good point.. if you are going to take a gamble anyways, might as well gamble on something the leafs need
- Dozzer

It's the same thing with Grigorenko. Everybody says he is talented beyond belief but he only plays when he wants to. Well, that sounds like Viktor Kozlov and Kozlov was a 2nd liner. Not because of the talent but because of the work ethic. Then the question becomes, what do you want, a talented, lazy 2nd liner or a hard working 2nd liner? You look at successful teams lately and they all have hard working, two-way centers with size. That's Faksa.

False. There is only 24 hours in one day.
- Unholy_Forward

No he literally argued about that for 70 hrs in 1 day.

And because Dumba is such a risky player, he could be a 2nd pairing defender instead of a 1st pairing defender. See how easy that is to do? You want to limit Faksa's potential, I can limit Dumba's. The difference is that Faksa is what we need.
- Unholy_Goalie

No, Galchenyuk is what we need. A trade up is the answer, not a trade down. Outside of Gardiner, everyone else is available. People who want to move Gardiner also must realize that it would nullify any chance of getting Schultz. On Faska, the only way we trade down, is if we get a pick around 8 and another pick in the first round. Washington comes to mind, at 9(Colorado's) and the later pick of their own. That may be doable, but I think Faska goes at 8 to Carolina.

No he literally argued about that for 70 hrs in 1 day.
- yea-ok-buddy

So he's God?

It's the same thing with Grigorenko. Everybody says he is talented beyond belief but he only plays when he wants to. Well, that sounds like Viktor Kozlov and Kozlov was a 2nd liner. Not because of the talent but because of the work ethic. Then the question becomes, what do you want, a talented, lazy 2nd liner or a hard working 2nd liner? You look at successful teams lately and they all have hard working, two-way centers with size. That's Faksa.
- Unholy_Goalie

2 way centres with size are a major organizational need for the leafs without question

thats exactly why i said to you a few days ago.. i would love it if burke could swing a deal to land him a pick that would allow him to grab both faksa and gaunce..

strong two way centres with size

it would immediately upgrade the leafs talent pool depth at the centre position

No, Galchenyuk is what we need. A trade up is the answer, not a trade down. Outside of Gardiner, everyone else is available. People who want to move Gardiner also must realize that it would nullify any chance of getting Schultz. On Faska, the only way we trade down, is if we get a pick around 8 and another pick in the first round. Washington comes to mind, at 9(Colorado's) and the later pick of their own. That may be doable, but I think Faska goes at 8 to Carolina.
- PrinceLH

Stop it, just follow suit!

*prostrates*

No, Galchenyuk is what we need. A trade up is the answer, not a trade down. Outside of Gardiner, everyone else is available. People who want to move Gardiner also must realize that it would nullify any chance of getting Schultz. On Faska, the only way we trade down, is if we get a pick around 8 and another pick in the first round. Washington comes to mind, at 9(Colorado's) and the later pick of their own. That may be doable, but I think Faska goes at 8 to Carolina.
- PrinceLH

A trade down would get us some more picks. Why do we need another d prospect? Trade down, take Faska and keep the rebuild going.

2 way centres with size are a major organizational need for the leafs without question

thats exactly why i said to you a few days ago.. i would love it if burke could swing a deal to land him a pick that would allow him to grab both faksa and gaunce..

strong two way centres with size

it would immediately upgrade the leafs talent pool depth at the centre position
- Dozzer

The ship to acquire a player like Galchenyuk has most likely sailed. To move up and get him would cost a fortune. Their best bet is to make responsible, safe picks and hope to get a better pick next year, in a deeper draft too.

2 way centres with size are a major organizational need for the leafs without question

thats exactly why i said to you a few days ago.. i would love it if burke could swing a deal to land him a pick that would allow him to grab both faksa and gaunce..

strong two way centres with size

it would immediately upgrade the leafs talent pool depth at the centre position
- Dozzer

If you could do that, yea... but, say you trade with Washington for 11th and 19th... how do you know either will still be there?

he won't even do that. He'll one player comparison from one report, ignore everything else, and build his opinion based on that.
- Schenn-Sational!

"Oh, this player is projected to play like this guy? Yeah, I now know everything about him."

"Oh, this player is projected to play like this guy? Yeah, I now know everything about him."
- jbold

I'm surprised he hasn't brought up Subban's personality issues as a slight to Dumba yet.

oh poop, he's looking.

*prostrates harder*

No, Galchenyuk is what we need.
- PrinceLH

We've been over this. Columbus and Montreal need him just as bad if not worse than the Leafs do. Absolutely no way they give that up unless you grossly overpay for it. And you say Gardiner is untouchable? Well, that's the kind of overpayment those teams want to make a deal.

So take your pick, give up Gardiner and trade up for Galchenyuk or keep Gardiner, trade down a little, get more picks and draft high again next year?

I'm surprised he hasn't brought up Subban's personality issues as a slight to Dumba yet.

oh poop, he's looking.

*prostrates harder*
- Schenn-Sational!

The ship to acquire a player like Galchenyuk has most likely sailed. To move up and get him would cost a fortune. Their best bet is to make responsible, safe picks and hope to get a better pick next year, in a deeper draft too.
- Unholy_Goalie

makes sense really. address organizational depth issues, and allow the players to compete with each other for positions on the depth chart.. would push them to reach their ceilings rather than not have anyone in the system challenging for their spot on the prospect depth chart

We've been over this. Columbus and Montreal need him just as bad if not worse than the Leafs do. Absolutely no way they give that up unless you grossly overpay for it. And you say Gardiner is untouchable? Well, that's the kind of overpayment those teams want to make a deal.

So take your pick, give up Gardiner and trade up for Galchenyuk or keep Gardiner, trade down a little, get more picks and draft high again next year?
- Unholy_Goalie

Cute how you think the Leafs will tank next season.



Sorry UG, but just because you want them to tank, doesn't mean they will.

If you could do that, yea... but, say you trade with Washington for 11th and 19th... how do you know either will still be there?
- Schenn-Sational!

wondered that myself.. i think those picks are a touch too late to get both tho

We've been over this. Columbus and Montreal need him just as bad if not worse than the Leafs do. Absolutely no way they give that up unless you grossly overpay for it. And you say Gardiner is untouchable? Well, that's the kind of overpayment those teams want to make a deal.

So take your pick, give up Gardiner and trade up for Galchenyuk or keep Gardiner, trade down a little, get more picks and draft high again next year?
- Unholy_Goalie

Now you're just spewing out bs.

Cute how you think the Leafs will tank next season.


- jbold

We will.

We will.
- Unholy_Forward

Funny how you say that before free agency and draft day.

wondered that myself.. i think those picks are a touch too late to get both tho
- Dozzer

Tampa is at 10 and 19 I believe.

Funny how you say that before free agency and draft day.
- jbold

We'll see in a year.

We'll see in a year.
- Unholy_Forward

Okay.

We've been over this. Columbus and Montreal need him just as bad if not worse than the Leafs do. Absolutely no way they give that up unless you grossly overpay for it. And you say Gardiner is untouchable? Well, that's the kind of overpayment those teams want to make a deal.

So take your pick, give up Gardiner and trade up for Galchenyuk or keep Gardiner, trade down a little, get more picks and draft high again next year?
- Unholy_Goalie

Our biggest need is Grade A prospects. We're not going anywhere, until 1st line centre is filled. Some will say goaltending, but I don't think that it's as bad as most people think. Shore up the Defence, plug up the centre position, with a Grade A prospect and then you may consider moving forward.

Now you're just spewing out bs.
- yea-ok-buddy

not necesarily

he is saying that there will be too crowded a market to trade up this year due to the lack of certainty in the prospect pool

so his argument is, draft well.. perhaps even drop back to gain a pick, and play the youth and if they dont suceed its not as big a deal.. the youth would gain experience and they get a nice high pick in a prospective deep draft

We will.
- Unholy_Forward

Even if we go into next season with the same team plus Scrivens we wont do as bad as this year.