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BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:00 PM ET
No worries, thanks.

I guess one of us thinks they are fabulous!

- Daman


I wasn't taking a shot at MJL. I don't always agree with him but he generally knows his poop.

I'm just glad somebody has it all figured out. I certainly don't.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:00 PM ET
I'm ok with Coburn and Grossmann leading the way and Timmo and Carle taking up minutes. Mez on the third is nice. Coburn can be a beast.

Let Timmo get his rest. We'll be fine. Its about the end of the year anyway.

- Daman


Richie does his best flip the switch impression this year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:02 PM ET
I wasn't taking a shot at MJL. I don't always agree with him but he generally knows his poop.

I'm just glad somebody has it all figured out. I certainly don't.

- BringBack25



Just to clarify my statement of having it all figured out. Specifically, I have no idea what they're going to do. But I do know that the Flyers will try and improve their team. And the chances of them not making some kind of move? Slim to none.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:05 PM ET
Enstrom is absolutely in the same class of player as Suter is. Without a doubt. In your plan your looking for Suter to be the savior. You'd be disappointed. Suter would help on the PP, and add a threat there. But regardless if Timonen went down, the same issue would be there.
- MJL


Suter will in no way be a savior. However he will take up minutes more effectively than Carle.

A team with Suter compared to a team with Carle is a better team.

Carle is what he is, a miracle worker. However the time has come to upgrade.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:06 PM ET
I wasn't taking a shot at MJL. I don't always agree with him but he generally knows his poop.

I'm just glad somebody has it all figured out. I certainly don't.

- BringBack25



Thats why we vote.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:07 PM ET
Suter will in no way be a savior. However he will take up minutes more effectively than Carle.

A team with Suter compared to a team with Carle is a better team.

Carle is what he is, a miracle worker. However the time has come to upgrade.

- flyer_nutter


Suter is a better player then Carle. But he's not 2M better. If you can get Suter for 5.5-6M without getting into a long term 10 year front loaded deal, I'm all for it. But is that possible?
And Suter isn't that good of a player to overcome the loss of Timonen versus if Carle was here instead. The difference between Suter and Carle isn't that great.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 4:08 PM ET
Suter will in no way be a savior. However he will take up minutes more effectively than Carle.

A team with Suter compared to a team with Carle is a better team.

Carle is what he is, a miracle worker. However the time has come to upgrade.

- flyer_nutter


However, a team with Carle and another decent defenseman we can afford is better than a team with Suter and a scrub because we couldn't afford anyone else.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:09 PM ET
However, a team with Carle and another decent defenseman we can afford is better than a team with Suter and a scrub because we couldn't afford anyone else.
- MBFlyerfan


That is where a package involving JVR and Subban comes in. Clears the space for Suter to begin with.

I hate that Jagr is going to take up probably around 3 million.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 4:11 PM ET
That is where a package involving JVR and Subban comes in.

I hate that Jagr is going to take up probably around 3 million.

- flyer_nutter


Maybe, but Jagr brings so much to the table. He is worth it for more than just his production in my opinion.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 4:12 PM ET
That is where a package involving JVR and Subban comes in. Clears the space for Suter to begin with.

I hate that Jagr is going to take up probably around 3 million.

- flyer_nutter


And I hate that Suter will probably get 7. Not worth it.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:16 PM ET
That is where a package involving JVR and Subban comes in. Clears the space for Suter to begin with.

I hate that Jagr is going to take up probably around 3 million.

- flyer_nutter


Now were trading for Subban? Is there going to be any reality here?
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 8 @ 4:16 PM ET
Everyday I read this blog (and THANK YOU BILL for that, it is awsome and basically my exclusive source for Flyers news) and most all of the postings (though I only occasionally chime in) and all of the fantasy scenerios of getting a Webber or Suter etc-----the more I think about it, i am totally fine if we resign #68, #25 and #93 and not rip our roster apart. I think we have an excellent core of young talent. If we stay healthy and gel at the right time, the sky is the limit next year.
- FlyersFirst


+1
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:17 PM ET
And I hate that Suter will probably get 7. Not worth it.
- MBFlyerfan


In terms of Jagr I think a veteran like that is a great thing for a team. Just wish it was closer to around 1.5 - 2 millon.

Like Guerin was for Pittsburgh. Never hurts to have enough guys like that.

Suter is not worth that money. In no way close.

Thats where smart drafting would be a god-send. However the Flyers seem to want to buy their #1 d-men. You have to overpay.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 8 @ 4:18 PM ET
And I hate that Suter will probably get 7. Not worth it.
- MBFlyerfan


You're location states: "the bringer of pain and death". With such an array of talents, would you inlclude salary cap assessments as an additional talent? If so, I am both impressed and humbled.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 8 @ 4:19 PM ET
Now were trading for Subban? Is there going to be any reality here?
- MJL


No.

Just some personality. Can always continue to talk about Carle. However to me that gets boring as nails, so there is a transititon to a new topic.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 4:23 PM ET
No.

Just some personality. Can always continue to talk about Carle. However to me that gets boring as nails, so there is a transititon to a new topic.

- flyer_nutter


Well the blog is about Carle. And it is reality to talk about Carle being back with the team next year. But as always, the conversation goes where it goes.
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 8 @ 5:03 PM ET
Just to clarify my statement of having it all figured out. Specifically, I have no idea what they're going to do. But I do know that the Flyers will try and improve their team. And the chances of them not making some kind of move? Slim to none.
- MJL


As opposed to the teams that try and make their team worse?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 5:41 PM ET
Now were trading for Subban? Is there going to be any reality here?
- MJL


Is it the latest popular rumor ?
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 8 @ 5:50 PM ET
If Polie (I know big "if") gets the impression from the Weber camp, he will not sign an extension, does Poile move him at the draft, or hold onto him into next year? I would assume Poile would get a lot more in return in a few weeks, then keeping him until next year.

My opinion he either signs a long-term extension before the season or is traded in a couple of weeks.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 5:55 PM ET
Is it the latest popular rumor ?
- ob18


I have no idea!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 8 @ 5:56 PM ET
Suter is a better player then Carle. But he's not 2M better. If you can get Suter for 5.5-6M without getting into a long term 10 year front loaded deal, I'm all for it. But is that possible?
- MJL


Suter's is a more viable long-term replacement for Timonen, though, and that's ultimately what we're talking about if they decide to move heaven and earth to make a run at him. Carle is a complimentary guy, not so much an anchor you'd want to tie your ship to.

Honestly, though, I would be surprised if Suter leaves Nashville, and if he does, he probably doesn't get out of the Central Division.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 8 @ 6:00 PM ET
You're location states: "the bringer of pain and death". With such an array of talents, would you inlclude salary cap assessments as an additional talent? If so, I am both impressed and humbled.
- Daman


Looks like someone sat on something long and uncomfortable. Pull it out before you do permanent damage.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 8 @ 6:05 PM ET
Suter's is a more viable long-term replacement for Timonen, though, and that's ultimately what we're talking about if they decide to move heaven and earth to make a run at him. Carle is a complimentary guy, not so much an anchor you'd want to tie your ship to.

Honestly, though, I would be surprised if Suter leaves Nashville, and if he does, he probably doesn't get out of the Central Division.

- Tomahawk


When Kimmo was acquired, he was a bona fide #1 d-man at the time. Of course, some years later he isn't that player, but can certainly be an effective 2nd pairing d-man. As good as Suter has been in his career, I don't believe he is viewed as a clear cut #1. However, is it because he plays next to a top-tier stud in Weber, or is he just a better overall version then Carle? I'm not sure what the answer is to the question about Suter. Of course, the guy I move mountains to acquire is Weber.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 8 @ 6:08 PM ET
Suter's is a more viable long-term replacement for Timonen, though, and that's ultimately what we're talking about if they decide to move heaven and earth to make a run at him. Carle is a complimentary guy, not so much an anchor you'd want to tie your ship to.

Honestly, though, I would be surprised if Suter leaves Nashville, and if he does, he probably doesn't get out of the Central Division.

- Tomahawk


I don't agree. If your thinking that Suter is a replacement for a #1 defenseman, I think you'll be disappointed. Suter is an upgrade over Carle, and gives you a PP QB. Suter is also a complimentary guy. And not an anchor to tie your ship to. But the biggest difference is that you'll have to pay Suter as though he is that anchor. So who's the better value. The difference between Suter and Carle isn't that big.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jun 8 @ 6:13 PM ET
Looks like someone sat on something long and uncomfortable. Pull it out before you do permanent damage.
- MBFlyerfan


Thanks! On that one, it sounds like bringer of pain.
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