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hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 8:41 PM ET
Why would we need a 4th line center? I'm sure Couturier could start the season there and Talbot could possibly end the season there. Heck, maybe Talbot could play the entire season on the 4th line.
- roenick97

I had to restrain myself from asking the same question. We. Don't. Need. Centers.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 8:48 PM ET
I had to restrain myself from asking the same question. We. Don't. Need. Centers.
- hereticpride

Giroux, Briere, Schenn, Couturier, Read and Talbot can all play center.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 13 @ 8:49 PM ET
Nanne is Mr Minnesota Hockey. I wouldn't doubt him. I was just thinking of his great quote about Mike Modano and Link Gaetz.

Nanne was GM of the North Stars, and had the top pick in 1988. He took Modano with it, and then took the rowdy Gaetz in round two.

Years later, after Gaetz had been out of the league and exhibited strange behavior and battled bottle problems, Nanne said of his draft:

"We took Mike in the first round to protect the franchise. We took Link in the second round to protect Mike. We should have taken a lawyer in the third round to protect Link."

- Jsaquella


That's pretty funny
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 13 @ 8:56 PM ET
The good old days of Amerks hockey when Don Cherry saved the franchise.

I remember, as a boy, listening to that game.

- MrBuzzcut


Wensink is probably the craziest sob I've ever seen play. Here he is challenging the entire Minnesota bench to fight him (end of the vid).



Dunno if you have read Cherry's book "Grapes", but in it he says he was legit worried that Wensink was crazy. Considering the source, that is a chilling thought.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 8:59 PM ET
Giroux, Briere, Schenn, Couturier, Read and Talbot can all play center.
- roenick97


And none of them are especially good at faceoffs, and only Schenn is really physical, and he might end up on a wing
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:02 PM ET
I had to restrain myself from asking the same question. We. Don't. Need. Centers.
- hereticpride


The Flyers could absolutely use a 4th line Center faceoff/PK specialist.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:04 PM ET
And none of them are especially good at faceoffs, and only Schenn is really physical, and he might end up on a wing
- Jsaquella

The only center I'd be interested in at the moment is the same one I was interested in at the trade deadline. Paul Gaustad. If at all.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:06 PM ET
And none of them are especially good at faceoffs, and only Schenn is really physical, and he might end up on a wing
- Jsaquella

Wasn't G pretty solid at the dot in the POs this year??

Not saying I disagree here, though. We do need a bona fide faceoffs guy. I like Schenner at the wing, by the way. Same with Reader.

I'd like to see G, Briere, Cooter, and Talbot be the centers for this team. Only thing is that I want Cooter to see 2nd line minutes, but I don't think he will merely based on the depth in front of him in G and Briere.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:06 PM ET
Wasn't G pretty solid at the dot in the POs this year??

Not saying I disagree here, though. We do need a bona fide faceoffs guy. I like Schenner at the wing, by the way. Same with Reader.

I'd like to see G, Briere, Cooter, and Talbot be the centers for this team. Only thing is that I want Cooter to see 2nd line minutes, but I don't think he will merely based on the depth in front of him in G and Briere.

- Giroux_Is_God

I thought Giroux was pretty physical as well. One would think Couturier would grow into being a physical player.
MrBuzzcut
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 04.04.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:07 PM ET
Wensink is probably the craziest sob I've ever seen play. Here he is challenging the entire Minnesota bench to fight him (end of the vid).



Dunno if you have read Cherry's book "Grapes", but in it he says he was legit worried that Wensink was crazy. Considering the source, that is a chilling thought.

- BringBack25


That's quite a "compliment" coming from Don.

There were a lot of great brawls in that old barn.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:07 PM ET
The Flyers could absolutely use a 4th line Center faceoff/PK specialist.
- MJL

I completely agree. But what would we do with the other guys? If we add a Gaustadish player that can take draws and kill penalties, who shifts to wing?

Briere??
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:08 PM ET
I thought Giroux was pretty physical as well. One would think Couturier would grow into being a physical player.
- roenick97

G is always physical. I think it comes solely from his fiercely competitive nature as opposed to him being an "actual" physical player, if that makes sense. Which it really doesn't. I hope everyone gets what I'm saying
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:09 PM ET
I completely agree. But what would we do with the other guys? If we add a Gaustadish player that can take draws and kill penalties, who shifts to wing?

Briere??

- Giroux_Is_God


Whoever. Briere would have no problem playing the Wing.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:10 PM ET
G is always physical. I think it comes solely from his fiercely competitive nature as opposed to him being an "actual" physical player, if that makes sense. Which it really doesn't. I hope everyone gets what I'm saying
- Giroux_Is_God

We could use a 4th line center, we don't exactly need one. I think certain players would hurt on the wing.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:14 PM ET
2 things about G in the playoffs:

1. He held a respectable 52% clip at the dot. I can live with that. I'd like to see better, but in no way is that bad.

2. He was 3rd in the NHL in playoff points with 17 points. That's 4 points from overtaking Brown and Kopitar for the lead, who were tied with 20 points.

G played 10 games. Kopitar and Brown played 20
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 13 @ 9:16 PM ET
Whoever. Briere would have no problem playing the Wing.
- MJL

I remember Briere playing wing a few times this year looking lost. He can't really drive to the net and score prototypical Danny B goals playing wing. Nor can he set up shop behind the opponent's net playing wing. (theoretically...position wise....ya know??)

I actually remember Bill saying he looked terrible at wing in a blog during the season. Don't remember exactly when, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading it...
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:19 PM ET





roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:19 PM ET
I remember Briere playing wing a few times this year looking lost. He can't really drive to the net and score prototypical Danny B goals playing wing. Nor can he set up shop behind the opponent's net playing wing. (theoretically...position wise....ya know??)

I actually remember Bill saying he looked terrible at wing in a blog during the season. Don't remember exactly when, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading it...

- Giroux_Is_God

Briere looks like a guy more likely to dish a pass coming down from the wing, the a guy looking to score. I also like watching Briere come down the middle. You never know what he's going to do when he does. He's all over the place in the offensive zone.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:20 PM ET





- MBFlyerfan


They've done that I believe for their entire playoff run.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:22 PM ET
I remember Briere playing wing a few times this year looking lost. He can't really drive to the net and score prototypical Danny B goals playing wing. Nor can he set up shop behind the opponent's net playing wing. (theoretically...position wise....ya know??)

I actually remember Bill saying he looked terrible at wing in a blog during the season. Don't remember exactly when, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading it...

- Giroux_Is_God


Why can't he? Players adjust. We heard the same things here such as Carter can't play Wing. And Carter and Richards can't play together. Briere can play the Wing. No reason why he can't. Wings don't go to the net, or play around the net offensively?
Juice
Location: "There are a few posters who a
Joined: 12.06.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:24 PM ET
To the guy who keeps reporting posts...one more time and you'll be the one who's banned.

People disagreeing with you doesn't merit a reported post.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:25 PM ET
Why can't he? Players adjust. We heard the same things here such as Carter can't play Wing. And Carter and Richards can't play together. Briere can play the Wing. No reason why he can't. Wings don't go to the net, or play around the net offensively?
- MJL


Briere being moved to center was an instant upgrade in our 2010 playoff run. Jeff Carter was pretty much called out by Sutter during a game on NBC at one point because he wasn't playing well on the wing. These are NHL players. They're not going to look terrible, they can still play but it doesn't mean it's their strongest position.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 9:27 PM ET
Briere being moved to center was an instant upgrade in our 2010 playoff run. Jeff Carter was pretty much called out by Sutter during a game on NBC at one point because he wasn't playing well on the wing. These are NHL players. They're not going to look terrible, they can still play but it doesn't mean it's their strongest position.
- roenick97


Center may be Briere's stronger position now. But if it's for the the good of the team and it's needed. Briere can move to Wing and adjust and be just as effective. He'll have all Season to work at it.
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:29 PM ET
Center may be Briere's stronger position now. But if it's for the the good of the team and it's needed. Briere can move to Wing and adjust and be just as effective. He'll have all Season to work at it.
- MJL

Briere looked pretty hot in the playoffs once again to me. Why move him and how would it be for the good of the team?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 13 @ 9:31 PM ET
Center may be Briere's stronger position now. But if it's for the the good of the team and it's needed. Briere can move to Wing and adjust and be just as effective. He'll have all Season to work at it.
- MJL


Plus he had such a great year playing center this season....playoffs notwithstanding.

Briere is the first one I would think about moving to wing.

I also would like to see the Flyers get a big defense oriented forward. Wing or center...just someone with some size who can take care of things in his own end.
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