Depending on what "more" is, the Isles may have to do that. I personally don't think his value is more than $4M/season. But, management may feel that his value is more because they likely won't be able to bring in another guy to replace PAP's 67 or so points. The only player of significance up front they need to worry about extending at this point is Moulson in two years. Grabs, KO, Nielsen and JT are all signed long-term. If they pay PAP $4M-$4.5M season for a three or four year deal, does it really hurt the Isles in any way salary-wise? I don't think so.
- Jethro09

I agree and they know what they are getting for the most part with PA. The only reasoning to not pay is they have another player who is willing to sign who has comparable numbers salary wise and similar point production. It would be another step backwards on a team that can't afford to do so if he wasn't signed or at the very least replaced.

It's just like Janikowski, when they are with the team they are the best at what they do and we are all fortunate to have them. Once they "part ways" with the team the old, "what do we need him for" and "who cares he's a goalie coach" or "other teams don't have head scouts" BS starts. SOS. You better stop you'll get labeled as a complainer.
- Cptmjl

thanks but im not complaining just stating what i hear,
dont really care what i get labeled as, just being a season tixx holder on 2 seperate occassions, it gets frustrating bc i choose to try an support the team, but also dont wanna throw my money away if i feel the team is not going in the right direction.

funny thing is, anyone with any type of professionalism has parted ways, an the one's who stay, becomes part of the circus act, just dont get it......

Sudsy is the reason all of our goalies drop to their knees 3 seconds before the shot comes. When you don't have reflexes like DiPietro used to before he got hurt, you simply can't play goal that way. For one example, once everyone in the league figured out that they had the entire top shelf to choose from, Montoya, who moves like a garbage truck in reverse, became a non-factor; we'd have been better off having a trash can in front of the net. I would have fired him a LONG time ago.
- dcb1

before DP got hurt, which goalies are u referring to, bc its been a goalie-merry-go-round, which all have stunk.... but if u blame Suddsy of that, ok, great, maybe he should have been let ago a long time ago, makes no difference, the team needs alot more then Suddsy

thanks but im not complaining just stating what i hear,
dont really care what i get labeled as, just being a season tixx holder on 2 seperate occassions, it gets frustrating bc i choose to try an support the team, but also dont wanna throw my money away if i feel the team is not going in the right direction.

funny thing is, anyone with any type of professionalism has parted ways, an the one's who stay, becomes part of the circus act, just dont get it......
- Ur Not Me

Agree and agree. I stopped paying for tickets as well, I refuse to. They show me they are actually committed to icing a competitive team I will be at games. Until then people can label me what they want, don't care either.

I agree and they know what they are getting for the most part with PA. The only reasoning to not pay is they have another player who is willing to sign who has comparable numbers salary wise and similar point production. It would be another step backwards on a team that can't afford to do so if he wasn't signed or at the very least replaced.
- Cptmjl

Hate to break it to u, but last i heard is that PAP will not be resigned unless he drops his price, which he will not bc its his last chance for payday.....
but i am angered bc he should of been traded before the deadline an got something, instead of nothing

It's just like Janikowski, when they are with the team they are the best at what they do and we are all fortunate to have them. Once they "part ways" with the team the old, "what do we need him for" and "who cares he's a goalie coach" or "other teams don't have head scouts" BS starts. SOS. You better stop you'll get labeled as a complainer.
- Cptmjl

Point taken. I remember when Montoya was playing well last season they were saying, Oh, Sudsie noticed something with his skates and fixed it and it's made him a lot more balanced, allowing him to make all of these saves. Now that he's gone, he's the reason Montoya was bad this season.

I don't have a horse in the race, as I don't have the slightest clue what kind of goalie coach the man was outside of a few scattered kind words I've heard some of the goalies say about him. But I do find it funny when we all trash guys who leave here for no real reason. Even Ted Nolan. We went from loving the guy and everything in the organization being a "Nolan-type [fill in the blank]" to, He coached a boring style that I never enjoyed watching anyway! and, No one's hired him since so everything we thought we saw those two years is wrong and he stinks!

Hate to break it to u, but last i heard is that PAP will not be resigned unless he drops his price, which he will not bc its his last chance for payday.....
but i am angered bc he should of been traded before the deadline an got something, instead of nothing
- Ur Not Me

I would not be shocked in any way if this happens, i said at the trade deadline that Snow would more or likely be left with egg on his face. I was then called an idiot for thinking that and told we would have only gotten at most a second rounder for him. We'll see how it plays out, should be interesting...

Point taken. I remember when Montoya was playing well last season they were saying, Oh, Sudsie noticed something with his skates and fixed it and it's made him a lot more balanced, allowing him to make all of these saves. Now that he's gone, he's the reason Montoya was bad this season.

I don't have a horse in the race, as I don't have the slightest clue what kind of goalie coach the man was outside of a few scattered kind words I've heard some of the goalies say about him. But I do find it funny when we all trash guys who leave here for no real reason. Even Ted Nolan. We went from loving the guy and everything in the organization being a "Nolan-type
- UIF[fill in the blank]" to, He coached a boring style that I never enjoyed watching anyway! and, No one's hired him since so everything we thought we saw those two years is wrong and he stinks!

Exactly. I don't know the first thing about being a goalie coach or what makes a good one? I just find it funny that when someone has something "negative" to say about someone leaving it's thought of as "complaining" when these same people were singing said players/coaches/whatever praises earlier. There just seems to be an exodus of people in professional positions leaving the Islanders and it always seems to be due to sketchy or vague reasons. I love the whole no one has hired "Neil Smith since" argument. The guy made an impact in the thirty days he was GM and it was positive

If there is, I don't care to see it. I'll take his word for it.
- Jethro09

Seems to be now for some reason? When the Islanders seem to be at their nuttiness he is all of a sudden border line protective of Snow and Wang? Little strange to say the least.
- Cptmjl

Maybe Snow & Wang are hookin him up with Cuban Cigars!

XxNYIxX

I would not be shocked in any way if this happens, i said at the trade deadline that Snow would more or likely be left with egg on his face. I was then called an idiot for thinking that and told we would have only gotten at most a second rounder for him. We'll see how it plays out, should be interesting...
- Cptmjl

last i heard was PAP's agent is asking price is at 4.5m a yr
an Snow offered 3.5m a yr
some ppl think he will sign with a canadien team,
as much as some ppl think he is worth the money or not,
i was not a fan of PA, i dont know why, just felt he was a product of being on
JT's line, thats just my opinion,

Maybe Snow & Wang are hookin him up with Cuban Cigars!

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

You kidding, you know how much those things cost?

Maybe Snow & Wang are hookin him up with Cuban Cigars!

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

last i heard was PAP's agent is asking price is at 4.5m a yr
an Snow offered 3.5m a yr
some ppl think he will sign with a canadien team,
as much as some ppl think he is worth the money or not,
i was not a fan of PA, i dont know why, just felt he was a product of being on
JT's line, thats just my opinion,
- Ur Not Me

He played really well on the second line as well and towards the end of the season was one of the few players playing with heart. I understand some people's concerns with him I find myself wavering sometimes

Not really, especially when I'm speaking from experience. I've been a fan of this team my whole life and am considered a "complainer" on here. I refuse to buy tickets to this team until management shows a commitment to icing a competitive team. I have been a season ticket holder in the past but will not commit to buying tickets until our owner and GM commit to winning, I see nothing wrong with it.
- Cptmjl

You aren't really "Considered"... you ARE.



XxNYIxX

last i heard was PAP's agent is asking price is at 4.5m a yr
an Snow offered 3.5m a yr
some ppl think he will sign with a canadien team,
as much as some ppl think he is worth the money or not,
i was not a fan of PA, i dont know why, just felt he was a product of being on
JT's line, thats just my opinion,
- Ur Not Me

Maybe someone will be interested in his rights at the draft and we can at least swing a 3rd rounder out of it or something. With so many teams looking for goaltending and scoring depth, I think the Isles struck out by taking Nabokov and PA off the market so quickly at the deadline. But oh well, at least Nabokov is back for a year, and if PA's not going to sign, hopefully the Isles can squeeze something out of it before July 1.

Is there actual evidence of this?
- BringBackBalky

There is a video of it somewhere!

XxNYIxX

It does bc both are part of the circus act,
Sometimes crappy players are not good teachers of the game,
an sometimes crappy players are good teachers of the game,

these 2 buddies flat out sucked.....
- Ur Not Me

There have been great players that can coach their way out of a paper bag (#99 anyone?)
There is an old saying, those who cant.. become teachers. Dunham is perfect!

XxNYIxX

PAP is looking to cash in on his season. He should be. Its probably the first and last big payday he's going to get. Based on comparables, PAP is going to ask for $4.5M/season. If the Islanders feel that's too much, they're not going to pay him. Considering their cap situation, I don't see why the Isles wouldn't give him a 4 year deal at $16M. Even a three-year deal at $12M wouldn't be bad.
- Jethro09

While PAP has done a good job, he doesn't deserve more than Matt Molson.

Hate to break it to u, but last i heard is that PAP will not be resigned unless he drops his price, which he will not bc its his last chance for payday.....
but i am angered bc he should of been traded before the deadline an got something, instead of nothing
- Ur Not Me

unless none bites, then he HAS to

XxNYIxX

Didn't see that last year but I agree on PAP. He needs to be signed. Snow put himself in this situation by not trading him unfortunately. 5 million(I personally don't think he's worth it) is a bit steep but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets that and strangely enough it wouldn't surprise me if he gets less. It can go either way. I said it at the trade deadline that this was going to be a problem. Most of the replies to this thought were, "Pa owns buisnesses on LI" and "PA loves LI and is going to re-sign". We'll see, he may but I'm not holding my breath.
- Cptmjl

$5 million is too much money for PAP but the Isles NEED to spend money just to get to floor. My point was basically, why not over pay for a guy that's actually very good and productive rather than let him walk and fill that $5 million hole with two or three washed up players that take time away from young players.

While PAP has done a good job, he doesn't deserve more than Matt Molson.
- kear20

No but Matt Moulson has a bargain. Only 3 players have more goals than him the last 3 seasons I believe.

Exactly. I don't know the first thing about being a goalie coach or what makes a good one? I just find it funny that when someone has something "negative" to say about someone leaving it's thought of as "complaining" when these same people were singing said players/coaches/whatever praises earlier. There just seems to be an exodus of people in professional positions leaving the Islanders and it always seems to be due to sketchy or vague reasons. I love the whole no one has hired "Neil Smith since" argument. The guy made an impact in the thirty days he was GM and it was positive
- Cptmjl

agreed, thankfully he wasnt here 30 more days to screw everything up!!!

XxNYIxX

You kidding, you know how much those things cost?
- Cptmjl

not much really.

XxNYIxX

Parenteau is Ville Leino part II.
He fits in good when he's playing with Tavares (a superstar) and Moulson (a perennial 30-goal scorer).