At this stage in the game, even if he fixes his head, how many years does he have left? He's not 35 but he's not 21 either. The Leafs would be better off selling high with Phaneuf too.
- Unholy_Goalie

A first and a B-prospect would gett'er done.

Pronger > Phaneuf


I think I missed a few >'s.
- Unholy_Forward

no you didnt... one is enough to make the point

no you didnt... one is enough to make the point
- Dozzer

Not really.

1st line centers. Not 2nd line. Draft BPA, don't give up talent just for positional need. Fill that position later through trade.

Think of Pittsburgh, did they draft a d-man just because they already had Malkin? Nope, went for Crosby. Did they draft one when they had Crosby & Malkin? nope, they went for Staal. Know why?

(here's a hint... the acronym starts with a B, ends with an A, and has the letter after O in the middle)
- Schenn-Sational!

Comparing Pittsburgh, Crosby and Malkin to the Leafs with Dumba and Phaneuf is hilarious. It's not even close to the same scenario. I know you would blindly believe Dumba is THAT good but he's not. Come back to reality. If Dumba is the next Norris winner, why can't Faksa be a 1st line center? Does Faksa work too hard to be a 1st liner?

Not really.
- jbold

try just bolding it next time

His smarts? Have you even watched this guy play? He's a maverick. He will bust out of the zone like he's going to take on the world. Most of the time he gets away with it but there are a lot of times when he loses the puck or goes head hunting like his Godfather Phaneuf and misses by a mile.

You seem to think I absolutely hate this guy. I don't. Dumba has got some talents. But he's undersized for the style of game he wants to play and right now he's succeeding because his skating gets him out of trouble. Against smarter players, at higher levels, that style of play will blow up in his face more oftne than it does now.

The Leafs need a center. That's a fact. Burke said he's going to target a center. That's a fact. Taking Dumba is just unnecessary. Period. There's only one defender worth taking and that's Murray. Outside of that, the Leafs need a center.
- Unholy_Goalie

You've called him mindless and stupid a number of times. Kinda lends the impression that no, you don't like him. Especially when every. single. report. compliments his defensive skills and hockey smarts.

try just bolding it next time
- Dozzer

Oh that's true. Good idea.


And under lining it.

no you didnt... one is enough to make the point
- Dozzer

We are on HB.

You've called him mindless and stupid a number of times. Kinda lends the impression that no, you don't like him. Especially when every. single. report. compliments his defensive skills and hockey smarts.
- Schenn-Sational!

What's the point in talking about prospects with UG?

He's never seen them play. You can bet that he's never watched Dumba play more then 2 times.

He'll read scouting reports on them and that's it

Not really.
- jbold

HI




jk




Love the new avatar.

You've called him mindless and stupid a number of times. Kinda lends the impression that no, you don't like him. Especially when every. single. report. compliments his defensive skills and hockey smarts.
- Schenn-Sational!

Because he gets tunnel vision, both offensively and defensively, the same way Phaneuf does. It's a stupid way to play the game at the NHL level unless you're Bobby Orr and can pull it off. Hint: Very few ever do. Half the praise he gets for his "defensive" play is because he hits so often and so hard. People see a guy who hits and they think "oh wow, he must play good defensively". Just like they do with Phaneuf. It's not that I don't like Dumba. It's that I don't like him AS MUCH AS YOU DO so much so that the Leafs ignore their needs.

Comparing Pittsburgh, Crosby and Malkin to the Leafs with Dumba and Phaneuf is hilarious. It's not even close to the same scenario. I know you would blindly believe Dumba is THAT good but he's not. Come back to reality. If Dumba is the next Norris winner, why can't Faksa be a 1st line center? Does Faksa work too hard to be a 1st liner?
- Unholy_Goalie

You're the only one bringing up Phaneuf. Stop doing that.
You're also the only one bringing up trophies.

I'm pointing out that winning teams go for the BPA, they don't draft based on needs. Dumba, given his skill-set, is the better player... even if you think a guy who's potential is a 2nd line center(assuming he even winds up a center) is a better fit for a team that already has 2nd line Cs... You're still letting skill and value go. Value that can be used to make a trade for a top line center later.

Oh that's true. Good idea.


And under lining it.
- jbold

yup and that wont (frank) up the page

What's the point in talking about prospects with UG?

He's never seen them play. You can bet that he's never watched Dumba play more then 2 times.

He'll read scouting reports on them and that's it
- jbold

There's a difference?

There's a difference?
- Unholy_Forward

Not to UG.

We are on HB.
- Unholy_Forward

i still dont want to look at that nonsense lol

You're the only one bringing up Phaneuf. Stop doing that.
You're also the only one bringing up trophies.

I'm pointing out that winning teams go for the BPA, they don't draft based on needs. Dumba, given his skill-set, is the better player... even if you think a guy who's potential is a 2nd line center(assuming he even winds up a center) is a better fit for a team that already has 2nd line Cs... You're still letting skill and value go. Value that can be used to make a trade for a top line center later.
- Schenn-Sational!

And because Dumba is such a risky player, he could be a 2nd pairing defender instead of a 1st pairing defender. See how easy that is to do? You want to limit Faksa's potential, I can limit Dumba's. The difference is that Faksa is what we need.

yup and that wont (frank) up the page
- Dozzer

Way to beat around the bush.

Could have just told me that it (frank)ed up the page and that I can just use 5 of them and than square 'em.

And because Dumba is such a risky player, he could be a 2nd pairing defender instead of a 1st pairing defender. See how easy that is to do? You want to limit Faksa's potential, I can limit Dumba's. The difference is that Faksa is what we need.
- Unholy_Goalie

good point.. if you are going to take a gamble anyways, might as well gamble on something the leafs need

Because he gets tunnel vision, both offensively and defensively, the same way Phaneuf does. It's a stupid way to play the game at the NHL level. Half the praise he gets for his "defensive" play is because he hits so often and so hard. People see a guy who hits and they think "oh wow, he must play good defensively". Just like they do with Phaneuf. It's not that I don't like Dumba. It's that I don't like him AS MUCH AS YOU DO so much so that the Leafs ignore their needs.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm sorry, I keep forgetting that you know more than everyone else. They're all blinded by the fact that he throws hits, only you know the truth.

*prostrates*

Way to beat around the bush.

Could have just told me that it (frank)ed up the page and that I can just use 5 of them and than square 'em.
- Unholy_Forward

Comparing Pittsburgh, Crosby and Malkin to the Leafs with Dumba and Phaneuf is hilarious. It's not even close to the same scenario. I know you would blindly believe Dumba is THAT good but he's not. Come back to reality. If Dumba is the next Norris winner, why can't Faksa be a 1st line center? Does Faksa work too hard to be a 1st liner?
- Unholy_Goalie

UG I remember one day you spent 70 hrs comparing Burke and Bowman.

Not to UG.
- jbold

Interesting.

UG I remember one day you spent 70 hrs comparing Burke and Bowman.
- yea-ok-buddy

False. There is only 24 hours in one day.

What's the point in talking about prospects with UG?

He's never seen them play. You can bet that he's never watched Dumba play more then 2 times.

He'll read scouting reports on them and that's it
- jbold

he won't even do that. He'll one player comparison from one report, ignore everything else, and build his opinion based on that.