yes it was, before he was traded to la the flyers offered him to wpg for kane and the 7th pick. vanek is overpaid
- flyerscup2011

Richards for Kane and the 7th overall pick

Just that its self..? yea I'd say no to that too.. Kane was 4th overall and a 7th. Thats a joke of an offer..

Kovy has had 5 75 pt+ seasons...

Giroux has only had 2.

Just saying... I'd take Kovy.
- JVince117

Giroux is also only 24 and has only played 3 full season 2 of which were 76 and 93 point seasons. That might be the stupidest statement I have ever heard.

Giroux is also only 24 and has only played 3 full season 2 of which were 76 and 93 point seasons. That might be the stupidest statement I have ever heard.
- baldo14

nope, saying weber and parise would be flyers by the end of this offseason was dumber.

kovy was playing with a herniated disk, even missed game 2

if the flyers played a team in the 1st round that decided to play some D and a goalie that could stop a beachball do you really think he would have gotten all of those points? realistically

when he played the devils the only time he was pretty much effective was on the PP
- dmarsden2988

i made no mention of his playoff performance where he (in 2 rounds) finished (i believe) 2nd in points. that 1st round was definately more of an exception than a norm. he, however, is a damn good player. he's our top pk, pp and center. kovy doesn't kill penalties too often, in fact he's usually used to be the guy coming out of the box on a bench minor. giroux is very yound and should be our captain soon. i'd never trade him straight up for kovy. that's my point.

To Columbus: Clowe, Murray, Niemi, 2012 1st rounder

To Sharks: Nash, Mason, + late round pick


Columbus gets clowe who is a solid 50-60 point per season man, Muarry who is a absolute BEAST on D, and Niemi a cup winning goalie...

Sharks get what they want plus the fans will see a shake up... Win Win

of coarse he is going to be cheaper right now, wait until he signs his first contract where he could be a UFA, that part is really not comparable
- dmarsden2988

he already signed his first contract 3.7 cap hit for the next 3 years

nope, saying weber and parise would be flyers by the end of this offseason was dumber.
- tomburton99

it's not stupid, it's just unlikely.

Giroux is also only 24 and has only played 3 full season 2 of which were 76 and 93 point seasons. That might be the stupidest statement I have ever heard.
- baldo14

Okay... Giroux stats are what htey are because he is a good passer..

Kovy is 31 and has potted a sh!t ton of goals... 38, 41, 52, 42, 52, 43, 31, 31, and 37 goal seasons.. Giroux hasn't topped 30 yet..

Alot of people can get assists.. but a guy that can pot that many goals I would take in a heartbeat.

PA Parenteau dished 49 assists this year but i wouldn't put him in the same breath.

it's not stupid, it's just unlikely.
- flyerscup2011

it's both.

nope, saying weber and parise would be flyers by the end of this offseason was dumber.
- tomburton99

Idk TB that was a pretty stupid statement.

i made no mention of his playoff performance where he (in 2 rounds) finished (i believe) 2nd in points. that 1st round was definately more of an exception than a norm. he, however, is a damn good player. he's our top pk, pp and center. kovy doesn't kill penalties too often, in fact he's usually used to be the guy coming out of the box on a bench minor. giroux is very yound and should be our captain soon. i'd never trade him straight up for kovy. that's my point.
- flyerscup2011

kovy was killing penalties all season, on the pk that set a record, he even scored a short handed goal vs the flyers, he was in top 10 i believe for short handed points, and he was also out in the last min defending a lead

and we all know giroux is great and all, his 5 on 5 play could be better though, it seemed like all his points came on the PP

Okay... Giroux stats are what htey are because he is a good passer..

Kovy is 31 and has potted a sh!t ton of goals... 38, 41, 52, 42, 52, 43, 31, 31, and 37 goal seasons.. Giroux hasn't topped 30 yet..

Alot of people can get assists.. but a guy that can pot that many goals I would take in a heartbeat.

PA Parenteau dished 49 assists this year but i wouldn't put him in the same breath.
- JVince117

Could Kovalchuck get Hartnell to score 37 goals? no shot he makes everyone around him better and he he scored 28 this year and missed 5 games hell throw up 30 gaols with ease next year

Idk TB that was a pretty stupid statement.
- FLYERSROCK!

of course it was. Kovi is older and was drafted earlier, But sying that the flyers can get weber and parise with only 9.5 million dollara in cap space runs neck and neck.

he already signed his first contract 3.7 cap hit for the next 3 years
- baldo14

how much was kovy's contract before signing with the devils?

you cant compare the two contracts right now it

of course it was. Kovi is older and was drafted earlier, But sying that the flyers can get weber and parise with only 9.5 million dollara in cap space runs neck and neck.
- tomburton99

Obviously you'd have to move salary elsewhere...

Okay... Giroux stats are what htey are because he is a good passer..

Kovy is 31 and has potted a sh!t ton of goals... 38, 41, 52, 42, 52, 43, 31, 31, and 37 goal seasons.. Giroux hasn't topped 30 yet..

Alot of people can get assists.. but a guy that can pot that many goals I would take in a heartbeat.

PA Parenteau dished 49 assists this year but i wouldn't put him in the same breath.
- JVince117

kovy is 31?

Could Kovalchuck get Hartnell to score 37 goals? no shot he makes everyone around him better and he he scored 28 this year and missed 5 games hell throw up 30 gaols with ease next year
- baldo14

If you are gonna use the term making people better around him... don't use Hartnell... the guy has put up 30 goals before in his career and over 25 goals numerous times as well...

If you are gonna argue that.. atleast throw out that Wayne MF'n Simmonds got 28 goals to beat his career high of 16 and 14 goal seasons.

how much was kovy's contract before signing with the devils?

you cant compare the two contracts right now it
- dmarsden2988

i can guarantee you it was higher than 3.7

kovy is 31?
- dmarsden2988

I was looking at espn at that moment and it said 31.. but NHL has it at 29.. interesting.

I'll go with 29 though.. which makes it even more remarkable by how much he has done in a short window... Girous has a lot of work to do in the next 5 years.

If you are gonna use the term making people better around him... don't use Hartnell... the guy has put up 30 goals before in his career and over 25 goals numerous times as well...

If you are gonna argue that.. atleast throw out that Wayne MF'n Simmonds got 28 goals to beat his career high of 16 and 14 goal seasons.
- JVince117

you can use whoever you want the point is Giroux is a top 3 player in this league

you can use whoever you want the point is Giroux is a top 3 player in this league
- baldo14

FALSE

in no order.. Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Ovie, H. Sedin are above him...

And even a good argument could be made for Toews, Zetterberg, St. Louis, Perry, and even Iginla or Staal.

Thanks for playing... remove the Homer glasses son!

of course it was. Kovi is older and was drafted earlier, But sying that the flyers can get weber and parise with only 9.5 million dollara in cap space runs neck and neck.
- tomburton99

Also saying that hed take the scorer over Giroux is stupid. If Giroux shot more he'd have just a many goals as Kovi.

Theyre 2 different players that shouldnt be compared.

Who would you choose to build your team around Giroux or Kovy?

Who would you choose to build your team around Giroux or Kovy?
- Flyfreaky

Giroux its not even close

i can guarantee you it was higher than 3.7
- baldo14

what do you think giroux will make with his next contract? one that is more based on performance