I'm not knocking Carter for taking a deal and expecting to be with the Flyers through that long term deal. However, the NHL is a business and thats why players have agents. The Flyers can sell him the world but if its not in the contract (which wasnt allowed, NMC) then Carter still needs to protect himself. Carter had to know that there was a possibility he could be traded.
- stveshdy

It was in the contract. And I'm quite sure Carter and his agent were aware of how it worked.

Obviously it was his word. Not on the contract. Theres a possibility that he could be traded because hes not protected.

Do away with contracts and do business in words now.
- stveshdy

One Season out of 11 was not protected. It's about the expectation, and why you sign an 11 year deal. Do you think Carter would have signed the deal that took him past this year, and gave up Free Agency if he knew there was a possibility he would be traded to Columbus?

It was in the contract. And I'm quite sure Carter and his agent were aware of how it worked.
- MJL

Okay. So my only point is I dont feel sorry for Carter. No one owes him an apology and he cant be pissed for being traded. The possiblity of being traded was there for the Flyers. Thats the risk of signing that contract.

One Season out of 11 was not protected. It's about the expectation, and why you sign an 11 year deal. Do you think Carter would have signed the deal that took him past this year, and gave up Free Agency if he knew there was a possibility he would be traded to Columbus?
- MJL

You cant tell the future. Thats the risk. Its a business.

Edit: So if Carter was traded to Detroit that would be okay?

We all know the Flyers need a #1 D man. They are hard to find and get. That said what would be your list of DREAM D men (don't need to be #1s but just to fill out the roster) for the Flyers?

My top 10 (considering cap hit and potential loss of assets to obtain them):

1. J. Shultz
2. Weber
3. Wideman
4. Garrison
5. Meyer
6. Burns
7. Seabrook
8. Sutter
9. Jackman
10. Kuba

Of course the list is pending on what you would need to give to get, but considering realistic expectation for trades/ signings (yes, I see the irony of saying realistic when this is 100% arm chair GMing at its best).........

Okay. So my only point is I dont feel sorry for Carter. No one owes him an apology and he cant be pissed for being traded. The possiblity of being traded was there for the Flyers. Thats the risk of signing that contract.
- stveshdy

you don't have to feel sorry for him. but it's bizarre to say he can't be pissed. i know i would have been.

Boowmeester wasn't a UFA when he signed his current contract.
- MJL

Yes, someone already answered...but hey always enjoy hearing from you.

He didn't in any way come off like a victim. He was screwed by being sent to a dreadful Orginization that is going no where, and had no chance of winning at any time soon. And he had every right to be unhappy being sent there, and letting mnagement know that he wasn't happy there. Every right in the World. He gave up any control he had over his own career to stay in Philly. It's amazes me how people judge from afar without putting themselves in another's shoes. And money has nothing to do with it. And money doesn't take away human emotions. Ridiculous.
- MJL

You must his PR agent...

you don't have to feel sorry for him. but it's bizarre to say he can't be pissed. i know i would have been.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I shouldn't use the word "pissed". He cant hold the Flyers at fault is what I'm saying bc he signed that deal knowing there could be a chance the Flyers would deal him. Even if the odds were 5% he would be traded.

you don't have to feel sorry for him. but it's bizarre to say he can't be pissed. i know i would have been.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

I would be mad too but truly, at the end of the day it's business....

Okay. So my only point is I dont feel sorry for Carter. No one owes him an apology and he cant be pissed for being traded. The possiblity of being traded was there for the Flyers. Thats the risk of signing that contract.
- stveshdy

I don't feel sorry for Carter either. That's not what it's about. But don't tell me he didn't have a right to be unhappy in Columbus and have a right to want to go somewhere else.

If anyone is amazed at any behavior on this site, I have to seriously question your ability to be cogent on any topic.
- Flyskippy

I am amazed how only a few (i'm not one of them) opinions count. It's scary...

We all know the Flyers need a #1 D man. They are hard to find and get. That said what would be your list of DREAM D men (don't need to be #1s but just to fill out the roster) for the Flyers?

My top 10 (considering cap hit and potential loss of assets to obtain them):

1. J. Shultz
2. Weber
3. Wideman
4. Garrison
5. Meyer
6. Burns
7. Seabrook
8. Sutter
9. Jackman
10. Kuba

Of course the list is pending on what you would need to give to get, but considering realistic expectation for trades/ signings (yes, I see the irony of saying realistic when this is 100% arm chair GMing at its best).........
- coffee junkie

I'm not going to give 10, but anything to change the subject.

1. Weber
2. E.Johnson
3. Myers
4. Yandle

I don't feel sorry for Carter either. That's not what it's about. But don't tell me he didn't have a right to be unhappy in Columbus and have a right to want to go somewhere else.
- MJL

I'm more trying to state that Carter cant hold the Flyers at fault when his deal was signed. There was still a chance he could be traded and as long as hes not protected the Flyers have that right.

I'm more trying to state that Carter cant hold the Flyers at fault when his deal was signed. There was still a chance he could be traded and as long as hes not protected the Flyers have that right.
- stveshdy

I understand...

You cant tell the future. Thats the risk. Its a business.

Edit: So if Carter was traded to Detroit that would be okay?
- stveshdy

I don't know. But I would speculate yes. It is a good team and a winning orginization. But I'm sure the shock of being traded from Philly after signing an 11 year deal would of still been there. And maybe even some disappointment in being traded.

I understand...
- phi1671

Hard to get the words out typing sometimes.

I'm more trying to state that Carter cant hold the Flyers at fault when his deal was signed. There was still a chance he could be traded and as long as hes not protected the Flyers have that right.
- stveshdy

As I said before numerous times. I have no problem with the Flyers deciding to trade Carter. It is a business. But the same goes for Carter. I have no issue with him being unhappy in Columbus.

As I said before numerous times. I have no problem with the Flyers deciding to trade Carter. It is a business. But the same goes for Carter. I have no issue with him being unhappy in Columbus.
- MJL

I have no problem with Carter being unhappy in Columbus. I think the Flyers cant be at fault when trading Carter was still an option in his current contract that he signed. Carter might not expected to be traded (based on words) but his contract says otherwise. The Flyers are going to do whats best for the team. Its a business.

I don't feel sorry for Carter either. That's not what it's about. But don't tell me he didn't have a right to be unhappy in Columbus and have a right to want to go somewhere else.
- MJL

Sure he had a right to be unhappy in Columbus. I'm sure there are plenty of players who get traded who are not happy. But I don't blame the Flyers for anything they did. Which I think you are basically saying.

I'm not going to give 10, but anything to change the subject.

1. Weber
2. E.Johnson
3. Myers
4. Yandle
- RooNosHockey

That's what I was going for

Hard to get the words out typing sometimes.
- stveshdy

i understand a lot of what people are trying to say. it's a message board, we all have our own opinions instead of agenda's.
once carter was traded he was no longer a Flyer. How he acted was CBJ's problem not the Flyers. It did validate to a small extent his behavoir that has been written about...

bring back the armchair GM's...
bring back Holik complaining...
That BeerFest HB style never happened....

oh wait, there is a new hockey season slowly approaching...
is it the trading deadline yet...

That's what I was going for
- coffee junkie

Moving on...

Hard to get the words out typing sometimes.
- stveshdy

every time i read some of these messages, i hear the Law and Order theme song

I don't feel sorry for Carter either. That's not what it's about. But don't tell me he didn't have a right to be unhappy in Columbus and have a right to want to go somewhere else.
- MJL

Carter had every right to be unhappy with what went down -- I would have been. But it's the way he acted when he got traded. He acted like a spoiled baby, and I completely understand why people would be disgusted with his initial reaction.