Well I'm the Mike Komisarek of my beer team over here so let me tell you I know a lot about Elisha Cuthbert and setting up pylons. I also know about making way more money than I should and having a few million people hate me.
- AdamFrench

you are my over sea's love, we are pen pals, but foremost...lovers in the fast lane.

Nope. I'm using it as an example to destroy you.

I was comparing you to Bobmac, and explaining that since you played a high level of hockey (Doubt it), that you must know more than him.
- jbold

So... Bob Mac thinks it was good trade?

Is this a serious response? Because here I was assuming that everyone who would bother to waste time debating hockey on the internet knew that plus/minus is a fake stat that proves less than nothing.

Tim Connolly could have been a minus 100 and it wouldnt give any indication of whether or not he was a good defensive forward.

Quick lesson: plus minus means nothing because if you are the best defensive forward on your team, you are going to be going against the other teams top offensive forwards nearly every time you are on the ice. Also, if your goalie sucks, your coach doesnt stress defense and you lose more games than you win, you will be a minus player.
- Jimmy_T

Fine, you understand what the meaning of +/- is....but clearly cant understand that Connolly is not a hard working, great defensive forward. He really isnt.

I mean, if he was a -100, it's pretty obvious that something is wrong with him.



You can compare his +/- stat to his other teammates. If everyone on the team has a good +/- stat, and he has a terrible one, than it's okay to judge and assume he's not that great in a defensive role.

But I agree, its best not to judge a player based on their +/-
- jbold

Sometimes it is but it also has a lot to do with whether or not the player plays on the pp or the pk. A player on the pk who isn't on the pp is going to have a worst rating than a player on the pp plain and simple.

So... Bob Mac thinks it was good trade?
- aminnes

I'm not surprised you missed the point. Really, not surprised at all.

I was actually expecting it.

Sometimes it is but it also has a lot to do with whether or not the player plays on the pp or the pk. A player on the pk who isn't on the pp is going to have a worst rating than a player on the pp plain and simple.
- maverickJ

Except you're wrong.

PK/PP don't matter when it comes to the +/-

Damn. Blues sign Chris Stewart to a 1 year deal.

thank you!
- noename09

IMO at the time BB should have signed Jason Arnott over Connolly...but what do I know

Are you joking?
Connolly has no work ethic. He stopped playing after he realized he wasn't on the first line.
- maverickJ

That is the dumbest thing anyone ever said. Be honest, how many Leaf games did you watch last year? Cause I watched 82 and got paid for it. I am also objective, I don't even like Tim Connolly that much, but the guy blocks shots, sacrifices his body and plays a mad D. No denying it.

I mean, if he was a -100, it's pretty obvious that something is wrong with him.



You can compare his +/- stat to his other teammates. If everyone on the team has a good +/- stat, and he has a terrible one, than it's okay to judge and assume he's not that great in a defensive role.

But I agree, its best not to judge a player based on their +/-
- jbold

http://ca.sports.yahoo.co...ts?sort=nhl.stat_type.104

That aint pretty for Connolly....considering the average +/- of the team....

Except you're wrong.
- jbold

It doesn't matter how good they are on the pk they are still going to allow goals while on the ice.

It doesn't matter how bad the pp is they are still going to score goals while on the ice.

I'm not surprised you missed the point. Really, not surprised at all.

I was actually expecting it.
- jbold

No i get it very well. I made a point, and you went after me rather then my info or point i was making.

Sometimes it is but it also has a lot to do with whether or not the player plays on the pp or the pk. A player on the pk who isn't on the pp is going to have a worst rating than a player on the pp plain and simple.
- maverickJ

No dude. Special teams do not effect the plus minus stat.

IMO at the time BB should have signed Jason Arnott over Connolly...but what do I know
- JIMI-JAMES

heck yes!

That is the dumbest thing anyone ever said. Be honest, how many Leaf games did you watch last year? Cause I watched 82 and got paid for it. I am also objective, I don't even like Tim Connolly that much, but the guy blocks shots, sacrifices his body and plays a mad D. No denying it.
- Jimmy_T

What Tim Connolly were you watching?

No i get it very well. I made a point, and you went after me rather then my info or point i was making.
- aminnes

Your info was "I played hockey, I know things".

That is the dumbest thing anyone ever said. Be honest, how many Leaf games did you watch last year? Cause I watched 82 and got paid for it. I am also objective, I don't even like Tim Connolly that much, but the guy blocks shots, sacrifices his body and plays a mad D. No denying it.
- Jimmy_T

I probably watched 60, maybe more. But I don't think you get paid for watching hockey. Especially if you like Connolly? He was by far our worst forward per pay. No heart what so ever. Soft on the puck, shied away from checks, Did not go into dirty areas at all.

It doesn't matter how good they are on the pk they are still going to allow goals while on the ice.

It doesn't matter how bad the pp is they are still going to score goals while on the ice.
- maverickJ

And this affects the +/- how?

That is the dumbest thing anyone ever said. Be honest, how many Leaf games did you watch last year? Cause I watched 82 and got paid for it. I am also objective, I don't even like Tim Connolly that much, but the guy blocks shots, sacrifices his body and plays a mad D. No denying it.
- Jimmy_T

the guy floats, dosnt work hard, was one of few vets on the team and showed little emotion or care that the team was sinking hard and dosnt block shots, hes just too lazy to get out of the way.

since playing hockey seems to be the criteria for placing value on an opinion then this bear knows more than the entire lot of us combined



EDIT: wtf is the ref doing with a stick?

No dude. Special teams do not effect the plus minus stat.
- Jimmy_T

Really? I don't pay attention to that stat I just kind of assumed. Makes sense though.

Just want to weigh in here. Connolly had great hands and he used to be able to wheel, particulary when he felt inclined to get into the game. He also disappeared for extended periods of time.

He has no leadership, as far as I can tell; he speaks poorly infront of the camera and doesn't seem to voice a very strong opinion. He's indifferent.

At any point in time he can show that he still has talent, but he's aged a lot and those injures have only hampered him further.

Burke went out and picked him up beacuse he was cheap, a gamble (Burke likes to gamble) and the risk was worth the potential upside. At least his contract is done this year.

As far as Ashton goes.. He's young, probably spend two more years in the AHL. Burke likely traded Aulie BECAUSE Aulie would have demanded a decent salary in the futrue. Considering that Ashton won't be looking at millions any time soon - and we have quite a few young defensemen - maybe it was a smart move...

Time will tell

Tim Connolly had 76 blocks in 71 games lol


That's basically 1 a game. And I can bet money on it, that if you go back and watch the game, most of them were because he was on the PK and the shot ended up hitting him, he didnt mean to block it..

And this affects the +/- how?
- jbold

Yeah I didn't know that it didn't effect the +/-. My bad.

the guy floats, dosnt work hard, was one of few vets on the team and showed little emotion or care that the team was sinking hard and dosnt block shots, hes just too lazy to get out of the way.
- noename09

I am sorry, but you guys are wrong. Connolly only looks lazy because hes a bad (for the NHL) skater. He only has "no heart" because he is an over paid scapegoat on a losing team. The whole "no heart" thing is dumb. Just cause a guy doesnt fight or throw fits doesnt mean he doesnt care. The only reason people are hating on TC is because he give you 45 points when he has 70 point skill. So I get that he's over paid, I don't disagree. Its just you are basing his defensive accumen on a consensus perception that has nothing to do with reality.