clueless?!? strong words from a guy who id bet the house doesnt know more about these players than isles management? unless you have scouted all these players, which you havent, and know how each of these guys, not sure how you can make such a statement....
- LetsGoIsles

Do the Isles even have a scouting dept anymore?

Join? You were in from the get go
- Cptmjl

Do the Isles even have a scouting dept anymore?
- Vukota

Bixill just posted the same thing a couple pages ago, still funny

No DP is our all star franchise goal tender
- Cptmjl

fixed

Wang probably said to Snow..."you get bring in a top 4 defenseman only if he costs under a $1 million dollars...remember I'm still paying my boy Ricky..."
- kear20

ya!!! probably!!!!!......*jackass*....

going to try to wrap up all those responses in this reply....


Garth: why shouldn't we. I get he gets blamed for UFA failures, but Garth wasn't the reason it was constantly made a punchline in then 90s. Reputation tarnished, stepped on, and put on fire by the owner debacles, Milbury and years of suckage while trading away futures.

Even if you didn't like him getting GM job, which was messy... look at what he inherited and who he has to work with. No prospects. Team sucked. Even trying to build out, lack of homegrown talent was the reason they were failing to press on further. So I agree when the team fell apart under Nolan/Garth and they went towards a rebuild.

UFA offers: He made top offers and many to prime targets each year. I know Botta has said differently. He is wrong...and has been wrong on a lot of items. I have argued this and cited those who have more talent than botta, myself and isles bloggers put together, who have repeated my take on this as well.

Venue situation matters. Long Islands fiscal situation matters. Fact team hasn't contended for playoffs matters. Reputation and history matters as well.

If we then assess rebuild we have to look at how long rebuilds take and compare:

Penguins took 5 years, had two generational players in Crosby and Malkin land there, and also had prospects. Say what you will but Tavares not a generational player.

So being at year 4 when Garth announced he would rebuild (2008 season and started with 2008 draft)... I think more time is warranted.

Do the Isles even have a scouting dept anymore?
- Vukota

Vukota you know very well Charles Jr and his pre-school friends are in charge of scouting.

Great another Grabner that is all we need
- kasperrko

A slick offensive forward who can shoot as well as pass the puck. Has great wheels and hands. Plays a gritty game.

not grabner like at all

Do the Isles even have a scouting dept anymore?
- Vukota

yes they do. My talk with Corey Pronman he cited it was one of the most efficient scouting systems he's seen. They have their scouts, part time bird dog scouts, chief scout, system and Garth. Their system is actually very robust and very deep in assessing these prospects.

going to try to wrap up all those responses in this reply....


Garth: why shouldn't we. I get he gets blamed for UFA failures, but Garth wasn't the reason it was constantly made a punchline in then 90s. Reputation tarnished, stepped on, and put on fire by the owner debacles, Milbury and years of suckage while trading away futures.

Even if you didn't like him getting GM job, which was messy... look at what he inherited and who he has to work with. No prospects. Team sucked. Even trying to build out, lack of homegrown talent was the reason they were failing to press on further. So I agree when the team fell apart under Nolan/Garth and they went towards a rebuild.

UFA offers: He made top offers and many to prime targets each year. I know Botta has said differently. He is wrong...and has been wrong on a lot of items. I have argued this and cited those who have more talent than botta, myself and isles bloggers put together, who have repeated my take on this as well.

Venue situation matters. Long Islands fiscal situation matters. Fact team hasn't contended for playoffs matters. Reputation and history matters as well.

If we then assess rebuild we have to look at how long rebuilds take and compare:

Penguins took 5 years, had two generational players in Crosby and Malkin land there, and also had prospects. Say what you will but Tavares not a generational player.

So being at year 4 when Garth announced he would rebuild (2008 season and started with 2008 draft)... I think more time is warranted.
- B.D. Gallof

But isn't it known Wang will not spend anymore until 2015?

going to try to wrap up all those responses in this reply....


Garth: why shouldn't we. I get he gets blamed for UFA failures, but Garth wasn't the reason it was constantly made a punchline in then 90s. Reputation tarnished, stepped on, and put on fire by the owner debacles, Milbury and years of suckage while trading away futures.

Even if you didn't like him getting GM job, which was messy... look at what he inherited and who he has to work with. No prospects. Team sucked. Even trying to build out, lack of homegrown talent was the reason they were failing to press on further. So I agree when the team fell apart under Nolan/Garth and they went towards a rebuild.

UFA offers: He made top offers and many to prime targets each year. I know Botta has said differently. He is wrong...and has been wrong on a lot of items. I have argued this and cited those who have more talent than botta, myself and isles bloggers put together, who have repeated my take on this as well.

Venue situation matters. Long Islands fiscal situation matters. Fact team hasn't contended for playoffs matters. Reputation and history matters as well.

If we then assess rebuild we have to look at how long rebuilds take and compare:

Penguins took 5 years, had two generational players in Crosby and Malkin land there, and also had prospects. Say what you will but Tavares not a generational player.

So being at year 4 when Garth announced he would rebuild (2008 season and started with 2008 draft)... I think more time is warranted.
- B.D. Gallof

Heard this before, there has been no progress. The one positive is we have more "prospects" most of which I feel aren't half as good as they are being sold to the fan base which is the norm for most clubs. They have to start showing some progress to warrant the term "rebuild". If anything they went backwards this year. Keeping Capuano as coach is inexcusable, I find it hard that Snow either wants to win or knows how with moves/non-moves like this.

But isn't it known Wang will not spend anymore until 2015?
- mighty13duck

well he still must get to cap floor. I know he had a poop fit on August 1st because his blowup caused a panic on Isles. They all feared they would not spend and lose players eventually. Garth snapped into action and tied Tavares into longterm contract which was very smart.

however, I do think he's calmed down. They will not spend, prob still to cap floor or near cap floor. BUT if the venue solves itself and they are winning... then will spend willingly.

Spending doesn't mean they won't look to get some UFAs. The good thing on a rebuild is that a lot of that young core not that expensive. So Charles forced to spend.

Do the Isles even have a scouting dept anymore?
- Vukota

im gonna go out on a limb and assume youtube isnt their head scout....

yes they do. My talk with Corey Pronman he cited it was one of the most efficient scouting systems he's seen. They have their scouts, part time bird dog scouts, chief scout, system and Garth. Their system is actually very robust and very deep in assessing these prospects.
- B.D. Gallof

Don't bother.. u are dealing with the "They Suk" crew.

Heard this before, there has been no progress. The one positive is we have more "prospects" most of which I feel aren't half as good as they are being sold to the fan base which is the norm for most clubs. They have to start showing some progress to warrant the term "rebuild". If anything they went backwards this year. Keeping Capuano as coach is inexcusable, I find it hard that Snow either wants to win or knows how with moves/non-moves like this.
- Cptmjl

Cpt: lets revisit this after this season.

Not happy with coach either.

im gonna go out on a limb and assume youtube isnt their head scout....
- LetsGoIsles

True internet access would cost too much.

Don't bother.. u are dealing with the "They Suk" crew.
- niteislander

going to try to wrap up all those responses in this reply....


Garth: why shouldn't we. I get he gets blamed for UFA failures, but Garth wasn't the reason it was constantly made a punchline in then 90s. Reputation tarnished, stepped on, and put on fire by the owner debacles, Milbury and years of suckage while trading away futures.

Even if you didn't like him getting GM job, which was messy... look at what he inherited and who he has to work with. No prospects. Team sucked. Even trying to build out, lack of homegrown talent was the reason they were failing to press on further. So I agree when the team fell apart under Nolan/Garth and they went towards a rebuild.

UFA offers: He made top offers and many to prime targets each year. I know Botta has said differently. He is wrong...and has been wrong on a lot of items. I have argued this and cited those who have more talent than botta, myself and isles bloggers put together, who have repeated my take on this as well.

Venue situation matters. Long Islands fiscal situation matters. Fact team hasn't contended for playoffs matters. Reputation and history matters as well.

If we then assess rebuild we have to look at how long rebuilds take and compare:

Penguins took 5 years, had two generational players in Crosby and Malkin land there, and also had prospects. Say what you will but Tavares not a generational player.

So being at year 4 when Garth announced he would rebuild (2008 season and started with 2008 draft)... I think more time is warranted.
- B.D. Gallof

Fair Enough, but Issue is unless PAP asking for the Moon & Stars why not give him fair market value and keep him? If they are throwing big contracts around to UFA's why be so cheap with guys who actually want to stay here?

well he still must get to cap floor. I know he had a poop fit on August 1st because his blowup caused a panic on Isles. They all feared they would not spend and lose players eventually. Garth snapped into action and tied Tavares into longterm contract which was very smart.

however, I do think he's calmed down. They will not spend, prob still to cap floor or near cap floor. BUT if the venue solves itself and they are winning... then will spend willingly.

Spending doesn't mean they won't look to get some UFAs. The good thing on a rebuild is that a lot of that young core not that expensive. So Charles forced to spend.
- B.D. Gallof

All joking aside it would be nice to finally see us going after some quality free agents. Any inside info about who we may be targeting?

yes they do. My talk with Corey Pronman he cited it was one of the most efficient scouting systems he's seen. They have their scouts, part time bird dog scouts, chief scout, system and Garth. Their system is actually very robust and very deep in assessing these prospects.
- B.D. Gallof

facts are not welcome here...youve been gone awhile but youll learn soon. its much easier for some to poke fun than acknowledge the reality of the situation

yes they do. My talk with Corey Pronman he cited it was one of the most efficient scouting systems he's seen. They have their scouts, part time bird dog scouts, chief scout, system and Garth. Their system is actually very robust and very deep in assessing these prospects.
- B.D. Gallof

Good to know, thanks

Fair Enough, but Issue is unless PAP asking for the Moon & Stars why not give him fair market value and keep him? If they are throwing big contracts around to UFA's why be so cheap with guys who actually want to stay here?
- Vukota

Maybe we trade PA's rights with a prospect and a pick for a D man?

Don't bother.. u are dealing with the "They Suk" crew.
- niteislander

Are you saying they don't suck?

Where does it say anything about the Wild and Islanders?
- Vukota

I was just saying there are a million stories out there.. not just the wild / Isles one... http://www.twincities.com...a-wild-might-look-move-up This is wild story. don't see isles mentioned

I agree plus its coming from Dave Maloney, so its not like its coming from an expert or anything
- Vukota

Dave Maloney is an Islander hating asshat that never got over the famous Ken Morrow OT game. Ef him. I can't stand that guy. Him and Milbury are the biggest d'bags affiliated with the NHL. At least Milbury can be funny sometimes.