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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 12 @ 10:38 AM ET
Yeah i guess the problems he was causing with brown during the season are now forgotten
- Philly1980


When you win a cup everything else is immaterial.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:39 AM ET
There's such a need for continuity and chemistry in this sport. The coaches spend the entire preseason and beginning of the year trying to get the team to buy into a style of play and to have it become second nature on the ice.

It's usually more counter-productive to try to change course mid-season, especially under the same coach. They had to roll with the system they worked on all year, boom or bust.

Changes can be implemented this preseason.

- bradleyc4


Not asking for them to change the system. Asking to be more responsible in their own zone. How hard is it to demand your forwards to give support?

I understand what your saying though.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:39 AM ET
No the defensive system was not built around Pronger. The Flyers play a basic defensive zone coverage and hybrid lock in the neutral zone. Components of defensive play that have been around forever.
- MJL

Fish and Ice Cream are 2 compenents that have been around forever, but you dont put the 2 together... unless your an iron chef!
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jun 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
Not asking for them to change the system. Asking to be more responsible in their own zone. How hard is it to demand your forwards to give support?

I understand what your saying though.

- stveshdy


The positioning of the forwards is part of the system. Asking them to stay back is changing it.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
Fish and Ice Cream are 2 compenents that have been around forever, but you dont put the 2 together... unless your an iron chef!
- RooNosHockey


Have you tried Ben & Jerry's Fish Food? It is scrumptious.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 12 @ 10:41 AM ET
Fish and Ice Cream are 2 compenents that have been around forever, but you dont put the 2 together... unless your an iron chef!
- RooNosHockey

Are you challenging the metaphorical culinary prowess of Chef Lavy?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:41 AM ET
The positioning of the forwards is part of the system. Asking them to stay back is changing it.
- bradleyc4


So we're not demanding any forwards to come back? One way players? Theres other ways to adjust. Keeping a forward higher or Center above the circle without killing the system.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:43 AM ET
So we're not demanding any forwards to come back? One way players? Theres other ways to adjust. Keeping a forward higher or Center above the circle.
- stveshdy


i think he was talking about the positioning of the forwards in the offensive zone.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:44 AM ET
Are you challenging the metaphorical culinary prowess of Chef Lavy?
- BulliesPhan87


al la cusine! Lavy isn't fit to cook Morimoto's eggs.
Jimmygrazz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 04.23.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:44 AM ET
I'll be the first to admit I cursed Carter for top shelfing one last night (well two if you want to count the redirect) thinking about that shot hitting Niemi in the face
- nastyflyergirl


I cursed him after his OT winner...
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:45 AM ET
Are you challenging the metaphorical culinary prowess of Chef Lavy?
- BulliesPhan87


I am....Whenever they play a team with a tight defensive system they look like they ran into a wall at 100mph
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:45 AM ET
i think he was talking about the positioning of the forwards in the offensive zone.
- Philly1980


You can make adjustments without killing your system. Teams make adjustments all the time to help out areas of need during the season. I dont get it.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jun 12 @ 10:46 AM ET
Perhaps he should stay out of it and let his hockey people make the decisions.

We're already stuck with Bryz's contract. Let's not make the situation worse.

- bradleyc4


Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:47 AM ET
You can make adjustments without killing your system. Teams make adjustments all the time to help out areas of need during the season. I dont get it.
- stveshdy


Changing the positioning of players is changing the system by definition.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:47 AM ET
So we're not demanding any forwards to come back? One way players? Theres other ways to adjust. Keeping a forward higher or Center above the circle without killing the system.
- stveshdy


The key to Lavi's system is to send the 3 forwards rushing down ice once the defense touches the puck. Unfortunatley, strong forechecking teams, and teams the trap the nuertal zone really fudge with this system as they are either pestering the defense creating turn overs, or cloggin up the passing lanes... creating turn overs.

To change the system to compensate for this, would change the way the offense is played. I think it needs to be changed, but wont be.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 12 @ 10:47 AM ET
You can make adjustments without killing your system. Teams make adjustments all the time to help out areas of need during the season. I dont get it.
- stveshdy


The failure to make adjustments, or execute adjustments is scary. The season series with the Rangers was the same song, as were games 2-5 in the Devils series. Not sure if this is a coaching issue, a personnel issue, or both. But hopefully it gets rectified in short order.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:49 AM ET
The failure to make adjustments, or execute adjustments is scary. The season series with the Rangers was the same song, as were games 2-5 in the Devils series. Not sure if this is a coaching issue, a personnel issue, or both. But hopefully it gets rectified in short order.
- PLindbergh31


I think its youth with a combination of the coach being a little hard headed.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:49 AM ET
Changing the positioning of players is changing the system by definition.
- Philly1980




Got it. So no adjustments are allowed because it changes the system.

*Stores into notebook*
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:51 AM ET
The failure to make adjustments, or execute adjustments is scary. The season series with the Rangers was the same song, as were games 2-5 in the Devils series. Not sure if this is a coaching issue, a personnel issue, or both. But hopefully it gets rectified in short order.
- PLindbergh31


Considering it spans 2 seasons, and more then just the Rangers... i would say its a coaching issue. I think Lavi feels that his system will beat the other systems. I hope this year showed him that every system has a counter style. The team that can adjust thier styles will win a lot more games.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jun 12 @ 10:51 AM ET
As far as I know, Carter was healthy. Maybe it's just a coincidence.
- MJL

Seemed obvious to me. Amazing what you can do when you don't have two broken feet or a separated shoulder.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 12 @ 10:51 AM ET
The failure to make adjustments, or execute adjustments is scary. The season series with the Rangers was the same song, as were games 2-5 in the Devils series. Not sure if this is a coaching issue, a personnel issue, or both. But hopefully it gets rectified in short order.
- PLindbergh31


Hopefully it is rectified because something needs to be done. Theres noway you can expect this team to contend for a cup if they cant play in their own end and are in the bottom 10 in GAA.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 12 @ 10:52 AM ET
I think its youth with a combination of the coach being a little hard headed.
- Philly1980


The defense core and goaltender are pretty much seasoned veterans. I hear what you are saying though. I think the inability to ice any semblance of a healthy team also played a big part.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:52 AM ET
The key to Lavi's system is to send the 3 forwards rushing down ice once the defense touches the puck. Unfortunatley, strong forechecking teams, and teams the trap the nuertal zone really fudge with this system as they are either pestering the defense creating turn overs, or cloggin up the passing lanes... creating turn overs.

To change the system to compensate for this, would change the way the offense is played. I think it needs to be changed, but wont be.

- RooNosHockey


If Lavy doesnt realise that he only has two good defenseman that can move the puck like his system demands then he should be fired. That third pairing had no one that could move the puck the way it was supposed to be moved. Thats where missing pronger hurts you the most...he could thread a pass between three players. God i miss him and im sure lavy does also....
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 12 @ 10:54 AM ET
Hopefully it is rectified because something needs to be done. Theres noway you can expect this team to contend for a cup if they cant play in their own end and are in the bottom 10 in GAA.
- stveshdy


No question. Must get infinitely better defensively in order to challenge for a Championship.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 12 @ 10:55 AM ET
Hopefully it is rectified because something needs to be done. Theres noway you can expect this team to contend for a cup if they cant play in their own end and are in the bottom 10 in GAA.
- stveshdy


Well you can, you just have to hope you don't play teams like Rangers, Devils, Boston, or LA on the way to the finals. There was a reason I was rooting for Ottawa, Washington and Florida to win thier first round match ups... Would have been so close to predicting the Flyers-LA finals... at least I was half right...
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