Marleau isn't 35 lol, he's 32. Only Kovy and Ovi have scored more goals in the past 4 seasons than Patty. He's outscored Rick Nash every year of his career except for his injury riddled 07/08 campaign.

The dollars and skill sets make much more sense for these 2 players to be traded, with obviously something else coming from the Sharks side. Something like...

To Columbus: Patrick Marleau, Antti Niemi, Jason Demers, and a 2nd round pick

To San Jose: Rick Nash and Steve Mason

The big issue with trading Patty is his NMC he signed with new contract last year. His wife is from San Jose, he has played here his whole career and I don't see him waiving his NMC to go to Columbus.
- mxgsfmdpx

But the jackets want either pavs or couture (sp) I thought that's what I heard, who would you rather give up? I think you pass, sharks need to get younger, not trade away their young talent.

you can add a few more players to that list. Leino, Paul Martin and Connolly come to mind.
- tomburton99

Ales Hemsky and his 5 million per isn't on the list? JoBo, Cammalleri, Heatley, DiPietro are all stealing money from their organizations as well.

Vanek is making 7.1 million. While he is a 30-goal scorer, he doesn't hit 70 points it seems anymore. That is overpayment.

Ales Hemsky and his 5 million per isn't on the list? JoBo, Cammalleri, Heatley, DiPietro are all stealing money from their organizations as well.

Vanek is making 7.1 million. While he is a 30-goal scorer, he doesn't hit 70 points it seems anymore. That is overpayment.
- Oneonta Penguin

All very true...

All very true...
- JVince117

Your thoughts on Vanek would be ...

How much do you think he would or should earn based on his play? 7.1 million?

Thanks

Well...thats one way to put it, that injuries "ravaged" the Wild.

Not totally accurate. The goalie injury was the longest, but Koivu and others were just what happens through a season.

The Wild a "very good team" though, thats rich! Not really...they just came back to earth after a good start. Anyone that follows advanced stats know thats what happened, not the old injury excuse.

Just look at their early on shooting % Ek!

Marleau isn't 35 lol, he's 32. Only Kovy and Ovi have scored more goals in the past 4 seasons than Patty. He's outscored Rick Nash every year of his career except for his injury riddled 07/08 campaign.

The dollars and skill sets make much more sense for these 2 players to be traded, with obviously something else coming from the Sharks side. Something like...

To Columbus: Patrick Marleau, Antti Niemi, Jason Demers, and a 2nd round pick

To San Jose: Rick Nash and Steve Mason

The big issue with trading Patty is his NMC he signed with new contract last year. His wife is from San Jose, he has played here his whole career and I don't see him waiving his NMC to go to Columbus.
- mxgsfmdpx

not even close to enough. Columbus wangs two, young nhl talents, prospects and a 1st round pick.

Your thoughts on Vanek would be ...

How much do you think he would or should earn based on his play? 7.1 million?

Thanks
- Oneonta Penguin

No i think vanek is about a 5.5-6M per year kind of player... the only reason he has that heinous contract is because we had to match EDM's offer to him because Briere and Drury had already walked off the team. I personally think the 4 1st round picks would have been been much better building blocks.

I am NOT a fan of Vanek once so ever.. he is too small and fragile to play the banger and trash picker upper in front of the net like he does. He needs to just be a sniper because between him and Pommer.. They might be a top 3 sniper pair in the NHL.

No joke.. every time Buffalo was in a shootout.. Pommer and Vanek just skate down the ice without more than 1 deke.. and just flick the puck where they want it.. its hilarious.

not even close to enough. Columbus wangs two, young nhl talents, prospects and a 1st round pick.
- tomburton99

luke Adam, Brayden McNabb, and our 21st pick in the 1st round!!??

DONE DEAL!!??

Well...thats one way to put it, that injuries "ravaged" the Wild.

Not totally accurate. The goalie injury was the longest, but Koivu and others were just what happens through a season.

The Wild a "very good team" though, thats rich! Not really...they just came back to earth after a good start. Anyone that follows advanced stats know thats what happened, not the old injury excuse.

Just look at their early on shooting % Ek!
- vancitydan

Someone sounds a little nervous... scared of a little divisional competition ehh?

seeing as how they are different positions it would mess up both of their depth charts..

Cammallari and Jokinen are both centers in Calgary already so where does that put Staal. Cam can play wing too but he is not nearly as effective.

And another winger to Pit would really mess their chart up too.. When they put Malkin and Crosby together that would put Kennedy as their 2nd line center.. also where do you play neal, Kunitz, Iginla in that cluster with Neal, Kunitz, Dupuis, Sullivan, and Cook all playing LW.
- JVince117

Cammalleri is a forced centre. Too small. Better at wing.

Well...thats one way to put it, that injuries "ravaged" the Wild.

Not totally accurate. The goalie injury was the longest, but Koivu and others were just what happens through a season.

The Wild a "very good team" though, thats rich! Not really...they just came back to earth after a good start. Anyone that follows advanced stats know thats what happened, not the old injury excuse.

Just look at their early on shooting % Ek!
- vancitydan

they do have some very nice prospects, but do parise and suter really want to go to a team that is rebuilding and wont be contending for at least another year or 2

you dont go from 1st to pretty much worst in the west for no reason, sure they had injuries but so does everyone else, and harding and backstrom are known to have injuries (harding is now a UFA)

they may have alot of cap space now, but what happens if their prospects play to their potential, they will need to be paid too

seeing as how they are different positions it would mess up both of their depth charts..

Cammallari and Jokinen are both centers in Calgary already so where does that put Staal. Cam can play wing too but he is not nearly as effective.

And another winger to Pit would really mess their chart up too.. When they put Malkin and Crosby together that would put Kennedy as their 2nd line center.. also where do you play neal, Kunitz, Iginla in that cluster with Neal, Kunitz, Dupuis, Sullivan, and Cook all playing LW.
- JVince117

cammy's better on the wing, and joker is probably not going to be signed (and can't win a face-off to save his life)

cammy's better on the wing, and joker is probably not going to be signed (and can't win a face-off to save his life)
- numbear

I... like most of the hockey world... is under the impression that Jokinen staying in Calgary is almost a given.

they do have some very nice prospects, but do parise and suter really want to go to a team that is rebuilding and wont be contending for at least another year or 2

you dont go from 1st to pretty much worst in the west for no reason, sure they had injuries but so does everyone else, and harding and backstrom are known to have injuries (harding is now a UFA)

they may have alot of cap space now, but what happens if their prospects play to their potential, they will need to be paid too
- dmarsden2988

Agreed... Parise is like a shark that just got a whif of blood but couldn't make the kill... there are only a small number of "solid" contenders that he will be okay with leaving NJ for if he did indeed leave.

Boston, Chicago, Det, LA, NJ, NYR, Philly, Pit, SJ, and Van are really the only year in and year out solid contenders in my eyes... Wsh and NASH are close.

No i think vanek is about a 5.5-6M per year kind of player... the only reason he has that heinous contract is because we had to match EDM's offer to him because Briere and Drury had already walked off the team. I personally think the 4 1st round picks would have been been much better building blocks.

I am NOT a fan of Vanek once so ever.. he is too small and fragile to play the banger and trash picker upper in front of the net like he does. He needs to just be a sniper because between him and Pommer.. They might be a top 3 sniper pair in the NHL.

No joke.. every time Buffalo was in a shootout.. Pommer and Vanek just skate down the ice without more than 1 deke.. and just flick the puck where they want it.. its hilarious.
- JVince117

As someone who watches quite a few Buffalo games on MSG, I have Pommer's and Vanek's shootout move down pretty well. Agree with your thoughts. I have always been interested in seeing what Buffalo fans think of Vanek.

As someone who watches quite a few Buffalo games on MSG, I have Pommer's and Vanek's shootout move down pretty well. Agree with your thoughts. I have always been interested in seeing what Buffalo fans think of Vanek.
- Oneonta Penguin

Vanek has one heck of a slapper in the shootouts.

As someone who watches quite a few Buffalo games on MSG, I have Pommer's and Vanek's shootout move down pretty well. Agree with your thoughts. I have always been interested in seeing what Buffalo fans think of Vanek.
- Oneonta Penguin

Vanek is a 1 way player that gets hurt every time he tries to play Defense.. he is too small for the game he is actually best at... over 50% of his goals have been whil with a man advantage.. and all of his best seasons was when he was a 2nd/3rd line guy with oodles of talent around him going against another teams 2nd/3rd D pairing..

Now that teams know him and see him on the top line.. he is dwindling.

If Vanek's contract lasted more than through 2013 I would want to use the possible Amnesty Clause on his contract and just bury Leino in the minors.

Agreed... Parise is like a shark that just got a whif of blood but couldn't make the kill... there are only a small number of "solid" contenders that he will be okay with leaving NJ for if he did indeed leave.

Boston, Chicago, Det, LA, NJ, NYR, Philly, Pit, SJ, and Van are really the only year in and year out solid contenders in my eyes... Wsh and NASH are close.
- JVince117

the only teams i can see parise signing with are (in order) nj, detroit, la, vancouver and an outside chance of st louis

i cant see him signing with a diff atlantic division team, he already said no to the rangers, philly doesnt need offense, pitts well they cant afford him, the isles have the daddy played here and we are getting to the end of the rebuild

boston cant afford him, especially with thomas being on the books and not playing, (kelly's contract was rejected so they have to wait till july 1st to finalize it)

chicago i could see if they didnt have a big goalie issue

Vanek has one heck of a slapper in the shootouts.
- Dwight K. Schrute

yea... not even a question... him and Pommer just set up a goalie and blast it right by them... and they can't do nothing about it usually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT-mHqr2p_8

quick youtube search...

the only teams i can see parise signing with are (in order) nj, detroit, la, vancouver and an outside chance of st louis

i cant see him signing with a diff atlantic division team, he already said no to the rangers, philly doesnt need offense, pitts well they cant afford him, the isles have the daddy played here and we are getting to the end of the rebuild

boston cant afford him, especially with thomas being on the books and not playing, (kelly's contract was rejected so they have to wait till july 1st to finalize it)

chicago i could see if they didnt have a big goalie issue
- dmarsden2988

I agree with everything you said... I was just laying out the teams that I see as usual contenders...

How about Colorado?? even though they aren't contenders.. i for some reason can see them really opening their 40M free salary space to add him to be their vet presence with Hejduk set to retire in a year..

Landeskog, Duchene, Stastny, O'Reilly, and Parise is a pretty stellar group coming at you for years to come.. even Downie, Jones, and McGinn showed up big for them...

Vanek is a 1 way player that gets hurt every time he tries to play Defense.. he is too small for the game he is actually best at... over 50% of his goals have been whil with a man advantage.. and all of his best seasons was when he was a 2nd/3rd line guy with oodles of talent around him going against another teams 2nd/3rd D pairing..

Now that teams know him and see him on the top line.. he is dwindling.

If Vanek's contract lasted more than through 2013 I would want to use the possible Amnesty Clause on his contract and just bury Leino in the minors.
- JVince117

I don't think 6'2 207 is too small for the game. He does not miss hardly any games and he has not had a legit #1 center in years. I'm starting to wonder if you mean Nathan Gerbe?

wow i couldnt stop laughing at this

"Parise is a good player and he'll stay put. He's probably worth around $6mil, but every GM except for Ken Holland drives up their price (whick is not the same as value, highkartkid), so, I expect Parise to sign with the Devils for something like $7mil. He won't be a Red Wing and I'm fine with that. I want Semin. I've seen the best of Parise and the worst of Semin and come to realize that the worst of Semin is pretty darn close to the best Parise can do and that's scarry. All we need is a coach who could get Semin to play the way he can every game. He is enormously talented.

I agree with everything you said... I was just laying out the teams that I see as usual contenders...

How about Colorado?? even though they aren't contenders.. i for some reason can see them really opening their 40M free salary space to add him to be their vet presence with Hejduk set to retire in a year..

Landeskog, Duchene, Stastny, O'Reilly, and Parise is a pretty stellar group coming at you for years to come.. even Downie, Jones, and McGinn showed up big for them...
- JVince117

i think he wants to go to a team that is more set up for "now" then in a few years

I know like right. This guy almost makes Gomez look good. Notice I said almost.

- luckylouie

Heres a deal.. jay bo for gomez.. two ugly contracts swapped. and for good messure we will throw in a second round pick.

i think he wants to go to a team that is more set up for "now" then in a few years
- dmarsden2988

do you see my angle there though??

Everyone kind of forgets about how Colorado is a pretty nice little Hockey paradise to play in..

I think the Avs need to be in the next Winter Classic.. there was talk about the old rivalry of Detroit vs Colorado at the Big House this year before Toronto got put in instead.