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LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:02 PM ET
who would you rather have

parise OR nash OR weber OR enstrom

can only pick one

not asking about deals being made and people being traded...just seeing who you would choose.

- phi1671


1) Weber


2) Parise


3) Nash

4) Enstrom
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:02 PM ET
Parise and Weber. No question.
- coffee junkie



Parise OR Weber

now whom?
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:02 PM ET

- coffee junkie


What is so funny?

I understand the high cap hit, but the Flyers could definitely make it work. They have financial flexibility.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jun 15 @ 3:03 PM ET
The odds of JvR even being on the club next year are slim IMO.
- LordStanley88


If you trade him now, his value won't be very high. He needs to play through mid-year. If he excels - keep him. If he continues to just do OK, trade him. I think last year was the same plan, only the trade was disrupted by injury.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:03 PM ET
1) Weber


2) Parise


3) Nash

4) Enstrom

- LordStanley88



Parise
Weber
Nash
Enstrom
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:04 PM ET
If you trade him now, his value won't be very high. He needs to play through mid-year. If he excels - keep him. If he continues to just do OK, trade him. I think last year was the same plan, only the trade was disrupted by injury.
- leon neon


His value will only plunder further if he struggles next year.

LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:05 PM ET
Parise
Weber
Nash
Enstrom

- phi1671


Weber is a top 5 player in the game, along with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, and Stamkos. He's easily my preferred target.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jun 15 @ 3:06 PM ET
Weber is a top 5 player in the game, along with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, and Stamkos. He's easily my preferred target.
- LordStanley88


Not to mention, defense and not offense is the biggest development gap on the team.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:06 PM ET
Weber is a top 5 player in the game, along with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Giroux, and Stamkos. He's easily my preferred target.
- LordStanley88


yep...i understand...
it's going to be interesting
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 15 @ 3:07 PM ET
nash has to be the most overrated player in the league which is amazing considering he plays in columbus.
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:08 PM ET
nash has to be the most overrated player in the league
- OrangeBlack27


he could be but i think Shelley is underrated...
put them on the same line together and look out
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:11 PM ET
nash has to be the most overrated player in the league which is amazing considering he plays in columbus.
- OrangeBlack27


You have to understand that he has 90-100 pt potential playing next to a guy like Giroux.

Look at what he's done in Columbus with no supporting cast. He's the only guy on his team who defenses have to worry about, so they will often solely focus in on shutting him down. That wouldn't happen here, or elsewhere for that matter.

He's not as soft as JvR either. He throws his body around when he's going, and is a much better finisher. The fact that he's 6'4, 220 helps too.

I'd love to have him.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:11 PM ET
What is so funny?

I understand the high cap hit, but the Flyers could definitely make it work. They have financial flexibility.

- LordStanley88


Sure right now we have SOME.

In two years you have Schenn, G, Couts, and Read all needing new deals. Plus, you will need to give Voracek a raise at some point.

Do you think Nash's 7.8 would not affect these contracts?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 15 @ 3:12 PM ET
Flyers are one of seven teams that have had serious trade talks involving Nash according to the Columbus Dispatch.
- JFlyers00

LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:13 PM ET
Sure right now we have SOME.

In two years you have Schenn, G, Couts, and Read all needing new deals. Plus, you will need to give Voracek a raise at some point.

Do you think Nash's 7.8 would not affect these contracts?

- coffee junkie


Well, don't forget that some big contracts are coming off the books (i.e. Kimmo, Briere) in the next few years.

Also, JVR's sizable hit would be moved in the Nash deal. In fact, we'd really only being adding an additional 2 million if Bob were involved.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 15 @ 3:13 PM ET
You have to understand that he has 90-100 pt potential playing next to a guy like Giroux.

Look at what he's done in Columbus with no supporting cast. He's the only guy on his team who defenses have to worry about, so they will often solely focus in on shutting him down. That wouldn't happen here, or elsewhere for that matter.

He's not as soft as JvR either. He throws his body around when he's going, and is a much better finisher. The fact that he's 6'4, 220 helps too.

I'd love to have him.

- LordStanley88


so just playing with a better linemate will vault him 30-40 points in this era? lol
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 15 @ 3:13 PM ET
You have to understand that he has 90-100 pt potential playing next to a guy like Giroux.

Look at what he's done in Columbus with no supporting cast. He's the only guy on his team who defenses have to worry about, so they will often solely focus in on shutting him down. That wouldn't happen here, or elsewhere for that matter.

He's not as soft as JvR either. He throws his body around when he's going, and is a much better finisher. The fact that he's 6'4, 220 helps too.

I'd love to have him.

- LordStanley88


so just playing with a better linemate will vault him 30-40 points in this era? lol
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:14 PM ET
You have to understand that he has 90-100 pt potential playing next to a guy like Giroux.

Look at what he's done in Columbus with no supporting cast. He's the only guy on his team who defenses have to worry about, so they will often solely focus in on shutting him down. That wouldn't happen here, or elsewhere for that matter.

He's not as soft as JvR either. He throws his body around when he's going, and is a much better finisher. The fact that he's 6'4, 220 helps too.

I'd love to have him.

- LordStanley88


So would I but he has a bloated contract for too long and this team doesn't NEED more offense.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jun 15 @ 3:14 PM ET
so just playing with a better linemate will vault him 30-40 points in this era? lol
- OrangeBlack27


He has scored nearly 80 before, several times in fact.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 15 @ 3:16 PM ET
He has scored nearly 80 before, several times in fact.
- LordStanley88


Columbus is terrible, thats a place where careers die. Anyone who can be dominate there should be respected imo. I don't know if Nash is the answer for the Flyers but hes a very talented player who gets zero help.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jun 15 @ 3:18 PM ET
Well, don't forget that some big contracts are coming off the books (i.e. Kimmo, Briere) in the next few years.

Also, JVR's sizable hit would be moved in the Nash deal. In fact, we'd really only being adding an additional 2 million if Bob were involved.

- LordStanley88

Briere's 6.5 is not until the year after. And you have to replace Bob at about 1M so it is JVR 4.25 + Bob's.785= 5.1M vs 7.8= 2.7M. That is a fair difference when you still need to add to your D IMHO.

I'm not saying it is the worst thing that could happen but it is not the best when your team NEEDS to improve the D.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 15 @ 3:18 PM ET
He has scored nearly 80 before, several times in fact.
- LordStanley88


he's scored 70 or more points in exactly 1 of 9 seasons.
JFlyers00
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NYC (kill me) , NJ
Joined: 11.24.2011

Jun 15 @ 3:19 PM ET
You have to understand that he has 90-100 pt potential playing next to a guy like Giroux.

Look at what he's done in Columbus with no supporting cast. He's the only guy on his team who defenses have to worry about, so they will often solely focus in on shutting him down. That wouldn't happen here, or elsewhere for that matter.

He's not as soft as JvR either. He throws his body around when he's going, and is a much better finisher. The fact that he's 6'4, 220 helps too.

I'd love to have him.

- LordStanley88


I agree with this. Nash and Giroux could potentially form one the most dynamic lines in hockey. It would still be hard for me to swallow trading JVR, but if it can get done for Schenn, Bob, and a first I'm doing it in a heart beat. Columbus doesnt have much leverage now in my opinion, and Nash will be going to the highest bidder. I honestly see Nash going to the rags
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 15 @ 3:19 PM ET
Columbus is terrible, thats a place where careers die. Anyone who can be dominate there should be respected imo. I don't know if Nash is the answer for the Flyers but hes a very talented player who gets zero help.
- stveshdy


He's a 30-goal scorer.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jun 15 @ 3:21 PM ET
he's scored 70 or more points in exactly 1 of 9 seasons.
- OrangeBlack27

We traded Nash to CBJ last off season for Voracek the 8th overall and a 3rd rounder.
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