I like your idea, but Meyers is just starting a seven year extension this year, I don't believe he is going anywhere, especially at a cap hit of $5.5 million.
I think there may be a shot to get Boyle out of SJ, but he is getting up in age, not sure the Flyers would want to give up the assests necessary to get the job done.
I like your idea, but Meyers is just starting a seven year extension this year, I don't believe he is going anywhere, especially at a cap hit of $5.5 million.
I think there may be a shot to get Boyle out of SJ, but he is getting up in age, not sure the Flyers would want to give up the assests necessary to get the job done. - ravishingone
I like Alex Edler as well and hes on the last year of his deal. You would think that Vancouver will do what it has to inorder to keep him. He would be a player I would deal for and try to sign long-term.
I like Alex Edler as well and hes on the last year of his deal. You would think that Vancouver will do what it has to inorder to keep him. He would be a player I would deal for and try to sign long-term. - stveshdy
Agreed on Edler. Also, I think Bieksa would be a perfect Flyer but with a $4.6 million cap hit and a NTC, he isn't going anywhere. I'm not as against Luke Schenn as others, but somehow I would want Homer to somehow switch first round picks with the Leafs in the process. I know it is fantasy, but this is the silly season.
There could be a team needing to get the the salary floor that might take on Pronger's contract. I expect the Bruins to try and trade Tim Thomas under similar circumstances, since his cap hit will count and they don;t have any LTIR options for him.
- Jsaquella
Today @ 10:43 AM ET
I can't see a team paying any player on LTIR and semi-retired the amount of 19.5m over the next 4 years so they can get to a salary floor....when they can use that on an active player, who could contribute on the ice.
- huks99
Furthermore, I think the way the flyers front load there contract w/ large cash in the earlier years and it decreases thru out the contract like pronger, briere, bryz, make them more tradable if healthy and can get by the nmc..... That's a big if.
But brieres contract Paying 7,3,2 m over the next 3 years...avg 4m this year and next 2.5. W/ a cap hit of 6.5m....now that is attractive to a team trying to get to a salary floor....2 and 3m due in salary w/ a 6.5 per yer cap hit....that's doable - huks99
If Pronger retires, the team doesn't pay him, and the team carries the cap hit.
Not in ANY way physical eh? Lidstrom had pretty good size and, though he primarily depended on exceptional body positioning, agility, stickwork and hockey sense, he did, in fact, use his body at times to make defensive plays. Just a quick example:
So, obviously you are off base with the whole "not in any way a physical player".
- phantasm
The old Youtube example huh? Pretty funny. Obviously I didn't say that Lidstrom never made a check in his career. Lidstrom played over 1600 minutes of regular Season Hockey this past Season. In which he registered 41 hits. I'd say that qualifies Lidstrom as not being a physical player. Which is not to say that he doesn't use body position or leverage defensively. Nor does it mean that he never throws a check. As a comparison. Matt Carle, who is not perceived as a physical player, registered 55 hits to Lidstrom's 41. Enough said.
I find it strange that posters will post a Youtube video of one shift out of an 82 game Season, and think that it defines a player. That's very odd.
Let's pretend that I never heard of Kimmo Timonen and my team signs him and someone is describing him to me. If that person tells me something like "Yeah, nice, we got a good shut-down defender!" I'm not thinking of a smallish puck mover who excels in transition and can QB a powerplay as well as playing solid in his own zone. I mean, if you're just talking about him being able to break up plays defensively with aplomb, I'm with you, but I think putting the "shutdown defenseman" moniker on Timonen isn't consistent with the way that term is generally used when referencing a certain type of player in the league.
- phantasm
Let's not pretend. I like to deal in reality, not fantasy. It's very consistent. And I consider Timonen, in his prime, a shut down defender.
Well, I don't doubt you wouldn't label the player in a manner consistent with the use of the term to most knowledgeable observers. You seem to have difficulty in doing so.
Apparently numerous other journalists, bloggers, coaches and players, agree with me in labeling Grossmann a shut-down defenseman.
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"Grossmann flourishing in role of shut-down defender" - NHL.com
"The Flyers picked up Grossmann prior to the NHL trade deadline in February, and he was set to become an unrestricted free agent on July 1. He's turned into a shut-down defender alongside Braydon Coburn in his brief time here, playing against such foes as Evgeni Malkin and Alex Ovechkin. " - BSH
"During his brief time with the Flyers, Grossmann has arguably been the team's top shutdown defenseman, in conjunction with partner Braydon Coburn." - Bill Meltzer
So, obviously your disagreement with my of labeling Grossmann as a shut down defenseman is a view not shared by numerous other credible hockey observers, including our own, Bill Meltzer.
- phantasm
My description of Grossmann as a defenseman would be a stay at home defensive defenseman. He averaged 18-19 minutes a game, in Dallas his last two Seasons there. Top shut down defenseman tend to play more.
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From what you posted I really don't think you watched enough of Suter to render a valid opinion on that. Can you describe in detail, the exact parts of his game that make him not as good as Timonen in his prime?
- phantasm
Your entitled to your opinion of how much you think I've watched Suter. And I really don't care how valid you think my opinion is on Suter.
Yes there is a difference I agree, but I'm not getting your point here... - phantasm
The old Youtube example huh? Pretty funny. Obviously I didn't say that Lidstrom never made a check in his career. Lidstrom played over 1600 minutes of regular Season Hockey this past Season. In which he registered 41 hits. I'd say that qualifies Lidstrom as not being a physical player. Which is not to say that he doesn't use body position or leverage defensively. Nor does it mean that he never throws a check. As a comparison. Matt Carle, who is not perceived as a physical player, registered 55 hits to Lidstrom's 41. Enough said.
I find it strange that posters will post a Youtube video of one shift out of an 82 game Season, and think that it defines a player. That's very odd.
Let's not pretend. I like to deal in reality, not fantasy. It's very consistent. And I consider Timonen, in his prime, a shut down defender.
My description of Grossmann as a defenseman would be a stay at home defensive defenseman. He averaged 18-19 minutes a game. Top shut down defenseman tend to play more
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Your entitled to your opinion of how much you think I've watched Suter. And I really don't care how valid you think my opinion is on Suter.
I would love to have Carle back if we can somehow snag Weber and have them pair together. I'm more focused on how we upgrade the D. I know many still have interest in Luke Schenn because he's the brother of Brayden Schenn but Luke is on my short list for now. It's simple for me. Use possible assets to get Weber first of for most. If Weber is a definite impossibility, I would draft a defender because this seems to be a deep draft especially for defenseman.
I would love to have Carle back if we can somehow snag Weber and have them pair together. I'm more focused on how we upgrade the D. I know many still have interest in Luke Schenn because he's the brother of Brayden Schenn but Luke is on my short list for now. It's simple for me. Use possible assets to get Weber first of for most. If Weber is a definite impossibility, I would draft a defender because this seems to be a deep draft especially for defenseman. - roenick97
Now that the Flyers have acquired Grossmann, I no longer have interest in Schenn.
FWIW, rumormongers(@Flyerguru and @HockeyyInsiderr) on twitter say that Jagr and the Flyers have a verbal agreement on a new one year deal. @Flyersguru says "word on street" is 1 year $3mm
Now that the Flyers have acquired Grossmann, I no longer have interest in Schenn. - MJL
I believe Schenn has better offensive skill then Grossmann. My concern this upcoming year is to somehow limit Kimmo's minutes throughout the regular season. Certainly I am not advocating doing a trade for the sake of doing a trade, but a top 6 of the following:
FWIW, rumormongers(@Flyerguru and @HockeyyInsiderr) on twitter say that Jagr and the Flyers have a verbal agreement on a new one year deal. @Flyersguru says "word on street" is 1 year $3mm - Jsaquella
I like Jagr's deal a little better then Leino's contract.
Yea, and I'd like to use that Cap space to acquire a true #1 if possible. - MJL
I feel both Pronger and Timonen if possible should be replaced. I understand it's a tall order and the Flyers have gone years with one slightly above average number 1 defensemen (Desjardins, Timonen) but if the Flyers can continue the trend of 2 top vet defensemen (Pronger and Timonen) that would be fantastic in my eyes. I think looking into Weber should be a priority.
I like Jagr's deal a little better then Leino's contract. - ravishingone
IF true. Both the twitter accounts that have said it have had some rumors come to pass, but both have also swung and missed like Ryan Howard trying to hit a lefty with a good curveball
I believe Schenn has better offensive skill then Grossmann. My concern this upcoming year is to somehow limit Kimmo's minutes throughout the regular season. Certainly I am not advocating doing a trade for the sake of doing a trade, but a top 6 of the following:
Not too bad, and I would not be interested in trading a young forward for Schenn straight up. I would hope Homer would get Schenn +. - ravishingone
I would say that Schenn has more offensive ability then Grossmann also. But what are you trading to get Schenn? To play on the 3rd pair? Do you see him as the future replacement for Timonen?
I feel both Pronger and Timonen if possible should be replaced. I understand it's a tall order and the Flyers have gone years with one slightly above average number 1 defensemen (Desjardins, Timonen) but if the Flyers can continue the trend of 2 top vet defensemen (Pronger and Timonen) that would be fantastic in my eyes. I think looking into Weber should be a priority. - roenick97
If Weber becomes available, the Flyers will be a player in it. It's not easy replacing those two.
If Weber becomes available, the Flyers will be a player in it. It's not easy replacing those two. - MJL
Pronger really only gave the Flyers one good year. The last two seasons they have played without him more than with him. Timonen has been more of a factor in this lineup and will be harder to replace imo. I love Pronger but we never got our worth with him other than the cup run year.
If Weber becomes available, the Flyers will be a player in it. It's not easy replacing those two. - MJL
My issue with Nashville and Weber is how long it takes to re-sign him there (If at all). I personally didn't think he would end up getting 8 million, especially when he asked for it and Nashville only wanted to give him 4. You would think this summer's decision would be much easier on the Preds organization.
My issue with Nashville and Weber is how long it takes to re-sign him there (If at all). I personally didn't think he would end up getting 8 million, especially when he asked for it and Nashville only wanted to give him 4. You would think this summer's decision would be much easier on the Preds organization. - roenick97
All the Preds have to do is make him a Q offer. What's he going to do, hold out? he may not sign long term there. Who knows what's going to happen.
