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Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 13 @ 4:25 PM ET
Did he all of a sudden become whiny? Look there was some situations with the media that Ricahrds could have handled better. But there is no doubt that some writers, Carchidi in particular, had a personal issue with Richards. And Richards in return. And with the nonsense that was written, I don't blame Richards.
- MJL


He sure came off whiny in interviews. I thought he sounded whiny. I'm not a fan of Carchidi's writing and it does seem unprofessional to call a player names in an article, but I don't think he was making things up.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:27 PM ET
enough said

http://sports.yahoo.com/b...ional-drug-012921867.html

im sure there is gossip among players.

- Philly1980

sorry the court will not admit this as evidence.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 13 @ 4:28 PM ET
He most likely can't but you are innocent until proven guilty therefore it is incumbent on the accuser to provide said proof.
- JoeRussomanno


INNOCENT!

Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:28 PM ET
sorry the court will not admit this as evidence.
- JoeRussomanno


like i said, as twisted as my opinion, it is my opinion only and not fact. now who we trading to get weber. im tired of scratching at old wounds.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 13 @ 4:29 PM ET
He sure came off whiny in interviews. I thought he sounded whiny. I'm not a fan of Carchidi's writing and it does seem unprofessional to call a player names in an article, but I don't think he was making things up.
- Dkos



I think Carchidi definitely had a personal issue and an agenda.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:30 PM ET
INNOCENT!


- PLindbergh31

he was able to move his fingers enough to wield a knife, whole other topic but that guy was guilty as sin.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 13 @ 4:31 PM ET
I think Carchidi definitely had a personal issue and an agenda.
- MJL


I think if you're a Richard people will treat you like a Richard and they both seem like Richards

edit: that's funny that the word I used was replaced with Richard
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:32 PM ET
he was able to move his fingers enough to wield a knife, whole other topic but that guy was guilty as sin.
- JoeRussomanno



do you have any proof??????????
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 13 @ 4:32 PM ET
I think if you're a Richard people will treat you like a Richard and they both seem like Richards
- Dkos


Especially Mike. He's definitely a Richards.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:32 PM ET
He most likely can't but you are innocent until proven guilty therefore it is incumbent on the accuser to provide said proof.
- JoeRussomanno


That is in the court of law. In the court of public opinion there is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. If it was just random writers, or an occasional fan saying they were, it would be one thing. When another player mocks them by snorting coke off a stick.... thats pretty damning...
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:33 PM ET
do you have any proof??????????
- Philly1980

at about 10 seconds into this video he has the glove on and moving his fingers enough to wield a knife.
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Jun 13 @ 4:33 PM ET
Especially Mike. He's definitely a Richards.
- PLindbergh31



I didn't realize Richard was a bad word
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:34 PM ET
That is in the court of law. In the court of public opinion there is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. If it was just random writers, or an occasional fan saying they were, it would be one thing. When another player mocks them by snorting coke off a stick.... thats pretty damning...
- RooNosHockey


+100
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:34 PM ET
That is in the court of law. In the court of public opinion there is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. If it was just random writers, or an occasional fan saying they were, it would be one thing. When another player mocks them by snorting coke off a stick.... thats pretty damning...
- RooNosHockey

yes but without sufficient evidence you are just defaming the guy's character and presenting yourself as a subjective critic as opposed to an objective one which has more credibility.

Edit: players mock each other all the time especially in the playoffs doesn't make anything a fact.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:38 PM ET
yes but without sufficient evidence you are just defaming the guy's character and presenting yourself as a subjective critic as opposed to an objective one which has more credibility.
- JoeRussomanno


I was stating my opinion i dont care if thats what you want to believe...im not debating the issue but when someone(MJL) asks me a million times if i thought there was a drug problem i answered them " yes thats what i think". I didnt say i know for sure because i was their coke dealer.... As taboo as it might be to think those two knuckleheads were on drugs thats what i think....

Also in order to disprove me you would have to have evidence that they 100% never tried any illegal substances... good luck proving that.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:39 PM ET
yes but without sufficient evidence you are just defaming the guy's character and presenting yourself as a subjective critic as opposed to an objective one which has more credibility.

Edit: players mock each other all the time especially in the playoffs doesn't make anything a fact.

- JoeRussomanno


give me sufficient evidence that they didnt
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 13 @ 4:41 PM ET
That is in the court of law. In the court of public opinion there is no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. If it was just random writers, or an occasional fan saying they were, it would be one thing. When another player mocks them by snorting coke off a stick.... thats pretty damning...
- RooNosHockey

JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:42 PM ET
give me sufficient evidence that they didnt
- Philly1980

we can play that game with everyone and that is totally unfair. There is nothing credible to say they were and to do so and then ask for evidence to the contrary is bogus.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:43 PM ET
we can play that game with everyone and that is totally unfair. There is nothing credible to say they were and to do so and then ask for evidence to the contrary is bogus.
- JoeRussomanno


you make me sad.... im taking my puck and going home now.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:44 PM ET
yes but without sufficient evidence you are just defaming the guy's character and presenting yourself as a subjective critic as opposed to an objective one which has more credibility.

Edit: players mock each other all the time especially in the playoffs doesn't make anything a fact.

- JoeRussomanno


They mock players based somewhat in truth... and objectively speaking, it is more likely then not that when hanging in the scene Richards and Carter are known to have frequented, that certain drugs tend to "pop" up. I know. I have been in that crowd, and participated in...well.... Lets just say I find it more likely they were involded in something. I'm not saying they are addicts, or that it's an everyday thing for them.... but most rumors are founded in some kind of truth... except maybe the ones you find on HB..
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:45 PM ET
you make me sad.... im taking my puck and going home now.
- Philly1980

u don't have to go home but I can't sit here and stoop to the level of accusing those two guys of drug use when I have seen absolutely nothing to make me think otherwise. THere is evidence for a great many things but drug use imo and it should be pretty clear is way out of the question.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 13 @ 4:45 PM ET
Jason Garrison and the graduation of Testwuide or the signing of Ponikarovsky or Travis Moen.

Shut up about Richards and Carter. Seriously. No one (frank)ing cares anymore. Its (frank)ing egyptian mummy old at this old.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:49 PM ET
They mock players based somewhat in truth... and objectively speaking, it is more likely then not that when hanging in the scene Richards and Carter are known to have frequented, that certain drugs tend to "pop" up. I know. I have been in that crowd, and participated in...well.... Lets just say I find it more likely they were involded in something. I'm not saying they are addicts, or that it's an everyday thing for them.... but most rumors are founded in some kind of truth... except maybe the ones you find on HB..
- RooNosHockey

HUH!? how do you know they mock players based in truth? Hanging in what scene? the night scene? A lot of athletes hang in that scene, hardly enough to go an say they are using drugs. I find that to be completely ridiculous. To start indicting people based on hearsay (rumors) is bullpoop. I do believe there were off ice issues. Such as being disruptive in the locker room that's been reported on by credible journalists, but I have seen nothing credible about drug use. An opposing player mocking one guy is a far cry from evidence.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:51 PM ET
HUH!? how do you know they mock players based in truth? Hanging in what scene? the night scene? A lot of athletes hang in that scene, hardly enough to go an say they are using drugs. I find that to be completely ridiculous. To start indicting people based on hearsay (rumors) is bullpoop. I do believe there were off ice issues. Such as being disruptive in the locker room that's been reported on by credible journalists, but I have seen nothing credible about drug use. An opposing player mocking one guy is a far cry from evidence.
- JoeRussomanno


Don't be naive.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 13 @ 4:52 PM ET
Jason Garrison and the graduation of Testwuide or the signing of Ponikarovsky or Travis Moen.

Shut up about Richards and Carter. Seriously. No one (frank)ing cares anymore. Its (frank)ing egyptian mummy old at this old.

- mochoson

oh well excuse us. Don't have to be so condescending. They were the faces of our franchise until june of last year and just hoisted the cup. It is actually pretty relevant considering that they were mentioned in the blog just this very day by the blog writer and not those guys you mentioned so there But it is old and I would appreciate some common courtesy other than shut up.
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