The money tied up in Carle's contract would. They could trade him but there are risks with that too.
Aside from Kimmo, Suter is closer to being a #1 than anything the Flyers currently have.
If #44 goes down, things will get really scary, especially in the playoffs against the top teams. - flyer_nutter
I agree, Suter is more akin to a #1 than Carle and should Kimmo go down, would be able to more aptly fill that role. I don't think the other poster watched much of Suter's game. I think he plays not that much different from Timonen in terms of his ability to move the puck and to play solid in transition and at both ends as well as run a PP. He played #1 minutes (more minutes than Weber) for the Preds this season and was impressive in top D man duties when Weber was out of the lineup. I think Suter could certainly be a #1 D man on many teams, including the Flyers (sans Pronger). Is he a dominant force Alpha D man like a Pronger, Chara, Weber, and perhaps a Doughty? No...but next tier down is pret-tay good. If he can be had under 6.5ish cap hit, even on a long term (6-8 yr) deal, I'd sooner do that than sign Carle for over 5 mil. Having said that, Suter will be sought after by many teams and his price may be higher. Carle is a viable second choice if Suter isn't available. We'll have to see how things play out.
I agree, Suter is more akin to a #1 than Carle and should Kimmo go down, would be able to more aptly fill that role. I don't think the other poster watched much of Suter's game. I think he plays not that much different from Timonen in terms of his ability to move the puck and to play solid in transition and at both ends as well as run a PP. He played #1 minutes (more minutes than Weber) for the Preds this season and was impressive in top D man duties when Weber was out of the lineup. I think Suter could certainly be a #1 D man on many teams, including the Flyers (sans Pronger). Is he a dominant force Alpha D man like a Pronger, Chara, Weber, and perhaps a Doughty? No...but next tier down is pret-tay good. If he can be had under 6.5ish cap hit, even on a long term (6-8 yr) deal, I'd sooner do that than sign Carle for over 5 mil. Having said that, Suter will be sought after by many teams and his price may be higher. Carle is a viable second choice if Suter isn't available. We'll have to see how things play out. - phantasm
Who is this other poster you are referring to?
Suter is not as good defensively in his own end as Timonen is. Especially in his prime. Suter is not a shut down defender, like Timonen was when he first came here, and still is to a degree. Suter is a very good player, but I have doubts that he'll be worth what your going to have to pay him. And I would be very hesitant to sign Suter to a long term front ended deal to lower the Cap hit. I'd much rather re-sign Carle, and make another move. Whether that is adding a short term player this year, or going all in on a legitimate #1. Which Suter isn't.
Who is this other poster you are referring to? - MJL
Um...you?
How many Preds games did you watch?
Suter is not as good defensively in his own end as Timonen is. Especially in his prime. Suter is not a shut down defender, like Timonen was when he first came here, and still is to a degree. - MJL
Timonen is not a "shut down defender" he wasn't one when he first got here and isn't one now. He's a very good two-way dman, as is Suter.
Suter is a very good player, but I have doubts that he'll be worth what your going to have to pay him. And I would be very hesitant to sign Suter to a long term front ended deal to lower the Cap hit. - MJL
Well, I have a cap hit in mind betwen 6-7 and I would be willing to do a lt front loaded deal to get it done. You have your opinion and I have mine.
I'd much rather re-sign Carle, and make another move. Whether that is adding a short term player this year, or going all in on a legitimate #1. Which Suter isn't. - MJL
I'm ok with signing Carle. In fact, I just got word (unconfirmed) that he may be signed at 4.5 per yr for 4 yrs. I'm fine with that. We can still pursue Suter, and trade Carle after the fact if necessary or find a way to keep both?
I base my assessment of Suter as being capable of being a #1 on many teams on having watched him play a lot over the past few years, on his getting more minutes than Weber and being a very good two-way player who can move the puck, defend against team's top lines and QB the poweplay. On what criteria do you base your premise of him not being capable of being a #1?
I've watched quite a few Preds games. And certainly enough to know what kind of player Suter is
Timonen is not a "shut down defender" he wasn't one when he first got here and isn't one now. He's a very good two-way dman, as is Suter.
- phantasm
Timonen absolutely was a shut down defender when he first got here. And still is a very good defensive defenseman. And was/is a much better defensive player then Suter. How many Flyers games have you watched?
Well, I have a cap hit in mind betwen 6-7 and I would be willing to do a lt front loaded deal to get it done. You have your opinion and I have mine.
- phantasm
Your right, I do have an opinion. And my opinion is that I'd be hesitant in doing a 8-10 year deal for Suter. I don't view him as that good of a player to sign him to that type of deal.
I'm ok with signing Carle. In fact, I just got word (unconfirmed) that he may be signed at 4.5 per yr for 4 yrs. I'm fine with that. We can still pursue Suter, and trade Carle after the fact if necessary or find a way to keep both?
I base my assessment of Suter as being capable of being a #1 on many teams on having watched him play a lot over the past few years, on his getting more minutes than Weber and being a very good two-way player who can move the puck, defend against team's top lines and QB the poweplay. On what criteria do you base your premise of him not being capable of being a #1? - phantasm
He's not a shut down defensive player. He is solid in his own end. But is not on the level of top defensive defenseman in the League. While certainly being able to handle himself, he lacks a physical element to his game, that true #1 defenseman have. He can certainly QB the PP, and that is his best attribute that he would bring to the Flyers. But if I'm going to pay him top dollar, I want a true #1 in all aspects. And Suter isn't that in my opinion. He's a very good player, and an upgrade over Carle. But not worth what he would likely have to pay.
Just saw Timmy P. on nhl live he said that Pronger's contract isn't a +35 contract cause he signed it when he was 34. that can't be right can it?
On Suter I have watched a ton of games people are short changing his defensive play. He is a very good defender. - PhillyFran
Pronger's contract was determined it is a 35+ deal a while ago. That ship has sailed. It doesn't matter how old you are when you sign the deal. It matters how old you are on June 30th of the year the deal begins.
Timonen absolutely was a shut down defender when he first got here. And still is a very good defensive defenseman. How many Flyers games have you watched?
- MJL
There's a difference in being a very good two-way D man and being a "shut down defender"...while he is adept defensively, very few would describe Timonen's game as being a "shut down defender"..for that I think of a more physical, bigger player like Chara or Pronger or Lidstrom or for a more pureplay shutdown type, a guy like Grossman. Suter's defensive game isn't that unlike Timonen's imo...they can both D up very well but neither of them are primarily known as "shutdown defenders".
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If Polie (I know big "if") gets the impression from the Weber camp, he will not sign an extension, does Poile move him at the draft, or hold onto him into next year? I would assume Poile would get a lot more in return in a few weeks, then keeping him until next year.
My opinion he either signs a long-term extension before the season or is traded in a couple of weeks. - ravishingone
I agree, If Weber wants to do another one year deal, the Preds will be looking for trade partners or shall I say SUTERS heh heh, play on words
There's a difference in being a very good two-way D man and being a "shut down defender"...while he is adept defensively, very few would describe Timonen's game as being a "shut down defender"..for that I think of a more physical, bigger player like Chara or Pronger or Lidstrom or for a more pureplay shutdown type, a guy like Grossman. Suter's defensive game isn't that unlike Timonen's imo...they can both D up very well but neither of them are primarily known as "shutdown defenders". - phantasm
There's a lot of hole's here. Lidstrom is not in any way a physical player. Timonen was absolutely a shutdown defender in his prime. Suter is a very solid player in his own end. But isn't as good as Timonen was in his prime. Grossmann is a solid defensive defenseman, but I would not label him as shutdown type in any way.
Chara, Lidstrom, and Pronger are elite top level NHL defenseman. There's a big difference between a shut down defensive defender. And top level Hall of Fame caliber players such as Lidstrom and Pronger. And perennial Norris Trophy level players like all 3.
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Pronger's contract was determined it is a 35+ deal a while ago. That ship has sailed. It doesn't matter how old you are when you sign the deal. It matters how old you are on June 30th of the year the deal begins. - MJL
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There's a lot of hole's here. Lidstrom is not in any way a physical player. Timonen was absolutely a shutdown defender in his prime. Suter is a very solid player in his own end. But isn't as good as Timonen was in his prime. Grossmann is a solid defensive defenseman, but I would not label him as shutdown type in any way. - MJL
Biggest thing is, what would the cost be to get Enstrom? I would rather try and keep this group of young talent together, mainly due to the youth and skil, and wait til next off season to get a "bigger name" D man. If Enstrom can be had for a decent value then by all means Mr.Bond
Biggest thing is, what would the cost be to get Enstrom? I would rather try and keep this group of young talent together, mainly due to the youth and skil, and wait til next off season to get a "bigger name" D man. If Enstrom can be had for a decent value then by all means Mr.Bond - bigmookalookie
If I was going to get Enstrom, I would not re-sign Carle.
