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Flyers2821
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 01.16.2010

Jun 13 @ 6:35 PM ET
There is no such thing as sending a player to the minors in the off season. The playoffs don't matter. Here are the rules for Off Season Cap accounting.


Teams can exceed the salary cap's upper limit by 10 percent during the off-season. The following count toward the team's cap payroll:

All players on one-way contracts, regardless of where (or if) they were playing the previous year.
All players on two-way contracts, in proportion to the number of days spent on an NHL roster the previous season.
All restricted free agents who have been extended a qualifying offer (while the offer is valid), with one-way qualifying offers counting in full and two-way qualifying offers counting as described in No. 2.
All restricted free agents signed to an offer sheet (such players count against the team extending the offer sheet while it is still valid).
All buyouts.

- MJL


Interesting.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:06 PM ET
according to twitter, Slater signed 3 year deal w/ the Jets. someone posted about wanting him. can't remember.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 13 @ 7:06 PM ET
Without question. For a dominating physical monster, in his absolute prime on the blueline. And arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. Without a doubt. What do you think is harder to get? An elite star #1 defenseman, or a solid 2 way centerman?
- MJL


Defenseman are much harder to find. The Flyers are also very good at drafting forwards as opposed to defenseman. Giroux is my only untouchable if I'm going after Weber.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 13 @ 7:06 PM ET
probably leight, but we can scratch jim slater off our wishlist, he reportedly signed a 3 year deal with the jets
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:07 PM ET
Defenseman are much harder to find. The Flyers are also very good at drafting forwards as opposed to defenseman. Giroux is my only untouchable if I'm going after Weber.
- stveshdy


It would kill me to give up Couturier. But for Weber I would have to. An Elite #1 defenseman is the most important player on the ice next to the goaltender.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 13 @ 7:12 PM ET
It would kill me to give up Couturier. But for Weber I would have to. An Elite #1 defenseman is the most important player on the ice next to the goaltender.
- MJL


When I'm getting back the best defenseman in the league in his prime I would be willing to make that deal. Couturier has plenty of time to grow and may become a great first line center but I already know what Weber is and thats an absolute monster. I'm a big believer in building your team from the net out. It showed this year that you can score all the goals you want but with no defense it means nothing.

It would hurt to give up Couturier as well. I would work around doing that obviously but if I had no choice I make the move.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:16 PM ET
according to twitter, Slater signed 3 year deal w/ the Jets. someone posted about wanting him. can't remember.
- wilsonecho91


He was one of the handful of guys I would have liked to see the Flyers take a run at.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:17 PM ET
It would kill me to give up Couturier. But for Weber I would have to. An Elite #1 defenseman is the most important player on the ice next to the goaltender.
- MJL



I'm tired of all these big moves, it has yet to produce a cup, it's time to stop that approach in my eyes and try something else.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:18 PM ET
He was one of the handful of guys I would have liked to see the Flyers take a run at.
- Jsaquella


How about Prust?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:19 PM ET
How about Prust?
- ob18


I'd prefer him of Shelley and Rinaldo, but he's not a faceoff guy. Loved him on 24/7
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 13 @ 7:19 PM ET
I'm tired of all these big moves, it has yet to produce a cup, it's time to stop that approach in my eyes and try something else.
- ob18


Thats another solution to the problem. Flyers could just resign Carle and add another 3rd pairing player. Let this team develop more chemistry. Just have to learn to be more responsible in their own end.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:20 PM ET
I'm tired of all these big moves, it has yet to produce a cup, it's time to stop that approach in my eyes and try something else.
- ob18


As Butsy said on twitter: Re-sign Carle and Jagr, trade Bob to move up in draft or add picks, go after Barrett Jackman & Marty Biron in UFA, viola
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 13 @ 7:20 PM ET
I'd prefer him of Shelley and Rinaldo, but he's not a faceoff guy. Loved him on 24/7
- Jsaquella


Like to add Dom Moore? Be a nice 4th line center.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:22 PM ET
Like to add Dom Moore? Be a nice 4th line center.
- stveshdy


Moore would be a good addition, too. Jay McClement, Torrey Mitchell, Adam Burish, Colin Fraser and Ryan Carter interest me in the UFA market
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:24 PM ET
As Butsy said on twitter: Re-sign Carle and Jagr, trade Bob to move up in draft or add picks, go after Barrett Jackman & Marty Biron in UFA, viola
- Jsaquella


Not sure Bob would get you to move up considering most teams in front of them already have a goalie.

He may land you an extra pick or two if that's all they wanted.

The other players would be nice.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:25 PM ET
Thats another solution to the problem. Flyers could just resign Carle and add another 3rd pairing player. Let this team develop more chemistry. Just have to learn to be more responsible in their own end.
- stveshdy


I'd like that & some attempt at developing a talent pool in the system this big move every year stuff hasn't worked & yet they keep trying it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:25 PM ET
Not sure Bob would get you to move up considering most teams in front of them already have a goalie.

He may land you an extra pick or two if that's all they wanted.

The other players would be nice.

- ob18


Just dangling Bob likely doesn't get you into the top ten. Very true.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:27 PM ET
I'd like that & some attempt at developing a talent pool in the system this big move every year stuff hasn't worked & yet they keep trying it.
- ob18


That was basically the whole point of Bill's blog. Be patient.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 13 @ 7:28 PM ET
I'd like that & some attempt at developing a talent pool in the system this big move every year stuff hasn't worked & yet they keep trying it.
- ob18


They traded for Pronger which was really the big move. Last offseason they signed Bryz and only traded a pick for his rights. The organization then decided to make a splash by trading Richards & Carter (which they could of held on to). I understand their concern with not having a legit number one defenseman. If there is no one available in that slot then they should just upgrade the 3rd pairing and add a 4th line center who can win face offs and play good defense.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:30 PM ET
Just dangling Bob likely doesn't get you into the top ten. Very true.
- Jsaquella


It might not even get them into the top 15 & that might say something in a not so deep draft.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 13 @ 7:31 PM ET
If we need a 4th line center I like Dominic Moore. Not sure if hes a FA, I believe so, and no clue on cost, but I always liked him as a role guy.



EDIT: WAYYYYYY LEIGHT
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:33 PM ET
If we need a 4th line center I like Dominic Moore. Not sure if hes a FA, I believe so, and no clue on cost, but I always liked him as a role guy.
- aosplayo


He is, but with his wife having a rare form of liver cancer he may opt to try and stay in San Jose if that's the location she is receiving treatment.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/st...ic-moore-rare-form-cancer
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 13 @ 7:33 PM ET
It might not even get them into the top 15 & that might say something in a not so deep draft.
- ob18


That's the big issue, trade Bob to move up and get a guy who you could get at 20?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:34 PM ET
That's the big issue, trade Bob to move up and get a guy who you could get at 20?
- Jsaquella


yup, it's why I keep suggesting staying at 20 is the best move. JVR would likely get them to the top 10 maybe close to top 5.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 7:35 PM ET
Moore would be a good addition, too. Jay McClement, Torrey Mitchell, Adam Burish, Colin Fraser and Ryan Carter interest me in the UFA market
- Jsaquella


I'd suggest Stoll but he is likely out of their salary range.
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