His big fat -13 says otherwise. Or did you miss that stat?
- HonkFortheGoose

he was on a bottom 5 team for 2 of those 3 years...

WOW... you are so short sighted its not even funny..

besides EVERYONE on here agrees that +/- is a completely useless stat.. keep sticking to those guns on your sinking ship!!

Man Columbus gets boned again.
- Gunner Staal

They're getting Schenn and Kadri though.


The new Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd.

Man Columbus gets boned again.
- Gunner Staal

ssshhhhh!!!!!!!


okay so Sharks add a 1st

I'm bored , I'm at work, I don't like Stasny or Roy

To MIN:
Thomas Vanek, W
12th overall pick
42nd overall pick

To BUF:
Charlie Coyle, C
8th overall pick
98th overall pick

if you want to change the "culture" of this team you need to fire Regier and Ruff

players come and players go , all they are is a number against the cap

you want change get rid of the guys that have been here for 14 seasons
- billyk

I got no problem with this. But if you're going to go big then Miller and his contract should be in the same conversation.

yea... look at the actual research I just did...

3 years is all that matters...
- JVince117

Really?


IMO the whole career matters.

His big fat -13 says otherwise. Or did you miss that stat?
- HonkFortheGoose

What do you have to say about Roy having almost DOUBLE the turnovers in 40 less games!!??

boy I hope he sticks around to keep getting assists to the other teams!!

They're getting Schenn and Kadri though.


The new Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd.
- dadeadhead

Schenn and Kadri are already being used multiple times for Staal, Suter, Parise, Nash, Lemieux, Gretzky, Orr, Howe, Messier...

you are such a poor sport its not even funny.... it is BLATANT right there that Stasnty is a better all around center it could sit in your lap and call you momma..

Just admit that you lost... tuck your tail.. and fight again another day.. WOW!
- JVince117

Either one of you going for the knockout punch here will be dissappointed. I'd talk less about who's winning and focus more on the debate itself. I think on one hand it's fair for Goose to say that since Stastnys production isn't 30% (+\-) better than Roy he isn't worth the extra 30% we'd have to pay him on a team thats already cap leery.

On the other hand, selecting 6-years of production to measure is a bit misleading, since Stastny is younger than Roy and hasn't played behind what Roy has at times in his career. 3-years is probably the better barometer, but still doesn't convince me he's worth the extra cash.

Really?


IMO the whole career matters.
- dadeadhead

If thats hte case then we should sigh Jonathan Cheechoo.. a former league leader in goals.. all that skill!

To MIN:
Thomas Vanek, W
12th overall pick
42nd overall pick

To BUF:
Charlie Coyle, C
8th overall pick
98th overall pick
- rcostel77

You want to give Vanek away for a 20 yr old with no NHL experience?

you are such a poor sport its not even funny.... it is BLATANT right there that Stasnty is a better all around center it could sit in your lap and call you momma..

Just admit that you lost... tuck your tail.. and fight again another day.. WOW!
- JVince117

I didn't lose. You want to pay a player 2.6 mil more per year for that difference in stats? It is not blatant. Blatant would be Roy vs Crosby. That's blatant.


And there's a way of trying to make a point without being so condescending about it, BTW.

I got no problem with this. But if you're going to go big then Miller and his contract should be in the same conversation.
- Pairo11

am all in on that conversation


If Broduer retires how about Miller to NJ for Zajac (If any team can play defensive hockey iand make Miller look good it's the Devils)

Either one of you going for the knockout punch here will be dissappointed. I'd talk less about who's winning and focus more on the debate itself. I think on one hand it's fair for Goose to say that since Stastnys production isn't 30% (+\-) better than Roy he isn't worth the extra 30% we'd have to pay him on a team thats already cap leery.

On the other hand, selecting 6-years of production to measure is a bit misleading, since Stastny is younger than Roy and hasn't played behind what Roy has at times in his career. 3-years is probably the better barometer, but still doesn't convince me he's worth the extra cash.
- nfph

Roy's 4M and Sekera's 2.75M actually allow us to gain 500K and open up a roster spot as well.

And we get Stastny for 2 years as opposed to Roy only 1 year.

he was on a bottom 5 team for 2 of those 3 years...

WOW... you are so short sighted its not even funny..

besides EVERYONE on here agrees that +/- is a completely useless stat.. keep sticking to those guns on your sinking ship!!
- JVince117

I could keep being subtle about it, or you both could ease up on the personal attacks, or I could get much more obvious about making my point.

Up to y'all.

Either one of you going for the knockout punch here will be dissappointed. I'd talk less about who's winning and focus more on the debate itself. I think on one hand it's fair for Goose to say that since Stastnys production isn't 30% (+\-) better than Roy he isn't worth the extra 30% we'd have to pay him on a team thats already cap leery.

On the other hand, selecting 6-years of production to measure is a bit misleading, since Stastny is younger than Roy and hasn't played behind what Roy has at times in his career. 3-years is probably the better barometer, but still doesn't convince me he's worth the extra cash.
- nfph

Agreed

he was on a bottom 5 team for 2 of those 3 years...

WOW... you are so short sighted its not even funny..

besides EVERYONE on here agrees that +/- is a completely useless stat.. keep sticking to those guns on your sinking ship!!
- JVince117

I'm done arguing with you. He's not worth it. Period. If the salary wasn't such a big difference, I'd be more on board, but it's not so it's a moot point.



Moving on........

Roy's 4M and Sekera's 2.75M actually allow us to gain 500K and open up a roster spot as well.

And we get Stastny for 2 years as opposed to Roy only 1 year.
- JVince117

You're paying one payer what you were playing 2 starters, so so what.

And you get 2 years of a worse contract, so again.

Really?


IMO the whole career matters.
- dadeadhead

You definitely have to take a "what have you done for me lately" approach, though. And with Statsny, the answer is "not enough".

If thats hte case then we should sigh Jonathan Cheechoo.. a former league leader in goals.. all that skill!
- JVince117

Are you serious?


When you compare players you use their whole career's IMO. You skew the numbers if you don't. Look at the whole picture.

You want to give Vanek away for a 20 yr old with no NHL experience?
- sambarugh

Don't forget about the $7m and better draft pick. Plus, what has Buffalo won WITH Vanek ? Not saying he's the problem but he damn well hasn't been the solution.

You want to give Vanek away for a 20 yr old with no NHL experience?
- sambarugh

For cap relief, a shake up of the core, the 8th overall draft pick, and a player that has shown a scoring touch as a big center on the World Junior Championship, collegiate, and junior level...yes.

Either one of you going for the knockout punch here will be dissappointed. I'd talk less about who's winning and focus more on the debate itself. I think on one hand it's fair for Goose to say that since Stastnys production isn't 30% (+\-) better than Roy he isn't worth the extra 30% we'd have to pay him on a team thats already cap leery.

On the other hand, selecting 6-years of production to measure is a bit misleading, since Stastny is younger than Roy and hasn't played behind what Roy has at times in his career. 3-years is probably the better barometer, but still doesn't convince me he's worth the extra cash.
- nfph

This is pretty much what I've been saying. The slight differences in stats just don't justify the extra money per year. Period. That's the same thing I've been saying the whole time.

Any chance Mark Pysyk is kept and then makes the opening day roster if two of Regehr, Sekera, Leopold, or Weber are dealt?
- rcostel77

I think he can take Webers spot away from him in mini camp w/o moving a d man

I think he can take Webers spot away from him in mini camp w/o moving a d man
- homiedclown

Pysyk needs to either play in Buffalo or play in Rochester, it's pointless for him to take Weber's spot in the press box.