Actually, over two seasons, he played in 161 games, 38 goals and 82 assists for 120 points. that's two years of solid production.

People keep saying "he only scores because he plays with JT". Assuming that's even correct, so what? The point is, he's developed significant chemistry with the team's franchise forward on the top line to the tune of 120 points over two seasons. He's durable, he seems to be liked in the room. Why risk letting that walk away and hoping you find that same chemistry with someone else being plugged into that spot? Not saying they should go up to or even over $5M, but I have no problem with him making more than Moulson at $4M or so per year on a 3 or four year deal. Moulson will get his payday again in two summers, especially if he keeps scoring 30 goals/season.
- Jethro09

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Yeah I agree. Poulin and Nilsson do look promising as well as Strome, which should work out, but nothing is certain. Hopefully Paranteau resigns and they get some extra help on the back end and get some stronger depth. Personally, I think they should go after Harding if they're looking for a goalie from free agency. Salvador could be a good fit for the Isle
- OilerFanFromBC

1) no
2) yes

"I knew who filled it, but the name escapes me at the moment and I'm too lazy to look at the directory."

EXCELLENT journalistic skills dee, you are truly an inspiration.

My thought on PA is that he is a power play specialist and really helped out our power play. Besides that he was just ok

But they are the price they are because we dont import from Cuba... But countries like say China do.. so they get them cheaper then we do.. see where im going with this?

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- XxNYIxX

If you want a good cuban cigar... you have to go right to the factory in Cuba. Too many knock offs floating around...lol.

Funny thing is Snow an Dunham sucked as players

- Ur Not Me

that has absolutely no relevance to their ability to coach/put a team together

Actually, over two seasons, he played in 161 games, 38 goals and 82 assists for 120 points. that's two years of solid production.

People keep saying "he only scores because he plays with JT". Assuming that's even correct, so what? The point is, he's developed significant chemistry with the team's franchise forward on the top line to the tune of 120 points over two seasons. He's durable, he seems to be liked in the room. Why risk letting that walk away and hoping you find that same chemistry with someone else being plugged into that spot? Not saying they should go up to or even over $5M, but I have no problem with him making more than Moulson at $4M or so per year on a 3 or four year deal. Moulson will get his payday again in two summers, especially if he keeps scoring 30 goals/season.
- Jethro09

thats very true an valid points, 1 question i have is, do u think that PAP produced because he was giving the oppertunity of playing 1st line minutes, compared to the talent thats on the team now? I think the organization really wants Okoposo on that 1st line instead, but he hasnt been productive doing so

plus do u think that if PAP signed somewhere else, could he continue his production, or get 1st line minutes?

Nielsen and Bailey -- I don't think they can put up the points PA did, but I think they bring the same style game on offense. Tavares is another that's certainly an intelligent playmaker, although he brings a heck of a lot more than that. In the pipeline, Strome is the name that jumps out immediately, and to a lesser extent, Rakhshani, and further away, if he ever does make the NHL, Kabanov.

This is not to say I'm happy PA may walk for nothing. I think at this point the Isles might as well give him more money than he's asking for in exchange for fewer years, maybe two. But if he is gone, I'd rather the team go get a player that brings some different skills to the table even if he doesn't put up quite as many points. A player that puts up maybe 50+ points scoring 23 goals by skating well and powering to the net, causing chaos in front is I think more valuable to overall team success than PA putting up 67 points firing passes from the perimeter.
- UIF

Hopefully KO gets the memo (in between watching the NBA & playing video games)

Ill give you Nielson & JT... i hope Bailey becomes that player... but if we can get that 67 points from the second line... even 50 pts... you cant put a price on that. PAP is very needed for this team to succeed.

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PA is a good player... I would welcome him back.

I really hope they throw lots of money to Parise and Suter.

If they don't sign... thats up to them. But I want to hear they tried to land these two studs.

Isles have lots of money to throw @ players... so why not go after both of them.

Do whatever it takes.

that has absolutely no relevance to their ability to coach/put a team together
- LetsGoIsles

I agree but their results so far are pretty relevant.

Hopefully KO gets the memo (in between watching the NBA & playing video games)

Ill give you Nielson & JT... i hope Bailey becomes that player... but if we can get that 67 points from the second line... even 50 pts... you cant put a price on that. PAP is very needed for this team to succeed.

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- XxNYIxX

Hopefully KO gets the memo (in between watching the NBA & playing video games)

Ill give you Nielson & JT... i hope Bailey becomes that player... but if we can get that 67 points from the second line... even 50 pts... you cant put a price on that. PAP is very needed for this team to succeed.

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- XxNYIxX

Okposo should be forced to sit and watch Dustin Browns shifts from February until he was holding the cup over and over again.

PA is a good player... I would welcome him back.

I really hope they throw lots of money to Parise and Suter.

If they don't sign... thats up to them. But I want to hear they tried to land these two studs.

Isles have lots of money to throw @ players... so why not go after both of them.

Do whatever it takes.
- jimmc7722

There will be some rumor of them trying to do so. This way everyone can say its not Snow's fault, "see he tried".

Okposo should be forced to sit and watch Dustin Browns shifts from February until he was holding the cup over and over again.
- Isles316

Fact... those trade rumors lit a fire under his @ss that is still burning

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that has absolutely no relevance to their ability to coach/put a team together
- LetsGoIsles

Are they doing a good job coaching these players?
an putting a team together?

Not that hard picking top prospects when we finish close to last every yr,

Fact... those trade rumors lit a fire under his @ss that is still burning

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- XxNYIxX

agree..

There will be some rumor of them trying to do so. This way everyone can say its not Snow's fault, "see he tried".
- Cptmjl

I hope they try... they need to make up the payroll.

This is something they have to do.

Are they doing a good job coaching these players?
an putting a team together?

Not that hard picking top prospects when we finish close to last every yr,
- Ur Not Me

Yes they are...

Hopefully KO gets the memo (in between watching the NBA & playing video games)

Ill give you Nielson & JT... i hope Bailey becomes that player... but if we can get that 67 points from the second line... even 50 pts... you cant put a price on that. PAP is very needed for this team to succeed.

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- XxNYIxX

Agree with just about all of that, especially KO. He's gotta be more than just an occasional shooter, he has to be a bull along the boards and near the net. Bailey should be a smart playmaker and more, imo, if he can just figure it all out. He has some strength and he has good vision. That's probably what's so frustrating with him...physically, the tools are there.

I just don't agree with the last sentence on its own. I think it goes without saying that we need a quality player, but I don't think it has to be PA. If he walks and no one is brought in that comes close to replacing him, then yeah, I think we're in trouble. But if we somehow get a good power winger, or a sniper as a replacement, I think we'll be OK, maybe even better off.

It's just like Janikowski, when they are with the team they are the best at what they do and we are all fortunate to have them. Once they "part ways" with the team the old, "what do we need him for" and "who cares he's a goalie coach" or "other teams don't have head scouts" BS starts. SOS. You better stop you'll get labeled as a complainer.
- Cptmjl

but what boss would complain about their employee? if your boss is happy with you, he'll resign you; if he isnt happy with you, he doesnt have to put on a show, he just either fires you or doesnt resign you.

Yes they are...
- jimmc7722

Are u satisfied with how the team is now ?
or are you basing it with the over-all prospects within the system?

Are they doing a good job coaching these players?
an putting a team together?

Not that hard picking top prospects when we finish close to last every yr,
- Ur Not Me

dunham, i dont really know but ill assume the guys that deal with him on a daily basis believe so.

garth, i believe he has done a pretty good job of putting a team together. like i said before, i think this is his year to make moves but YES up until now, i think hes done well with sticking to his plan and using the limited resources he has available.

having said that, a ex-nhl player skill, whether its garth/dunham or not, has NOTHING to do with their coaching ability.

ask wayne gretzky how coaching worked out for him....Peter Laviolette played 10 years of hockey, he played 12 total games in the NHL, what does that say about his coaching ability?

Actually, over two seasons, he played in 161 games, 38 goals and 82 assists for 120 points. that's two years of solid production.

People keep saying "he only scores because he plays with JT". Assuming that's even correct, so what? The point is, he's developed significant chemistry with the team's franchise forward on the top line to the tune of 120 points over two seasons. He's durable, he seems to be liked in the room. Why risk letting that walk away and hoping you find that same chemistry with someone else being plugged into that spot? Not saying they should go up to or even over $5M, but I have no problem with him making more than Moulson at $4M or so per year on a 3 or four year deal. Moulson will get his payday again in two summers, especially if he keeps scoring 30 goals/season.
- Jethro09

I know all this.
The original question asked was whether PaP deserves more money than Moulson and my answer is no, and I'm sticking to it. I'd rather have the guy who finishes than sets up.

There really is no issue here, though. We could easily afford both of them, and I think both parties would rather keep things the same.

My other point was, I can't see him doing what he's done here with another team. Maybe a Patrick Division team, but he's really fit to stay here. I hope he does. It would make not trading him a little easier to take.

Actually, over two seasons, he played in 161 games, 38 goals and 82 assists for 120 points. that's two years of solid production.

People keep saying "he only scores because he plays with JT". Assuming that's even correct, so what? The point is, he's developed significant chemistry with the team's franchise forward on the top line to the tune of 120 points over two seasons. He's durable, he seems to be liked in the room. Why risk letting that walk away and hoping you find that same chemistry with someone else being plugged into that spot? Not saying they should go up to or even over $5M, but I have no problem with him making more than Moulson at $4M or so per year on a 3 or four year deal. Moulson will get his payday again in two summers, especially if he keeps scoring 30 goals/season.
- Jethro09

Very good points. I think you almost have to give PA more than you wanted to because you risk losing him for nothing. Isles need to decide on these guys that will be UFA's and either sign them or trade them at the deadline if they do not want to talk deal.

I hope they try... they need to make up the payroll.

This is something they have to do.
- jimmc7722

I agree, filling that cap space up with has beens and players that suck again will make the biggest of cool aide drinkers question what is going on.