I think that if Philly wants to land Nash then Columbus would want to be discussing B. Schenn and/or Couturier, maybe +


You may be right about Schenn being in the deal....Don't think the Flyers consider Couturier....So even a Schenn, JVR, Bob and a couple of firsts.....Someone to keep in mind is Jack Johnson....The Flyers have had a man crush on this kid since his draft year.
Nash is still young enough to justify a kings ransom.

I'm still not sure if the Flyers inablity to adjust to teams like NJ, Bos, and NY are the players not executing the game plan, or the coach not adjusting. IMO it is clear that the way to beat NJ's forecheck is to keep your forwards down low for a quick pass from the pressured defense. It ususally comes from the corner to a forward at the top of the circle. LA is doing it perfectly.

I didn't see a second of this when the Flyers were playing NJ. So I can't tell if the coach thought if he kept pushing his system, the Flyers would eventually win out, or if the players were unable or unwilling to make the adjustments the coach was asking for.

IMO, since none of the lines, or players seemed to at least be trying to adjust to quicker passes from the D, I have to assume the coach didn't try and adjust his game. I hope he learns that sometimes he might have to adjust his game plan....
- RooNosHockey

LA is playing a very simple D to D Center breakout. And the Forwards are coming back deep to support the puck, and position for a short high percentage outlet pass. I have doubts that Laviolette teaches and demands that the Flyers forwards go up ice and be ready for a 50 foot low percentage outlet from the defenseman that has to go through 2 forecheckers to get there.

Takes two & half hours to drive from Ottawa to Montreal. Takes half of that or less on a train to get to MSG from most of North Jersey. Not to mention that in the NY/NJ metro area, you have two NFL teams, two NBA teams, two MLB teams and 3 NHL teams, you have to fight for space in the paper. In Ottawa, you have the Roughriders and a AAA baseball team.

Plus, it's a Canadian market in Ottawa.
- Jsaquella

Starting from the rock.. and going stadium to stadium to nassau... It is an hour and 9 minutes.

Going from Nassau Coliseum, to MSG, to the Rock, and then down to Wells Fargo it is a total of 134 miles... and just under a 3 hour drive.

You may be right about Schenn being in the deal....Don't think the Flyers consider Couturier....So even a Schenn, JVR, Bob and a couple of firsts.....Someone to keep in mind is Jack Johnson....The Flyers have had a man crush on this kid since his draft year.
Nash is still young enough to justify a kings ransom.
- landros 2

Well if it's going to take a king's ransom to get him, let the Rags trade a package of Staal/Kreider + to land Nash.

You may be right about Schenn being in the deal....Don't think the Flyers consider Couturier....So even a Schenn, JVR, Bob and a couple of firsts.....Someone to keep in mind is Jack Johnson....The Flyers have had a man crush on this kid since his draft year.
Nash is still young enough to justify a kings ransom.
- landros 2

If the rumors are true, the Flyers refused to consider trading Schenn or Couturier for Nash last season. Why would that change now?

LA is playing a very simple D to D Center breakout. And the Forwards are coming back deep to support the puck, and position for a short high percentage outlet pass. I have doubts that Laviolette teaches and demands that the Flyers forwards go up ice and be ready for a 50 foot low percentage outlet from the defenseman that has to go through 2 forecheckers to get there.
- MJL

The biggest problems the Flyers encountered in the playoffs were lack of team defense and terrible puck support in their own zone.

The forwards were stagnant.. you had guys standing along the walls at center ice while NJD forwards forecheck the hell out of our d-men. There were mini-3v2s all series long. Just total team break down.

Well if it's going to take a king's ransom to get him, let the Rags trade a package of Staal/Kreider + to land Nash.
- PLindbergh31

The flip side could be that the Flyers are dropping this rumor through Eskin to force the Rangers to outbid themselves.

I think that ownership is going to demand a face they can sell if Nash is dealt. Can they sell JvR?
- Jsaquella

I think JVR would fit nice with what Columbus needs/wants. They need to rebuild with promising young players, and they want a face to sell. I doubt Columbus will get both for Nash. After all, if your another NHL franchise, if you have a young stud why would you trade him for Nash?

JVR has the name and the potential to be an NHL stud. Plus he is young enough he can be a major key in a rebuild, and is already signed for a long time, so contract wont be an issue for years to come... So I do think that JVR would be what Columbus would be looking for.

But like I said earlier, I really wouldn't want it. But if Homer does make this trade, I will feel ok, as I'm sure it all works into his plan somehow...

The flip side could be that the Flyers are dropping this rumor through Eskin to force the Rangers to outbid themselves.
- Jsaquella

Possible. I just don't see the Flyers basically changing course again to land Nash. It doesn't make sense to me. But who knows. We will find out in a few weeks.

The only player I can see a so called "mega deal" made for would be Weber.

Who are all these promising young prospects? Howson can get a better deal then that in my opinion. I wouldn't want Bobrovsky is I was him.
- MJL

Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Vorecek, Read.......All players whom I sure we can agree have better days ahead, all have proven they can play in this league....Thats huge......As far as rumors on which players are involved ....take it with a grain of salt....just throwing out names.....But if both Schenn and Couturier are going to be centers then I would think they will fall in behind Giroux for 2 and 3 in the future....I think both kids could develop into # 1s

I think JVR would fit nice with what Columbus needs/wants. They need to rebuild with promising young players, and they want a face to sell. I doubt Columbus will get both for Nash. After all, if your another NHL franchise, if you have a young stud why would you trade him for Nash?

JVR has the name and the potential to be an NHL stud. Plus he is young enough he can be a major key in a rebuild, and is already signed for a long time, so contract wont be an issue for years to come... So I do think that JVR would be what Columbus would be looking for.

But like I said earlier, I really wouldn't want it. But if Homer does make this trade, I will feel ok, as I'm sure it all works into his plan somehow...
- RooNosHockey

True, but you have a market that is tired of losing. The fans there have actually staged protests at the arena. They're tired of seeing the team waste first rounders on guys like Filatov and Brule. They're tired of seeing the decent first rounders like Voracek traded and blossom elsewhere.

With Columbus' track record in the first round, how excited can you get about getting the 20h pick? They have had guys who were great prospects that fizzled and had limited success, so how enticing is JvR? They have a guy who had a great rookie year, then fizzled, so how exciting is Bob?

The flip side could be that the Flyers are dropping this rumor through Eskin to force the Rangers to outbid themselves.
- Jsaquella

I hope the Rangers give up Kreider + to get Nash. That one will come back to bite them...

I don't see the Flyers targeting a high priced forward, unless as someone said, they trade pieces to help on the blueline. I think both Pennsylvania teams will be looking for the same players in FA, should be interesting.

Possible. I just don't see the Flyers basically changing course again to land Nash. It doesn't make sense to me. But who knows. We will find out in a few weeks.

The only player I can see a so called "mega deal" made for would be Weber.
- PLindbergh31

You'll only get to see him when we play against each other.

You'll only get to see him when we play against each other.
- canadianpenfan

Martin for Weber straight up seems plausible.

LA is playing a very simple D to D Center breakout. And the Forwards are coming back deep to support the puck, and position for a short high percentage outlet pass. I have doubts that Laviolette teaches and demands that the Flyers forwards go up ice and be ready for a 50 foot low percentage outlet from the defenseman that has to go through 2 forecheckers to get there.
- MJL

I think that the Flyers do this a lot actually, only they dont have the support from an additional forward. But it works to throw the forecheck off its game. LA is showing the Flyers the blue-print on how to compete with these teams. If Lavi wishes to ignore it and keep banging his head against the wall that is the NY and NJ forecheck and defense.... oh my..

If the rumors are true, the Flyers refused to consider trading Schenn or Couturier for Nash last season. Why would that change now?
- Jsaquella

Don't think they would move both.....but it may take one + a JVR .....I hope they can a deal done......I know I am in the minority ...so be it. Nash is worth it. Perhaps the Rangers do outbid the Flyers....I guess it all depends if Krieder is in the deal....Last year it was a non starter for the Rangers...

The biggest problems the Flyers encountered in the playoffs were lack of team defense and terrible puck support in their own zone.

The forwards were stagnant.. you had guys standing along the walls at center ice while NJD forwards forecheck the hell out of our d-men. There were mini-3v2s all series long. Just total team break down.
- jak521

That is exactly what I was saying.

Possible. I just don't see the Flyers basically changing course again to land Nash. It doesn't make sense to me. But who knows. We will find out in a few weeks.

The only player I can see a so called "mega deal" made for would be Weber.
- PLindbergh31

I wouldn't make the deal based on what I think it would cost. If it was JvR, Bob and the 20th pick, I'd have to do it.

Don't think they would move both.....but it may take one + a JVR .....I hope they can a deal done......I know I am in the minority ...so be it. Nash is worth it. Perhaps the Rangers do outbid the Flyers....I guess it all depends if Krieder is in the deal....Last year it was a non starter for the Rangers...
- landros 2

They wouldn't move either for Nash during the season last year. I wouldn't trade one of them and JvR for Nash now, either.

Martin for Weber straight up seems plausible.
- PLindbergh31

That's silly. No way Shero doesn't ask Poille to add to that pot. Plus, Martin will be a Flyer after JVR is cleared, we've already figured that part out.

The biggest problems the Flyers encountered in the playoffs were lack of team defense and terrible puck support in their own zone.

The forwards were stagnant.. you had guys standing along the walls at center ice while NJD forwards forecheck the hell out of our d-men. There were mini-3v2s all series long. Just total team break down.
- jak521

Mail this to the Flyers. Attn: Peter Laviolette

Bryzgalov for the most part played well in the NJD series. He allowed a couple soft goals but he was generally the Flyers best player.

Injuries had a lot to do with the NJD series, not to make excuses but the Flyers were a MASH unit. That being said, there was very little adjustments made by the coaches, or simply a failure to be able to execute the adjustments. Games 2-5 were a complete replay of each other.

True, but you have a market that is tired of losing. The fans there have actually staged protests at the arena. They're tired of seeing the team waste first rounders on guys like Filatov and Brule. They're tired of seeing the decent first rounders like Voracek traded and blossom elsewhere.

With Columbus' track record in the first round, how excited can you get about getting the 20h pick? They have had guys who were great prospects that fizzled and had limited success, so how enticing is JvR? They have a guy who had a great rookie year, then fizzled, so how exciting is Bob?
- Jsaquella

Oh, I complete agree with every thing you just said. They need to walk a thin line between rebuild and restock. It's clear that by adding 1 "star" and a few prospects it is not going to be enough to turn the team around next year, and most likely the following year. And if they go full rebuild, then you piss off the fans even more. That is why a guy like JVR, who hasnt reached his full potential, but could this next season would be perfect for Columbus.

I wouldn't make the deal based on what I think it would cost. If it was JvR, Bob and the 20th pick, I'd have to do it.
- Jsaquella

No chance that deal nets the Flyers Weber. I bet Nashville would want Schenn, Couturier, Coburn, and a # 1 for Weber. I think Poile would be somewhat reluctant to take on JVR, being that every dollar in Nashville counts.

Oh, I complete agree with every thing you just said. They need to walk a thin line between rebuild and restock. It's clear that by adding 1 "star" and a few prospects it is not going to be enough to turn the team around next year, and most likely the following year. And if they go full rebuild, then you piss off the fans even more. That is why a guy like JVR, who hasnt reached his full potential, but could this next season would be perfect for Columbus.
- RooNosHockey

Jeff Carter and James Wizniewski were supposed to do that this year

No chance that deal nets the Flyers Weber. I bet Nashville would want Schenn, Couturier, Coburn, and a # 1 for Weber. I think Poile would be somewhat reluctant to take on JVR, being that every dollar in Nashville counts.
- PLindbergh31

Not Weber, but as a trade for Nash.

Weber's going to cost an arm and a leg