Deroit is a possbility, but I really do feel as though they will get Semin. Just seems like the perfect fit.

Probably Suter too.
- LordStanley88

Will see. I'm ready to see what the Flyers do here in the offseason.

The Kings had a fantastic breakout structure. Would really like to see the Flyers get to that level in that area.
- MJL

THIS

Their puck movement in general was nothing short of superb

Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post
When you figure out why they were traded, explain it to me, would ya? Because it blows. It sucked the day it happened, and it still does. The heart of the Flyers was yanked out one day last June, and shipped out west. He brought a winning mentality and a 'leave it all on the ice' approach to the game to a young team that saw how he played and applied it to their games. Both he and Carter were instrumental in LA's Cup run - not only for what they did on the ice, but the attitude needed and the experience of going through it before.

If the Flyers win the Cup in the next year or two, this won't hurt so badly. I'm not holding my breath - there are still a lot of pieces that need to be put in place, and Bryz has to not suck, before the Flyers can come close to winning.

The Kings (and a few recent other Cup winners) put a core group of young players together and had the patience to go through growing pains with them. When the time was right, they tweaked their roster slightly, adding veterans where necessary and team first players that fit into their team identity. And they won. The Flyers have never shown that patience and we're a long way away from it today.

Will see. I'm ready to see what the Flyers do here in the offseason.
- stveshdy

Agreed. Lots of rumors and big names flying around.

Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post
When you figure out why they were traded, explain it to me, would ya? Because it blows. It sucked the day it happened, and it still does. The heart of the Flyers was yanked out one day last June, and shipped out west. He brought a winning mentality and a 'leave it all on the ice' approach to the game to a young team that saw how he played and applied it to their games. Both he and Carter were instrumental in LA's Cup run - not only for what they did on the ice, but the attitude needed and the experience of going through it before.

If the Flyers win the Cup in the next year or two, this won't hurt so badly. I'm not holding my breath - there are still a lot of pieces that need to be put in place, and Bryz has to not suck, before the Flyers can come close to winning.

The Kings (and a few recent other Cup winners) put a core group of young players together and had the patience to go through growing pains with them. When the time was right, they tweaked their roster slightly, adding veterans where necessary and team first players that fit into their team identity. And they won. The Flyers have never shown that patience and we're a long way away from it today.
- Feeling_Glucky

From the fan whose franchise currently has the longest playoff drought in the sport...

Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post
When you figure out why they were traded, explain it to me, would ya? Because it blows. It sucked the day it happened, and it still does. The heart of the Flyers was yanked out one day last June, and shipped out west. He brought a winning mentality and a 'leave it all on the ice' approach to the game to a young team that saw how he played and applied it to their games. Both he and Carter were instrumental in LA's Cup run - not only for what they did on the ice, but the attitude needed and the experience of going through it before.

If the Flyers win the Cup in the next year or two, this won't hurt so badly. I'm not holding my breath - there are still a lot of pieces that need to be put in place, and Bryz has to not suck, before the Flyers can come close to winning.

The Kings (and a few recent other Cup winners) put a core group of young players together and had the patience to go through growing pains with them. When the time was right, they tweaked their roster slightly, adding veterans where necessary and team first players that fit into their team identity. And they won. The Flyers have never shown that patience and we're a long way away from it today.
- Feeling_Glucky

CharlieGirl??

I can respect this, but don't tell that Flyers fans everywhere didn't cringe a little to see Carter and Richards hoisting the cup together and thinking a little of what could have been...
- As_I_See_It

I for one, didn't think anything of the sort. We all saw Carter and Richards in the context of the Flyers for years. As leaders on this team, they had their shots at the Cup and came up short. I don't think there are many Flyer fans who honestly believe that if Carter and Richards were kept this season (and therefore no Couturier, Schenn, Voracek, Simmonds, Grossmann) that it would have resulted in a more successful campaign. Most Flyer fans are very positive on the future upside of the deals Holmgren made, and the performance of the other team the Flyers' traded with are largely inconsequential. Some ignorant observers act as if the teams in question are made up solely of the players involved in the trade, as if there's a fantasy league, where Mike Richards and Jeff Carter comprise one team and Voracek, Couturier, Schenn and Simmonds are on the other...and since the team with Carter and Richards won the Cup, they are clearly the victors in the trade....this is stupid logic, yet this is the basis of the sentiment of many casual observers like yourself.

I'll point out that the Blue Jackets didn't seem to benefit at all from trading for Jeff Carter. If he's such a big factor and one of the winning chips the Flyers traded away, then why didn't the Jackets improve by adding him? Carter was only seen as a plus once he was on a solid team like L.A., so obviously his winning the Cup had a lot more to do with the team he was ultimately on versus his own individual value on a given team, whether it was the Flyers or some other. Meanwhile, there is no question that the addition of Couturier and Voracek were big positives for the Flyers.

The trades Holmgren made were largely designed to enhance the Flyers FUTURE. Very few fans figured the team would be as competitive and get as far as they did this season with the old leaders gone and new, young players that were largely unproven at the NHL level coming in as starters. At this point, most fans are elated to have a fresh infusion of quality youth, regardless of what Carter and Richards have gone on and done. Most fans would make those same trades again and that's really as much of a ringing endorsement of Holmgren as is needed to show we aren't lamenting the changes he made.

I think that's pretty clear.

Sure, Quick, Kopitar, Brown and Doughty were huge in the playoffs, but to say that Carter and Richards "weren't central parts" given their production and all of the intangibles that they being to the table is laughable.

Flyers fans are in denial about the major roles that recent and former Flyers contributed to the Kings' ultimate success. In a word, jealous.

Just about everyone was saying what a (frank)in' genius Holmgren was after Philly knocked out Pittsburgh in the first round... Is ANYBODY saying that now?

To those of you who can only respond with a weak anti-Leafs comment, this isn't about that at all! Try to keep up and stay on topic... Carter... Richards... Kings... Kicked a$$.... S-t-a-n-l-e-y C-u-p...
- As_I_See_It

A. No one has gotten off the Homer bandwagon for making those trades.

B. Those two were in no way shape or form central figures for that run. They played good secondary roles while collecting top role salary. Good for La

C. It is about your stinking joke of a Franchise. Just what the heck are you doing over here trolling us when your team hasn't gotten into the playoffs in like a decade, go worry about your own backyard.

From the fan whose franchise currently has the longest playoff drought in the sport...
- LordStanley88

Honestly, when you think about it Homer only traded one player to the LA Kings and that was Richards. Every other player was traded from other organizations. So for the Flyers to feel terrible is alittle overboard. The Kings won the cup yippy skippy. It makes no difference to me if it was LA, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, etc. because it wasn't the Flyers.

The last year here it was evident on ice the lack of effort those two were giving during games.
- Philly1980

It wasn't evident to me. I didn't see an effort issue with either player.

Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post
When you figure out why they were traded, explain it to me, would ya? Because it blows. It sucked the day it happened, and it still does. The heart of the Flyers was yanked out one day last June, and shipped out west. He brought a winning mentality and a 'leave it all on the ice' approach to the game to a young team that saw how he played and applied it to their games. Both he and Carter were instrumental in LA's Cup run - not only for what they did on the ice, but the attitude needed and the experience of going through it before.

If the Flyers win the Cup in the next year or two, this won't hurt so badly. I'm not holding my breath - there are still a lot of pieces that need to be put in place, and Bryz has to not suck, before the Flyers can come close to winning.

The Kings (and a few recent other Cup winners) put a core group of young players together and had the patience to go through growing pains with them. When the time was right, they tweaked their roster slightly, adding veterans where necessary and team first players that fit into their team identity. And they won. The Flyers have never shown that patience and we're a long way away from it today.
- Feeling_Glucky

Really that's cause we were hoisting all those cups here and rofl-stomping the Penguins in the playoffs with those two right? Gimme a break.

Honestly, when you think about it Homer only traded one player to the LA Kings and that was Richards. Every other player was traded from other organizations. So for the Flyers to feel terrible is alittle overboard. The Kings won the cup yippy skippy. It makes no difference to me if it was LA, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, etc. because it wasn't the Flyers.
- stveshdy

If I'm Homer and I could do it over again, I'd make the same trades and twice on Sunday.

Couturier has the talent and upside to become a superstar. Schenn too.

I love the direction of the team, and if I'm a homer for believing such, then so be it.

No. He knows they weren't central parts.

But comes on Meltzer's blog and says it to get us going.

T-R-O-L-L.

I've seen a total of 5 trolls here since the Cup, and 4 of them are Leaf fans. Stay classy.

And as far as the team itself goes, stay terrible, because it's hilarious
- Giroux_Is_God

You're really growing on me kid keep it up

NY being out on Parise opens the door even more for us should Homer opt to go hard after Parise.

I'd expect LA, Boston, and Minnesota to be the top competition.
- LordStanley88

I expect him saying no to the Rangers probably means we are in the same boat as the Rags. If he leaves the Devils he won't stick it to them by going to a team in the Atlantic.

Agreed. Lots of rumors and big names flying around.
- LordStanley88

I like Eks rumor, find it funny he is cryptic about the player. There is only 2 replacements for Pronger in the league and one is in Boston who isn't going anywhere.

I for one, didn't think anything of the sort. We all saw Carter and Richards in the context of the Flyers for years. As leaders on this team, they had their shots at the Cup and came up short. I don't think there are many Flyer fans who honestly believe that if Carter and Richards were kept this season (and therefore no Couturier, Schenn, Voracek, Simmonds, Grossmann) that it would have resulted in a more successful campaign. Most Flyer fans are very positive on the future upside of the deals Holmgren made, and the performance of the other team the Flyers' traded with are largely inconsequential. Some ignorant observers act as if the teams in question are made up solely of the players involved in the trade, as if there's a fantasy league, where Mike Richards and Jeff Carter comprise one team and Voracek, Couturier, Schenn and Simmonds are on the other...and since the team with Carter and Richards won the Cup, they are clearly the victors in the trade....this is stupid logic, yet this is the basis of the sentiment of many casual observers like yourself.

I'll point out that the Blue Jackets didn't seem to benefit at all from trading for Jeff Carter. If he's such a big factor and one of the winning chips the Flyers traded away, then why didn't the Jackets improve by adding him? Carter was only seen as a plus once he was on a solid team like L.A., so obviously his winning the Cup had a lot more to do with the team he was ultimately on versus his own individual value on a given team, whether it was the Flyers or some other. Meanwhile, there is no question that the addition of Couturier and Voracek were big positives for the Flyers.

The trades Holmgren made were largely designed to enhance the Flyers FUTURE. Very few fans figured the team would be as competitive and get as far as they did this season with the old leaders gone and new, young players that were largely unproven at the NHL level coming in as starters. At this point, most fans are elated to have a fresh infusion of quality youth, regardless of what Carter and Richards have gone on and done. Most fans would make those same trades again and that's really as much of a ringing endorsement of Holmgren as is needed to show we aren't lamenting the changes he made.
- phantasm

Good post.

They're gone and they won a Cup. Good for them. Suppositions about what the Flyers would have done had they still been here this year is an exercise in futility.

If I'm Homer and I could do it over again, I'd make the same trades and twice on Sunday.

Couturier has the talent and upside to become a superstar. Schenn too.

I love the direction of the team, and if I'm a homer for believing such, then so be it.
- LordStanley88

Funny thing is Homer always has a plan. The Flyers are far from adding key pieces and the organization isn't afraid to take risks. Richards and Carter had their chance to win here and didn't deliver (not all their fault). The Flyers are moving in the right direction imo.

Andrew Gross, beat writer for Rangers, actually reported the "no way" Parise to NYR.

I expect him saying no to the Rangers probably means we are in the same boat as the Rags. If he leaves the Devils he won't stick it to them by going to a team in the Atlantic.
- Flyers1218

The Rangers are the arch-enemy to the Devils. That hatred is not applied to us, so I wouldn't be so sure about that.

We'll see.

The Rangers are the arch-enemy to the Devils. That hatred is not applied to us, so I wouldn't be so sure about that.

We'll see.
- LordStanley88

Wild look serious

http://prohockeytalk.nbcs...going-to-outbid-the-wild/

Good post.

They're gone and they won a Cup. Good for them. Suppositions about what the Flyers would have done had they still been here this year is an exercise in futility.
- tangent_man

+1 x's infinity

Only player in history to win Mem Cup, WJGold, Calder Cup, Olympic Gold and a Stanley Cup
- Feeling_Glucky

so what you are saying is he was on good teams good for him.

This poop with Richards and Carter reminds me of when Trent Dilfer won a superbowl. I guess Tampa Bay was (frank)ing retarded for trading/releasing him

Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post
When you figure out why they were traded, explain it to me, would ya? Because it blows. It sucked the day it happened, and it still does. The heart of the Flyers was yanked out one day last June, and shipped out west. He brought a winning mentality and a 'leave it all on the ice' approach to the game to a young team that saw how he played and applied it to their games. Both he and Carter were instrumental in LA's Cup run - not only for what they did on the ice, but the attitude needed and the experience of going through it before.

If the Flyers win the Cup in the next year or two, this won't hurt so badly. I'm not holding my breath - there are still a lot of pieces that need to be put in place, and Bryz has to not suck, before the Flyers can come close to winning.

The Kings (and a few recent other Cup winners) put a core group of young players together and had the patience to go through growing pains with them. When the time was right, they tweaked their roster slightly, adding veterans where necessary and team first players that fit into their team identity. And they won. The Flyers have never shown that patience and we're a long way away from it today.
- Feeling_Glucky

Giroux,Schenn,Couts three centers....something that toronto doesnt have. in 3 years schenn and couts > then richie or cartsy. forgot to mention voracek and simmonds and grossmann are gonna be doing just fine as well.

Originally Posted by CharlieGirl View Post
When you figure out why they were traded, explain it to me, would ya? Because it blows. It sucked the day it happened, and it still does. The heart of the Flyers was yanked out one day last June, and shipped out west. He brought a winning mentality and a 'leave it all on the ice' approach to the game to a young team that saw how he played and applied it to their games. Both he and Carter were instrumental in LA's Cup run - not only for what they did on the ice, but the attitude needed and the experience of going through it before.

If the Flyers win the Cup in the next year or two, this won't hurt so badly. I'm not holding my breath - there are still a lot of pieces that need to be put in place, and Bryz has to not suck, before the Flyers can come close to winning.

The Kings (and a few recent other Cup winners) put a core group of young players together and had the patience to go through growing pains with them. When the time was right, they tweaked their roster slightly, adding veterans where necessary and team first players that fit into their team identity. And they won. The Flyers have never shown that patience and we're a long way away from it today.
- Feeling_Glucky

Giroux,Schenn,Couts three centers....something that toronto doesnt have. in 3 years schenn and couts > then richie or cartsy. forgot to mention voracek and simmonds and grossmann are gonna be doing just fine as well.