I understand the logic behind the rule. I'd rather see them limit all contract to over 35 guys to 3 years max.
- Jsaquella

Thats not a bad idea either. Limit the years on those contracts.

I think thats the plan but honestly I think Hamels is going to sign elsewhere. The Phillies are not going to commit that kind of cash to him. Hes very good but the Phillies are in a rebuilding mode. Hamels is young at 27 but I dont think they want to commit to that long term deal. Pitchers are high risk. Tough situation but I would deal him and load up with prospects. Hes your best trade chip at this point.
- stveshdy

He is, but trading him also means a longer rebuild. Also, lot of teams have really blown trades when they moved their ace for prospects & young players.

I think thats the plan but honestly I think Hamels is going to sign elsewhere. The Phillies are not going to commit that kind of cash to him. Hes very good but the Phillies are in a rebuilding mode. Hamels is young at 27 but I dont think they want to commit to that long term deal. Pitchers are high risk. Tough situation but I would deal him and load up with prospects. Hes your best trade chip at this point.
- stveshdy

i wouldnt be suprised if vicotorino and hamels go, hamels would sadden me

He is, but trading him also means a longer rebuild. Also, lot of teams have really blown trades when they moved their ace for prospects & young players.
- Jsaquella

I dont trade Hamels unless I'm getting back another teams top prospects. I want prospects who are MLB ready. Guys who can step in and start playing right away. I think with or without Hamels the rebuild is going to take time unless they get some stones and move multiple players and stock up.

I dont trade Hamels unless I'm getting back another teams top prospects. I want prospects who are MLB ready. Guys who can step in and start playing right away. I think with or without Hamels the rebuild is going to take time unless they get some stones and move multiple players and stock up.
- stveshdy

no marbles

I dont trade Hamels unless I'm getting back another teams top prospects. I want prospects who are MLB ready. Guys who can step in and start playing right away. I think with or without Hamels the rebuild is going to take time unless they get some stones and move multiple players and stock up.
- stveshdy

That's how it'd have to be. Trade all guys who are FA's, guys like Polanco at the end of the line for whatever and focus on scouting like bastards

i wouldnt be suprised if vicotorino and hamels go, hamels would sadden me
- bigmookalookie

Its not IF its a matter of when. Their in last place for over a month I believe. This team just isnt good enough. Too many holes all over the place. The offense is terrible and the bullpen is even worse. Lee doesnt even have a win yet this year. The Marlins, Nats, and Braves are all better than the Phillies right now. Those teams are not going away.

That's how it'd have to be. Trade all guys who are FA's, guys like Polanco at the end of the line for whatever and focus on scouting like bastards
- Jsaquella

Thats the move. Ruben has to be a seller. I think hes holding out as long as possible but he knows he is going to have to blow it up.

Thats the move. Ruben has to be a seller. I think hes holding out as long as possible but he knows he is going to have to blow it up.
- stveshdy

he is waiting for the best time/reason to blow it up

he is waiting for the best time/reason to blow it up
- bigmookalookie

Their 6 games out of first but they have played more games than the teams ahead of them. Every night they win its fools gold. The more they lose the sooner he blows it up. I'm just waiting for the change to occur.

No disrespect to this current group of guys they won a title and were great to watch for years. All good things have to come to an end though.

Obviously, you're missing what I'm saying. I understand that Pronger counts against the cap if he retires. I also understand LTIR and that the Flyers get cap relief from Pronger being on LTIR.

However, that has absolutely ZERO bearing on the conversation. The conversation was about potentially trading Pronger to a team that needed to reach the cap floor.

In that case, Pronger could go to another team that needed to reach the floor, count his $4.91mm cap hit to their cap total, and get paid by insurance, rather than the team that held his contract.

The reason behind this discussion was to clear room for off-season moves. During the off season, Pronger's salary will count against the Flyers cap. Teams can go over the cap by 10% in the off season, but all one way contracts, like Pronger, Laperriere and Matt Walker count against the cap.

If Pronger was traded, and not placed on LTIR(rather placed on the IR) by his new team, he still gets paid by insurance, the new team gets to reach the cap floor without having to spend the money and the Flyers not only get Pronger off their books and off season cap, they get an open contract slot.
- Jsaquella

I read most of all your posts and think you are one of the better posters on this thread but I think u maybe putting too many cable hrs lately if you think a team would do that, even if the the NHL would allow it. I think there are better ways to reach the floor.....

Their 6 games out of first but they have played more games than the teams ahead of them. Every night they win its fools gold. The more they lose the sooner he blows it up. I'm just waiting for the change to occur.

No disrespect to this current group of guys they won a title and were great to watch for years. All good things have to come to an end though.
- stveshdy

I see him having deals in place very shortly, Its just a matter of time. Love th championship in 08 but its time to let go and blow it up.

I see him having deals in place very shortly, Its just a matter of time. Love th championship in 08 but its time to let go and blow it up.
- bigmookalookie

They had two good chances to win again. Lost in the WS to NY. Last year was their best chance again and they didnt get it done. The window on this team has closed with this current group.

It's amazing to me the differences in view when it comes to Crosby's concussions the last year and half and then Pronger's recent concussion. Is it the age difference? I'd like to know who's was worse and on what level. Why can't Pronger come back with serious time off? What's Pronger's concussion history look like?
- roenick97

Each head injury is different.

Pronger doesn't recall ever being concussed before and considers that to be one reason he didn't realize he'd been concussed this time. Thus he ended up playing a number of games while still suffering symptoms from the undiagnosed concussion (not realizing they were concussion symptoms, but thinking he was lethargic due to having been on bedrest for the eye injury and just needing to get back into game shape). Theoretically, the reinjury in those games could very much be a cause of more severe damage.

I'm not convinced Crosby is really recovered. He didn't seem himself in the P'burgh series after his collision with Malkin in game 4.

I read most of all your posts and think you are one of the better posters on this thread but I think u maybe putting too many cable hrs lately if you think a team would do that, even if the the NHL would allow it. I think there are better ways to reach the floor.....
- huks99

It's nothing more than a theoretical discussion.

It's definitely possible that the NHL would nix such a trade. It's also very unlikely that the Flyers would dump Pronger on another team in such a cavalier manner. Just a discussion of possibilities, not probabilities.

The fact remains that Boston will be trying to trade Tim Thomas in similar fashion this summer. The other fact is that with the rise in the cap, the salary floor will also go up, meaning there will be other teams like Florida and the Islanders that need to either overpay for players or find ways to pad their cap to reach the floor.

It doesn't have a (frank)ing thing to do with too many hours at work.

They had two good chances to win again. Lost in the WS to NY. Last year was their best chance again and they didnt get it done. The window on this team has closed with this current group.
- stveshdy

yup agree, time to call it a day on this current crew. utley needs to hang em up, he cant play anymore and he can only play 1/2 a season

Each head injury is different.

Pronger doesn't recall ever being concussed before and considers that to be one reason he didn't realize he'd been concussed this time. Thus he ended up playing a number of games while still suffering symptoms from the undiagnosed concussion (not realizing they were concussion symptoms, but thinking he was lethargic due to having been on bedrest for the eye injury and just needing to get back into game shape). Theoretically, the reinjury in those games could very much be a cause of more severe damage.

I'm not convinced Crosby is really recovered. He didn't seem himself in the P'burgh series after his collision with Malkin in game 4.
- bodiva88

Crosby was also invisible after the Giroux hit to start game 6

It's nothing more than a theoretical discussion.

It's definitely possible that the NHL would nix such a trade. It's also very unlikely that the Flyers would dump Pronger on another team in such a cavalier manner. Just a discussion of possibilities, not probabilities.

The fact remains that Boston will be trying to trade Tim Thomas in similar fashion this summer. The other fact is that with the rise in the cap, the salary floor will also go up, meaning there will be other teams like Florida and the Islanders that need to either overpay for players or find ways to pad their cap to reach the floor.
- Jsaquella

guess butsy is still on his sabbatical eh

Obviously, you're missing what I'm saying. I understand that Pronger counts against the cap if he retires. I also understand LTIR and that the Flyers get cap relief from Pronger being on LTIR.

However, that has absolutely ZERO bearing on the conversation. The conversation was about potentially trading Pronger to a team that needed to reach the cap floor.

In that case, Pronger could go to another team that needed to reach the floor, count his $4.91mm cap hit to their cap total, and get paid by insurance, rather than the team that held his contract.

The reason behind this discussion was to clear room for off-season moves. During the off season, Pronger's salary will count against the Flyers cap. Teams can go over the cap by 10% in the off season, but all one way contracts, like Pronger, Laperriere and Matt Walker count against the cap.

If Pronger was traded, and not placed on LTIR(rather placed on the IR) by his new team, he still gets paid by insurance, the new team gets to reach the cap floor without having to spend the money and the Flyers not only get Pronger off their books and off season cap, they get an open contract slot.
- Jsaquella

But the Flyers have insurance for to pay their own player if he is injured. If they trade him, I doubt the insurance is portable to the new team. And the new team couldn't get insurance on an already injured player.

It's nothing more than a theoretical discussion.

It's definitely possible that the NHL would nix such a trade. It's also very unlikely that the Flyers would dump Pronger on another team in such a cavalier manner. Just a discussion of possibilities, not probabilities.

The fact remains that Boston will be trying to trade Tim Thomas in similar fashion this summer. The other fact is that with the rise in the cap, the salary floor will also go up, meaning there will be other teams like Florida and the Islanders that need to either overpay for players or find ways to pad their cap to reach the floor.

It doesn't have a (frank)ing thing to do with too many hours at work.
- Jsaquella

Tim Thomas isn't injured. So any team that has him will have no relief if he really does choose to sit out the season.

Tim Thomas isn't injured. So any team that has him will have no relief if he really does choose to sit out the season.
- bodiva88

The team can suspend him for not reporting, which means he does not get paid.

But the Flyers have insurance for to pay their own player if he is injured. If they trade him, I doubt the insurance is portable to the new team. And the new team couldn't get insurance on an already injured player.
- bodiva88

The insurance is paid by the NHL, not it's individual clubs.

guess butsy is still on his sabbatical eh
- bigmookalookie

Yeah, I miss the Hespeler wildman

I dont trade Hamels unless I'm getting back another teams top prospects. I want prospects who are MLB ready. Guys who can step in and start playing right away. I think with or without Hamels the rebuild is going to take time unless they get some stones and move multiple players and stock up.
- stveshdy

If you know you can't get Cole signed at the end of this season, you get everyone's best offer and take what you can get. Because you can't just let him walk for nothing.

The team can suspend him for not reporting, which means he does not get paid.
- Jsaquella

Yeah but no matter what Thomas will count against the cap, right? Pronger can be LTIR and his money can be used during the season.