What it comes down to is how good Buffalo thinks JVR could really be. If they consider adding a scorer of his caliber to the wings more important than seeing out the development of Myers (which is the same exact reason Philly is doing the deal), it's not exactly unrealistic.

Not to mention Buffalo is insanely deep on D.
- mochoson

Buffalo isn't insanely deep on huge, tremendously gifted defenseman that has already shown he can be a two way force in the NHL. And defenseman are infinitely more important then Wingers. Even if I felt JVR could be a 50 goal scorer, I wouldn't make the deal. Unless I had doubts about Myers. And I don't see why they would.

It would really be dumb for the Flyers to move 2 top 6 forwards for a defenseman. Just really dumb.




For real.
- KGBflyers10

Not if it's for Weber it wouldn't be.

No, it isn't. Not for a top caliber defensemen.
- mochoson

considering Timonen is in the last year of his contract, and the FA D list not looking too hot this year--there is no reason for this team to move even more people after last season. I say go with patiencce. This team has all the pieces except D. If you want to make a move, you do it at the deadline.

I'm not going to sit around and watch another Williams, Gagne, and Richards get a Cup somewhere else.

Are the Flyers really sitting on $9 mill in cap space heading into the offseason?

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=24

Not if it's for Weber it wouldn't be.
- MJL

And if it is, you're willing to give up a 19-year-old who shut down the Hart Trophy winner, and a Mike Richards prototype, not to mention being the best prospect in the league last year?

Sure, go for it.

And if it is, you're willing to give up a 19-year-old who shut down the Hart Trophy winner, and a Mike Richards prototype, not to mention being the best prospect in the league last year?

Sure, go for it.
- KGBflyers10

I wouldn't give them both up for Weber. Go after Suter.

And if it is, you're willing to give up a 19-year-old who shut down the Hart Trophy winner, and a Mike Richards prototype, not to mention being the best prospect in the league last year?

Sure, go for it.
- KGBflyers10

Without question. For a dominating physical monster, in his absolute prime on the blueline. And arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. Without a doubt. What do you think is harder to get? An elite star #1 defenseman, or a solid 2 way centerman?

Are the Flyers really sitting on $9 mill in cap space heading into the offseason?

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=24
- Flyers2821

Yes and no.

Without question. For a dominating physical monster, in his absolute prime on the blueline. And arguably the best defenseman in the NHL. Without a doubt. What do you think is harder to get? An elite star #1 defenseman, or a solid 2 way centerman?
- MJL

JvR will be traded before either Schenn or Couturier go anywhere

considering Timonen is in the last year of his contract, and the FA D list not looking too hot this year--there is no reason for this team to move even more people after last season. I say go with patiencce. This team has all the pieces except D. If you want to make a move, you do it at the deadline.

I'm not going to sit around and watch another Williams, Gagne, and Richards get a Cup somewhere else.
- KGBflyers10

You think your going to get the defensive piece they need at the deadline?

JvR will be traded before either Schenn or Couturier go anywhere
- Flyers2821

Maybe so. But who knows.

Quick question... how does Prongers cap hit work? Does it count in the offseason until he can be put on LTIR?

Quick question... how does Prongers cap hit work? Does it count in the offseason until he can be put on LTIR?
- Flyers2821

Yes.

Buffalo isn't insanely deep on huge, tremendously gifted defenseman that has already shown he can be a two way force in the NHL. And defenseman are infinitely more important then Wingers. Even if I felt JVR could be a 50 goal scorer, I wouldn't make the deal. Unless I had doubts about Myers. And I don't see why they would.
- MJL

Buffalo has the same doubts regarding Myers ceiling that Philly does regarding JVR.

No, they are not. But they do have veterans like Regehr, Ehrhoff, Leopold, Sekera, Weber, and Sulzer. All the bolded are signed long term, and all are of top-4 quality with the exception of Weber. Sulzer is border-line, but he looked absolutely pheneomenal after being traded to Buffalo. Book may be out on him, but you get the idea.

Then theres there two huge prospects in Pysyk and McNabb. McNabb spent part of the year in Buffalo and didn't look out of place what so ever. Pysyk likely starts the year in the A after finishing up his WHL career, but after how he looked in the Memorial Cup, he's likely an early call-up. Both are future top-4 guys and both look exceptional.

Then theres Brennan, Crawford, Biega, Schiestal, Mackenzie, and Finley, all with varrying levels of potential and expierence in the pros and all are still fairly young.

So while I agree a d-man of Myers ilk isn't moved easily, I think it's a deal Buffalo has to consider.

edit: And getting a similar dman in terms of size and skating ability in Coburn signed to a similar deal kinda softens the blow. They are similar players, Myers has much more natural skill, and is obviously younger.

Yes.
- MJL

When can he be put on IR?

Buffalo has the same doubts regarding Myers ceiling that Philly does regarding JVR.

No, they are not. But they do have veterans like Regehr, Ehrhoff, Leopold, Sekera, Weber, and Sulzer. All the bolded are signed long term, and all are of top-4 quality with the exception of Weber. Sulzer is border-line, but he looked absolutely pheneomenal after being traded to Buffalo. Book may be out on him, but you get the idea.

Then theres there two huge prospects in Pysyk and McNabb. McNabb spent part of the year in Buffalo and didn't look out of place what so ever. Pysyk likely starts the year in the A after finishing up his WHL career, but after how he looked in the Memorial Cup, he's likely an early call-up. Both are future top-4 guys and both look exceptional.

Then theres Brennan, Crawford, Biega, Schiestal, Mackenzie, and Finley, all with varrying levels of potential and expierence in the pros and all are still fairly young.

So while I agree a d-man of Myers ilk isn't moved easily, I think it's a deal Buffalo has to consider.
- mochoson

I doubt that Buffalo has doubts about Myers. When talking about Myers, your not talking about top 4 potential. Your talking about star Norris Trophy potential. I would give an early and emphatic no if I was Buffalo.

When can he be put on IR?
- Flyers2821

Right before the Season starts.

I doubt that Buffalo has doubts about Myers. When talking about Myers, your not talking about top 4 potential. Your talking about star Norris Trophy potential. I would give an early and emphatic no if I was Buffalo.
- MJL

Most fans will tell you different. Some question whether he has the ability to anchor a unit.

It may not be a fair deal, but it's damn close. I'd be willing to throw in this years 1st if it ment Myers.

Right before the Season starts.
- MJL

So technically, all they have to do is send the two way contracts down to the minors in the offseason (schenn, couturier, wellwood, rinaldo) until they can put Pronger on LTIR and they still have that money to use this offseason.

Most fans will tell you different. Some question whether he has the ability to anchor a unit.

It may not be a fair deal, but it's damn close. I'd be willing to throw in this years 1st if it ment Myers.
- mochoson

Most fans is about the worst source you could use to evaluate a player. Myers has already produced at a high level as a 20-21 year old. Anyone who questions that he has the raw ability and talent to be a top defenseman, is foolish.

I don't see Buffalo making that deal.

So technically, all they have to do is send the two way contracts down to the minors in the offseason (schenn, couturier, wellwood, rinaldo) until they can put Pronger on LTIR and they still have that money to use this offseason.
- Flyers2821

There is no such thing as sending a player down in the Off Season.

Most fans is about the worst source you could use to evaluate a player. Myers has already produced at a high level as a 20-21 year old. Anyone who questions that he has the raw ability and talent to be a top defenseman, is foolish.

I don't see Buffalo making that deal.
- MJL

Just because he has shown flashes of brilliance doesn't mean he's a future number 1 dman. He's had just as many struggles as a player as hes had success.

I'm not basing my opinion on fans. I'm just saying most Sabres fans are likely a bit more open to the deal then you'd think they be.

We share the same opinion on the matter for the most part.

There is no such thing as sending a player down in the Off Season.
- MJL

You send the player to the minors and their cap hit/contract goes with them.

Or are you trying to tell me every player that was on the roster in the playoffs counts against the flyers cap hit until next season begins?

Just because he has shown flashes of brilliance doesn't mean he's a future number 1 dman. He's had just as many struggles as a player as hes had success.

I'm not basing my opinion on fans. I'm just saying most Sabres fans are likely a bit more open to the deal then you'd think they be.

We share the same opinion on the matter for the most part.
- mochoson

It's very much expected for a 20-22 year old defenseman to have struggles. If Buffalo fans are open to the deal, then they are foolish.

You send the player to the minors and their cap hit/contract goes with them.

Or are you trying to tell me every player that was on the roster in the playoffs counts against the flyers cap hit until next season begins?
- Flyers2821

There is no such thing as sending a player to the minors in the off season. The playoffs don't matter. Here are the rules for Off Season Cap accounting.


Teams can exceed the salary cap's upper limit by 10 percent during the off-season. The following count toward the team's cap payroll:

All players on one-way contracts, regardless of where (or if) they were playing the previous year.
All players on two-way contracts, in proportion to the number of days spent on an NHL roster the previous season.
All restricted free agents who have been extended a qualifying offer (while the offer is valid), with one-way qualifying offers counting in full and two-way qualifying offers counting as described in No. 2.
All restricted free agents signed to an offer sheet (such players count against the team extending the offer sheet while it is still valid).
All buyouts.