the Sedins only getting older. That said, if the Canucks are in "win mode" now, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to have $5M sitting on your bench every night, does it?

Furthermore, it also looks like the West is getting a lot tighter with Edmonton's rebuild, Detroit having LOADS of $$$ to spend this off-season, Phoenix starting to become a legit concern, Blue putting together a solid team, Chicago/Nashville/San Jose are always a threat and lets not forget the Kings etc . So again, does having $5M sit on your bench make sense?

What happens if Schneider makes it to July 1st unsigned and Luongo still hasn't been dealt?

Make no mistake about, it's in Gillis and the Canucks' best interest to move a goalie this summer and EVERYONE knows it! If Luongo is moved, Canucks fans should be happy that that contract of off the books.

PEDDY


- Unholy_Forward

UF

hows it going

isn't reimer 23?

i'm looking at it in the sense that the leafs will be rebuilding for at least the 3 years. getting a 34 plus goalie is cheaper, but provides no back up, and leaves us with a 37-39 year old starter by the time the team is competitive, if neither reimer and scrivens pan out.

i'm only going for the 25 to 27 bracket, because it puts them 28-30 by the time the team is competitive. worse case scenario, a big trade chip if one of reimer and scrivens, pans out with said goaltender.

i realize the price in that bracket is big.. you're essentially looking at the schneiders, to the halaks.. but there's scenarios out there that might work in a long shot. st louis had elliot run almost every category in the league all season, but they still went with halak before he was hurt. they going to run with both forever? but if halak could be had for a macarthur/gunnarson/2nd rounder type package (just as an example).. i'd go for it. the neuvirth/holtby jam is appealling. there's bound to be opportunity somewhere.
- joel878

Yeah I get the logic of what you're saying. If you are ok with paying the higher price tag, it could be worth it in the long run and we do have a back up contingency plan. Not to shoot down your ideas but I think out of Elliott and Halak, Elliott is still the expendable one and I honestly think he's a flash in the pan goalie until he proves himself again this year. He was also playing on an incredible defensive minded Blues team.

I don't mind getting Halak but I would be more open to a deal like that maybe in a year or two after what we know we have in Reimer and Scrivens, wouldn't you agree that in 1 short year we could gain so much more information on what we have rather than making snap decisions based on what if's and worst case scenarios now?

Chances are we aren't going to win the cup next year So why not find out what we have now and worry about giving up something significant for a goalie later? There will still be goalies available next year for the same price tags.

Vancouver isn't getting anything.
- Unholy_Forward

Like a playoff birth?

Canucks will sign schultz after the deal.
- Scooby_Doo

we're screwed

Gee, you make it sound like Luongo is the only possible option!

Sure, Burke is under some pressure to see the Leafs into the playoffs, but I'm also guessing that Gillis is under much more pressure to win a cup while their window is still open for the next couple seasons. We both know that the Canucks have never had a better team than now and that their window won't stay open forever, especially with the Sedins only getting older. That said, if the Canucks are in "win mode" now, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to have $5M sitting on your bench every night, does it?

Furthermore, it also looks like the West is getting a lot tighter with Edmonton's rebuild, Detroit having LOADS of $$$ to spend this off-season, Phoenix starting to become a legit concern, Blue putting together a solid team, Chicago/Nashville/San Jose are always a threat and lets not forget the Kings etc . So again, does having $5M sit on your bench make sense?

What happens if Schneider makes it to July 1st unsigned and Luongo still hasn't been dealt?

Make no mistake about, it's in Gillis and the Canucks' best interest to move a goalie this summer and EVERYONE knows it! If Luongo is moved, Canucks fans should be happy that that contract of off the books.
- As_I_See_It

Well stated. I agree with all of that.

Personally, if I was a Canucks fan, I'd care less about the value we got back for him, and more about the fact that we don't have to deal with that awful contract anymore!

Gee, you make it sound like Luongo is the only possible option!

Sure, Burke is under some pressure to see the Leafs into the playoffs, but I'm also guessing that Gillis is under much more pressure to win a cup while their window is still open for the next couple seasons. We both know that the Canucks have never had a better team than now and that their window won't stay open forever, especially with the Sedins only getting older. That said, if the Canucks are in "win mode" now, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to have $5M sitting on your bench every night does it?

Furthermore, it also looks like the West is getting a lot tighter with Edmonton's rebuild, Detroit having LOADS of $$$ to spend this off-season, Phoenix starting to become a legit concern, Blue putting together a solid team, Chicago/Nashville/San Jose are always a threat and lets not forget the Kings etc . So again, does having $5M sit on your bench make sense?

What happens if Schneider makes it to July 1st unsigned and Luongo still hasn't been dealt?

Make no mistake about, it's in Gillis and the Canucks' best interest to move a goalie this summer and EVERYONE knows it! If Luongo is moved, Canucks fans should be happy that that contract of off the books.
- As_I_See_It

you're bang on about everything.. but the market will really dictate what happens.

i guarantee gillis is feeling zero pressure to deal one of em. schneider is RFA. luongo is signed forever. he has nothing but time.

luongo will probably be traded in the end, but it certainly won't be for the salary + soup can everyone would have you believe it would be. gillis will tell everyone to (frank) off until someone ponies up something of significance.

11 goals, 26 assists, +8

He started off the year shaky, clearly took some time to adjust to the change of scenery. However, as the year went on he really started to improve his play and was making much better decisions at both ends.

In the playoffs though, he had 1 good game and 4 sub par.

I still think he's one of our most valuable pieces and should definelty be in the Sharks long term plans.
- sjsharks92

Of course, that happens. Yeah I find that you guys have a great regular season team but not something that is desirable going into the playoffs, correct me if I'm wrong.

How old is Burns anyways?

Of course, that happens. Yeah I find that you guys have a great regular season team but not something that is desirable going into the playoffs, correct me if I'm wrong.

How old is Burns anyways?
- Unholy_Forward

I believe he will be 27 at the start of next season. Sharks signed him to an extentsion before he even played a game with us.

Gee, you make it sound like Luongo is the only possible option!

Sure, Burke is under some pressure to see the Leafs into the playoffs, but I'm also guessing that Gillis is under much more pressure to win a cup while their window is still open for the next couple seasons. We both know that the Canucks have never had a better team than now and that their window won't stay open forever, especially with the Sedins only getting older. That said, if the Canucks are in "win mode" now, it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense to have $5M sitting on your bench every night, does it?

Furthermore, it also looks like the West is getting a lot tighter with Edmonton's rebuild, Detroit having LOADS of $$$ to spend this off-season, Phoenix starting to become a legit concern, Blue putting together a solid team, Chicago/Nashville/San Jose are always a threat and lets not forget the Kings etc . So again, does having $5M sit on your bench make sense?

What happens if Schneider makes it to July 1st unsigned and Luongo still hasn't been dealt?

Make no mistake about, it's in Gillis and the Canucks' best interest to move a goalie this summer and EVERYONE knows it! If Luongo is moved, Canucks fans should be happy that that contract of off the books.
- As_I_See_It

Was gonna bold my most favorite part of that post but turns out all of it is


I also laughed when he said the canucks don't have to trade Luongo........ Well his desirability is already pretty low......... so how much better will it be when 1 more year is ticked off his prime level of play? Good luck trading a 35 year old netminder with 8 or 9 years left on his deal

Yeah I get the logic of what you're saying. If you are ok with paying the higher price tag, it could be worth it in the long run and we do have a back up contingency plan. Not to shoot down your ideas but I think out of Elliott and Halak, Elliott is still the expendable one and I honestly think he's a flash in the pan goalie until he proves himself again this year. He was also playing on an incredible defensive minded Blues team.

I don't mind getting Halak but I would be more open to a deal like that maybe in a year or two after what we know we have in Reimer and Scrivens, wouldn't you agree that in 1 short year we could gain so much more information on what we have rather than making snap decisions based on what if's and worst case scenarios now?

Chances are we aren't going to win the cup next year So why not find out what we have now and worry about giving up something significant for a goalie later? There will still be goalies available next year for the same price tags.
- Sheppy99

agreed.

i'd put it more as whenever the opportunity presents itself. if it has to wait, it has to wait. the prices of goalies seem to shift so wildly though, if it could be done reasonably now, making something out of the stock pile of middle tier talent the leafs have, good call.

i don't really like going with the scrivens reimer combo at all, if it had to be done, i would live with it. but i hate it, think the team needs to make the effort to improve the combo in a reasonable fashion, if anything, just to help improve the developmental environment on the big club for the kids. getting annihialated on a nightly basis, isn't going to cozy them up to the nhl level, and really let them improve their games. but again, if it we're to happen. i'd live with it.

at the end of the day, i just hope the burke doesn't (frank) anything up. trading for luongo would be (frank)ing something up. he's far better suited for a team like chicago.