Who do you like better JvR or Schenn?
- stveshdy

id like to keep schenn....unlike JVR he isnt afraid to get physical.

Who do you like better JvR or Schenn?
- stveshdy

id like to keep schenn....unlike JVR he isnt afraid to get physical.

Ummmm there were rumors and reports that Dusting Brown was on the trading block around december.
- Philly1980

And we know those are always accurate.

Ummmm there were rumors and reports that Dusting Brown was on the trading block around december.
- Philly1980

Dustin Brown, only the second American born Captain to win the Cup. I love everything about his game. LA would be foolish to ever think about moving this guy.

Who do you like better JvR or Schenn?
- stveshdy

Schenn without hesitation

I don't agree that one moped his way off a team. And Joe aren't you a supporter of Bryzgalov, nd haven't you stated many times that there is an adjustment period going to a new team? Why doesn't that apply to Richards? And what matters more, how he played early in the regular Season, or later and in the playoffs?
- MJL

yes I supported Bryz this year and part of his troubles were related to him coming to a new team. Also He's a goalie and that position is much harder to play than any other position. As for Richards he started the season rather strongly there then had a drop off. Additionally I don't think the adjustment was as big for him as it was for Bryzgalov, he was playing on a team that had an assitant coach who he already played under.

Jeff Carter was amidst talk all season long about not wanting to be in Columbus. Even before he went there he holed up in his Sea Isle residence in a sort of protest. This has been well documented. Then after all the denying is done he is again traded.

For the record though, I'd do whatever it takes to land Weber other than dealing Couts or Giroux.

So Richards had a sense of entitlement when he was here. And all of the accomplishents, including being a key player on this year's Cup winner, bears that out? That's ridiculous. And Richards is just trying to impress his new team? Seriously, you have to do better then that. Richards play and role on a Cup team just further cements that a large majority of the accusations against him were complete nonsense.

And unless your willing to name your sources and provide the documentation to back it up, it's just more rumuor, specualation, and innuendo to me.
- MJL

Im sorry MJL i respect you and all...with that being said you must have drank all the orange cool aid if you thought there were no problems between those two and the organization...a friend of mine who worked at skate zone told me last year when this went down that he expected it....the coach and the captain never spoke to each other...in fact lavy would ask richards to meet in private outside of everything to talk...he repeatedly blew lavy off...you can only fire so many coaches before you have to take a hard look at the leadership on your team.

Dustin Brown, only the second American born Captain to win the Cup. I love everything about his game. LA would be foolish to ever think about moving this guy.
- stveshdy

yet they were

Im sorry MJL i respect you and all...with that being said you must have drank all the orange cool aid if you thought there were no problems between those two and the organization...a friend of mine who worked at skate zone told me last year when this went down that he expected it....the coach and the captain never spoke to each other...in fact lavy would ask richards to meet in private outside of everything to talk...he repeatedly blew lavy off...you can only fire so many coaches before you have to take a hard look at the leadership on your team.
- Philly1980

take it for what it is worth But I did hear Eskin report that Richards was giving Lavy the silent treatment on the radio.

yet they were
- Philly1980

One of the most underrated players in the NHL if you ask me.

yet they were
- Philly1980

We don't and probably will ever know that.

Wake me up when something happens

My point there was that people are claiming the Flyers lost the trade(s) because Carter (and Richards) won a Cup. I was illustrating that there were a lot of other factors, not the least of which was what team they ended up with, that factor into how the trades should be perceived. I'm not trying to discredit Carter so much as discredit the views of those who think that, because he won a Cup with LA, that he would have been able to help the Flyers win a Cup this season had they held onto him.


- phantasm

I don't disagree with that. I'm not on board with those who think that the Flyers handed anybody the Cup, or blew a chance at the Cup themselves.

I didn't minimize Carter's role.


- phantasm

Yes you did, you minimized Carter's value to the Kings while stating that Couturier and Voracek were huge positives for the Flyers.

As far as Coots and Voracek, I think they outproduced Carter in the reg season and Couturier's defensive prowess in containing Malkin in the playoffs was a thing of beauty and a great sign for the future, so I am making a point that just because JC won a Cup, doesn't negate or outweigh the positive performance on the Flyers of the players received for him thus far and into the future, so one cannot determine who "won" these trades, yet. At this point it's a win-win, which is in contradicition with those casual observers who are sayign the Flyers lost the trade.
- phantasm

I totally agree that it isn't determined who has won the trades. The Kings winning the Cup doesn't change that. As the Flyers didn't deal Carter to the Kings anyway. But I think your undervaluing Carter's contribution to the Kings. It was a huge factor for them adding Carter.

take it for what it is worth But I did hear Eskin report that Richards was giving Lavy the silent treatment on the radio.
- JoeRussomanno

MJL must be a lawyer lol. he will argue anything.

Im sorry MJL i respect you and all...with that being said you must have drank all the orange cool aid if you thought there were no problems between those two and the organization...a friend of mine who worked at skate zone told me last year when this went down that he expected it....the coach and the captain never spoke to each other...in fact lavy would ask richards to meet in private outside of everything to talk...he repeatedly blew lavy off...you can only fire so many coaches before you have to take a hard look at the leadership on your team.
- Philly1980

How many teams trade their two franchise players who are signed long-term with cap friendly hits? How many times does a team trade its Captain after being in the Stanley Cup the year prior? Thats like Vancouver losing in the finals and trading The Sedin Twins. Just not happening.

MJL must be a lawyer lol. he will argue anything.
- Philly1980

In all seriousness and he knows this, I love the way he debates, u guys can all call me crazy that's fine. I don't know what he does for a living but yes If was on trial I would see what I can do to add him to my legal team.

Im sorry MJL i respect you and all...with that being said you must have drank all the orange cool aid if you thought there were no problems between those two and the organization...a friend of mine who worked at skate zone told me last year when this went down that he expected it....the coach and the captain never spoke to each other...in fact lavy would ask richards to meet in private outside of everything to talk...he repeatedly blew lavy off...you can only fire so many coaches before you have to take a hard look at the leadership on your team.
- Philly1980

I never once stated that there weren't any issues in the relationship between Richards and Laviolette. Laviolette is on record talking about that relationship. And it is not true that they never spoke to each other.

And that's where I get all my information, from a freind who works at the Skate Zone. I don't need to say anything more on that.

MJL must be a lawyer lol. he will argue anything.
- Philly1980

no self-respecting lawyer would haunt these parts.

Im sorry MJL i respect you and all...with that being said you must have drank all the orange cool aid if you thought there were no problems between those two and the organization...a friend of mine who worked at skate zone told me last year when this went down that he expected it....the coach and the captain never spoke to each other...in fact lavy would ask richards to meet in private outside of everything to talk...he repeatedly blew lavy off...you can only fire so many coaches before you have to take a hard look at the leadership on your team.
- Philly1980

Let it go...he apparently only believes what the people involved say in public...you know, what they want you to believe. Others apprarently have more sense than that.

yes I supported Bryz this year and part of his troubles were related to him coming to a new team. Also He's a goalie and that position is much harder to play than any other position. As for Richards he started the season rather strongly there then had a drop off. Additionally I don't think the adjustment was as big for him as it was for Bryzgalov, he was playing on a team that had an assitant coach who he already played under.

Jeff Carter was amidst talk all season long about not wanting to be in Columbus. Even before he went there he holed up in his Sea Isle residence in a sort of protest. This has been well documented. Then after all the denying is done he is again traded.
- JoeRussomanno

I think it's unfair to judge both players to different standards. I have no doubt that Carter was unhappy in Columbus and he had every right to be unhappy there.

Let it go...he apparently only believes what the people involved say in public...you know, what they want you to believe. Others apprarently have more sense than that.
- phantasm

So we should listen to the biased agenda driven media instead? I beleive and judge people by the facts that are known. And not by rumour, speculation, and hearsay.

How many teams trade their two franchise players who are signed long-term with cap friendly hits? How many times does a team trade its Captain after being in the Stanley Cup the year prior? Thats like Vancouver losing in the finals and trading The Sedin Twins. Just not happening.
- stveshdy

There was something going on. One time I was involved in an incident as a third party. The investigator told me that in cases of your word against theirs most of the time things are dismissed. However when an investigator can identify a pattern in the accussed's behavior, (Example an employee is moved from workplace to workplace in different regions for an organization and every where they go, there are sexual harrassment complaints, then those complaints have a substantial validity.) and there has been an established pattern on rumor reporting on those two players.

So we should listen to the biased agenda driven media instead? I beleive and judge people by the facts that are known. And not by rumour, speculation, and hearsay.
- MJL

What agenda does the media have against them in different parts of the country though?

Let it go...he apparently only believes what the people involved say in public...you know, what they want you to believe. Others apprarently have more sense than that.
- phantasm

I hear what you are saying and while I agree with your side in the argument I don't mind the other poster questioning the validity of the accusations.