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LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 11:01 AM ET
Hey man it was reverse psychology and thanks to me saying that, the Rangers lost. See there is a method to my madness
- kasperrko



how do you look in a DP jersey?
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jun 7 @ 11:03 AM ET
Let's wait and see who is b-port coach before we give a sht that Brent is not there anymore.
- niteislander


Why replace him with anyone if he's doing a good job, I guess is my point. To fill a less important position? I get it, you're responding to multiple posts here that have varying degrees of hysteria in their tone. Trust me, I'm not ready to jump off a bridge over this or anything, and I'm not typing in all caps here with overuse of punctuation. But I do think there's something to be said for having a little consistency and sticking with something that's working during a rebuild. If the man is good at developing the prospects, maybe let him do it for more than a single season.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:07 AM ET
Dee Karl: The Coaching Conundrum
A little of this, a little of that...

- Dee Karl


wow a coach hired whos not from new england.......
Mike C
New York Islanders
Location: Centereach, , NY
Joined: 07.05.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:19 AM ET
I care more about the job he's leaving rather than the one he's moving into. We're going to have a lot of prospects in BPort now...for the first time in ages. Why not leave the guy who seems to be doing a good job with players like Donovan, Ullstrom, Cizikas, the goalies, etc? Doesn't seem worth it to move him just to fill, as you say, an assistant coach position...
- UIF


Agreed......Just have to weight to see how this all plays out! Wonder what viable coaches are out there to fill the other assistant vacancy, and, be the head coach in BPT. What ever the hirings, firings and who had imput and who knew is all speculative fodder. Let's hope mgmt. is working hard on the draft and 7/1 opportunities (if there are any)!
kcNYI
New York Islanders
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: 08.19.2010

Jun 7 @ 11:34 AM ET
Instead of everyone being so pessimistic I actually like the idea of bring Thompson up...

He got the best out of the team in BPT - no reason to think he couldn't do that with the NYI. Cappy is a player's coach, Thompson will add some fuel to the fire. He seems to be very demanding of his players and pushes them. I think Cappy and Thompson will make a great coaching duo.

I don't see the purpose is bashing this idea...we haven't even given Cappy and Thompson a chance to prove themselves and everyone is down on it.

Sometimes the people who write here are absolute hypocrites - you want change and when it happens you go wild on Garth. I think this move is for the better - Cappy will do better as a coach, Weight is manning a PP that performed well last year and Thompson comes in after a successful year and becomes the NYI's assistant coach.

Think about this too...the following 2011-12 BPT players will most likely be playing on the NYI on opening night - Cizikas, Ullstrom, Donovan/deHaan, and possibly Rhakshani on the 4th line. Thompson coached them all last year...it'll make them more comfortable in the NHL and he knows how to get ther best out of each of them from last year.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Jun 7 @ 11:34 AM ET
how do you look in a DP jersey?
- LetsGoIsles


I look like a big loser just like him
niteislander
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.13.2010

Jun 7 @ 11:42 AM ET
wow a coach hired whos not from new england.......
- kindlyrick


man am I sick of that accent.
The Iceman
New York Islanders
Location: Las Vegas , NV
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jun 7 @ 11:46 AM ET
Botta hates the Isles mgmt and will do anything and everything to make them look foolish. I refuse to get upset over an Assistant coaching change. Everyone on here hates Capuano anyway.. If it was his idea everyone would be just as negative on the guy. This is a non event.... period.
- niteislander

He doesn't have to do anything. Emperor wang and his puppet snow do a good enough job making themselves and the team as whole look foolish.
jimmc7722
New York Islanders
Location: TAVARES IS AN ASS!!!!, ON
Joined: 02.06.2008

Jun 7 @ 11:50 AM ET
Instead of everyone being so pessimistic I actually like the idea of bring Thompson up...

He got the best out of the team in BPT - no reason to think he couldn't do that with the NYI. Cappy is a player's coach, Thompson will add some fuel to the fire. He seems to be very demanding of his players and pushes them. I think Cappy and Thompson will make a great coaching duo.

I don't see the purpose is bashing this idea...we haven't even given Cappy and Thompson a chance to prove themselves and everyone is down on it.

Sometimes the people who write here are absolute hypocrites - you want change and when it happens you go wild on Garth. I think this move is for the better - Cappy will do better as a coach, Weight is manning a PP that performed well last year and Thompson comes in after a successful year and becomes the NYI's assistant coach.

Think about this too...the following 2011-12 BPT players will most likely be playing on the NYI on opening night - Cizikas, Ullstrom, Donovan/deHaan, and possibly Rhakshani on the 4th line. Thompson coached them all last year...it'll make them more comfortable in the NHL and he knows how to get ther best out of each of them from last year.

- kcNYI



Kool Aid Drinker....lol!!!

You're not allowed to be optimistic on this site... Garth and Wang messed up.

DP will never retire to injury!!!

Isles will move to Quebec!!!

Isles will draft somebody off the board @ #4!!!

That's all I got for now... I'm sure the vultures will fill in the rest for me...

I've got to go and do some work right now... I shall return!!!

P.S... Kasper... the Penguins suck, and Sidney is a crybaby...



LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 11:50 AM ET
I look like a big loser just like him
- kasperrko



picture and receipt.....?
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 11:53 AM ET
Instead of everyone being so pessimistic I actually like the idea of bring Thompson up...

He got the best out of the team in BPT - no reason to think he couldn't do that with the NYI. Cappy is a player's coach, Thompson will add some fuel to the fire. He seems to be very demanding of his players and pushes them. I think Cappy and Thompson will make a great coaching duo.

I don't see the purpose is bashing this idea...we haven't even given Cappy and Thompson a chance to prove themselves and everyone is down on it.

Sometimes the people who write here are absolute hypocrites - you want change and when it happens you go wild on Garth. I think this move is for the better - Cappy will do better as a coach, Weight is manning a PP that performed well last year and Thompson comes in after a successful year and becomes the NYI's assistant coach.

Think about this too...the following 2011-12 BPT players will most likely be playing on the NYI on opening night - Cizikas, Ullstrom, Donovan/deHaan, and possibly Rhakshani on the 4th line. Thompson coached them all last year...it'll make them more comfortable in the NHL and he knows how to get ther best out of each of them from last year.

- kcNYI


i dont necessarily agree or disagree with your points regarding thompson because i dont know much about the coach, i dont know his style, and i dont even know if its TRUE. however it really seems like there are people here who post just for the sake of female doging...and theyll find legit anythign to complain about.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Jun 7 @ 12:11 PM ET
Instead of everyone being so pessimistic I actually like the idea of bring Thompson up...

He got the best out of the team in BPT - no reason to think he couldn't do that with the NYI. Cappy is a player's coach, Thompson will add some fuel to the fire. He seems to be very demanding of his players and pushes them. I think Cappy and Thompson will make a great coaching duo.

I don't see the purpose is bashing this idea...we haven't even given Cappy and Thompson a chance to prove themselves and everyone is down on it.

Sometimes the people who write here are absolute hypocrites - you want change and when it happens you go wild on Garth.
I think this move is for the better - Cappy will do better as a coach, Weight is manning a PP that performed well last year and Thompson comes in after a successful year and becomes the NYI's assistant coach.

Think about this too...the following 2011-12 BPT players will most likely be playing on the NYI on opening night - Cizikas, Ullstrom, Donovan/deHaan, and possibly Rhakshani on the 4th line. Thompson coached them all last year...it'll make them more comfortable in the NHL and he knows how to get ther best out of each of them from last year.

- kcNYI


I think we're just giving our initial reactions on the topic of the blog... Montreal hired Therrien as a coach the other day...I'm sure there are people on their blogs debating about whether they agree or disagree with that decision before he's coached a single game since the hire too.

Ultimately, you're right, Cappy and Thompson may do some good things together on the coaching staff. You make some good points about their styles.

My initial reaction is I think BPort was the only port in the storm last season. I think our prospects were well served, and with even more coming in next year, a shakeup of the one thing that was working seems risky to me. Maybe they do bring in someone even better for that team. I'm sure I'll have a half-baked opinion about that too when it happens!
NYI
Joined: 07.15.2006

Jun 7 @ 12:16 PM ET
You mean like tell the truth?
- Vukota


What truth would they be regarding Botta? He resigned, then wanted to stay so bad he took Wang's money to blog, then turned down their offer for a second year?

That's what he claimed.

Then AOL went under so his next sponsor dumped him so he got really vindictive and finally the Isles did the right thing and pulled his credential.

He's very good at making sourced based claims airing Islander laundry when he's not asking the Ranger players who are paid by Dolan's Knicks what their favorite color is?

This was the man in charge of PR when all the city media stopped covering this team on his watch and he was constantly fighting with Newsday, who Botta claimed Islander coverage would improve under Dolan before the pay-wall came up with the sports censorship which does not allow critical articles of Dolan's teams.

But don't take my word for it let the employees tell you themselves.
http://www.longislandpres...-control-insiders-charge/

http://observer.com/2010/...sports-page-its-all-good/

Billy Jaffe was the Isles decision because Botta claims Msg who fired Marv Albert who was too critical of Dolan's team, took Micheletti from us, hides our games on Msg+10 says so?

How about this Dolan had Goring under contract, did not want to pay him and Jaffe and asked the Isles to take the hit and keep quiet unless they want all their games on Msg+10.

Cheap Dolan even cut the summer games to four, and Msg picked the Pens game last summer which got the Isles in trouble with the league, he did not even allow a Devils playoff post-game or show any special programming on two channels with no live hockey games?

Botta was the clown who claimed Msg refused to give the Isles the Metro Ice challenge money, he said the referendum would pass.

He's a vindictive angry former employee who did decide to create his own news about this team. He pulled this any other NHL their beat reporters would eat him alive. Dolan's wants those hundreds of millions back they own the Isles until 2030 for the cable rights and maybe wants the Coliseum himself because he buys entertainment venues.

Finally when Botta decided to make his stupid daily plus minus home game only articles he decided to break business news or invent his own news with the words sources, in the know, or I've been told and Snow correctly decided to correctly yank his place at the grown ups table.

So he then claimed the Isles staged efforts to sign players despite the agents saying in detail they were genuine? Despite Christian Ehrhoff calling the Isles offer great at his press conference. (not front-loaded)

Funny how Botta's so transparent (via sources) about the Isles business but never his own about how AOL let him go, how he's now done at the Times.
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:21 PM ET
Kool Aid Drinker....lol!!!

You're not allowed to be optimistic on this site... Garth and Wang messed up.

DP will never retire to injury!!!

Isles will move to Quebec!!!

Isles will draft somebody off the board @ #4!!!

That's all I got for now... I'm sure the vultures will fill in the rest for me...

I've got to go and do some work right now... I shall return!!!

P.S... Kasper... the Penguins suck, and Sidney is a crybaby...

- jimmc7722


Wow you pretty much nailed everything with your points here. I am impress. Only thing is the Penguins really dont suck that is the only thing you got wrong. If the Islanders could take a page out of there playbook the places we would be right now are endless
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:22 PM ET
picture and receipt.....?
- LetsGoIsles


Man give me a chance here. Let this all soak in first
NYI
Joined: 07.15.2006

Jun 7 @ 12:24 PM ET
Let me ask you a question: Do you think Ken Holland in Detroit tells Mike Babcock who his assistant coaches will be, or do you think that Babcock has some significant input on who assists him behind the Wings' bench? Or how about Sather with Tortorella or any other successful GM coach tandem? Do you think that Tortorella has no input on who his assistants are?

The problem is not that Thompson is an assistant coach. The problem is how he has the job. It goes to how this team runs its show. Why wouldn't Snow, who has no experience coaching himself, feel that he should be the person to hire Cappy's assistants? If Snow believes in Cappy, shouldn't he trust him to hire his own assistants or at least let Cappy have significant input on who his assistants might be?

- Jethro09


When the New York Islanders claim this has happened, it's worth discussion.

Here's some food for thought in the meantime.

Snow's doing exactly what Lou Lamoriello does, as his many coaches inherited Larry Robinson who was their former Stanley Cup head coach. How many times has Lamorello come down and coached himself or pulled the plug on coaches in first place only to keep the same assistants with former Islanders assistant Jacuqes Lapierrere who was an assistant for many years regardless who was behind their bench?

The Isles used to let the head coach pick the assistants, maybe they decided to try it the Devils way.

But it's not like anyone notices Peter DeBoer picked none of his assistants after the Devils missed the playoffs last season.

http://devils.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=42044
kasperrko
New York Islanders
Location: Spring Hill, FL
Joined: 03.09.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
He doesn't have to do anything. Emperor wang and his puppet snow do a good enough job making themselves and the team as whole look foolish.
- The Iceman


You are absolutely right. If anyone here actually followed the Islanders closely they would see the pattern that Wang and Snow are taken. First and foremost this is a rebuild right? Well it is pretty funny that we are still in the bottom 5 every year so right there should put up a warning sign that the GM needs to go, but who else can Wang control? Not those who have NHL skill and knowledge so we are left with Snow. As for the team itself not showing any heart in almost half there games in the first period. A normal owner and or GM will call out the coach and demand results. Not us we sit back and relax and feel everything is all right. The whole thing is anywhere that Wang can save money he will even if he puts a lame team on the ice. Veteranship is not happening this year no free agents are happening this year, nothing will happen. IT has been this way for years, so why change it now? just a few more years left in Nassau and then we will know our fate and it will be then and only then that we see this team improve with better free agents and veterans. If no one can see that, then they are either drinking the Kool Aid way to much or they are blind as a bat
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 7 @ 12:33 PM ET
this was my thought. he's done a good job with the kids..it makes no sense to move him up...never a dull moment
- NYI78

I don't care about any of what happened, except this point. He clearly did a solid job in his first year as head coach with a roster full of young guys with little or no pro experience. Would have liked to see what he did going forward as we funneled more important prospects into that system.

I would have rather seen them hire the recently-fired Randy Cunneyworth.
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 12:40 PM ET
You are absolutely right. If anyone here actually followed the Islanders closely they would see the pattern that Wang and Snow are taken. First and foremost this is a rebuild right? Well it is pretty funny that we are still in the bottom 5 every year so right there should put up a warning sign that the GM needs to go, but who else can Wang control? Not those who have NHL skill and knowledge so we are left with Snow. As for the team itself not showing any heart in almost half there games in the first period. A normal owner and or GM will call out the coach and demand results. Not us we sit back and relax and feel everything is all right. The whole thing is anywhere that Wang can save money he will even if he puts a lame team on the ice. Veteranship is not happening this year no free agents are happening this year, nothing will happen. IT has been this way for years, so why change it now? just a few more years left in Nassau and then we will know our fate and it will be then and only then that we see this team improve with better free agents and veterans. If no one can see that, then they are either drinking the Kool Aid way to much or they are blind as a bat
- kasperrko




oh!!!! i actually have to follow the team closely!!! my strategy of watching from a distance and not following up on the team on a daily occurrence clearly hasnt been working too well...maybe ill try this "watching closely" bit
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 12:41 PM ET
I don't care about any of what happened, except this point. He clearly did a solid job in his first year as head coach with a roster full of young guys with little or no pro experience. Would have liked to see what he did going forward as we funneled more important prospects into that system.

I would have rather seen them hire the recently-fired Randy Cunneyworth.

- eichiefs9



wouldnt that be a GREAT reason for the islanders to take him on board?

(btw, has he officially become an assistant coach yet?)
Fan101
New York Islanders
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:42 PM ET
OK so the team is not going to pull off any blockbuster trades for NHL vets or sign big name FA's. Snow is building from within and anticipates promoting some of the BRI players to the Island and Thompson has coached and knows them. True Cappy is a "yes" guy but chances are he would not be coaching any other NHL team except the Isles, so it all fits. I also think Cappy was a bit emotionally burned out at the end of the season so Thompson may have more emotional drive than Cappy or his previous assistants.

Although Thompson did not have a great playoff run with BRI, they did put together a nice streak during the season, so if they can recreate that here on the Island it will build interest and fan turnout.

Weight is already well off financially as a retired NHL star and a stint as the BRI coach would work nicely for him since he still loves hockey more than he needs the money so he would work for a fair price.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Jun 7 @ 12:45 PM ET
You are absolutely right. If anyone here actually followed the Islanders closely they would see the pattern that Wang and Snow are taken. First and foremost this is a rebuild right? Well it is pretty funny that we are still in the bottom 5 every year so right there should put up a warning sign that the GM needs to go, but who else can Wang control? Not those who have NHL skill and knowledge so we are left with Snow. As for the team itself not showing any heart in almost half there games in the first period. A normal owner and or GM will call out the coach and demand results. Not us we sit back and relax and feel everything is all right. The whole thing is anywhere that Wang can save money he will even if he puts a lame team on the ice. Veteranship is not happening this year no free agents are happening this year, nothing will happen. IT has been this way for years, so why change it now? just a few more years left in Nassau and then we will know our fate and it will be then and only then that we see this team improve with better free agents and veterans. If no one can see that, then they are either drinking the Kool Aid way to much or they are blind as a bat
- kasperrko


Look how bad the Oilers were last year, and the talent they have received. Patience is the hardest part of being a fan. Keeping the core kids together and adding the ones that mature over the next 2 or 3 years will be the key. If Snow can keep the core together, this team will be very good.
XxNYIxX
New York Islanders
Location: Clayton, NC
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:57 PM ET
Let me ask you a question: Do you think Ken Holland in Detroit tells Mike Babcock who his assistant coaches will be, or do you think that Babcock has some significant input on who assists him behind the Wings' bench? Or how about Sather with Tortorella or any other successful GM coach tandem? Do you think that Tortorella has no input on who his assistants are?

The problem is not that Thompson is an assistant coach. The problem is how he has the job. It goes to how this team runs its show. Why wouldn't Snow, who has no experience coaching himself, feel that he should be the person to hire Cappy's assistants? If Snow believes in Cappy, shouldn't he trust him to hire his own assistants or at least let Cappy have significant input on who his assistants might be?

- Jethro09



Just to throw a wrench into your thinking.. Uncle Lou hires the assistants in NJ

XxNYIxX
LetsGoIsles
New York Islanders
Location: I'll wait till Halak signs elsewhere and then you can go eat a d!ck- JMO16
Joined: 01.26.2011

Jun 7 @ 12:57 PM ET
Look how bad the Oilers were last year, and the talent they have received. Patience is the hardest part of being a fan. Keeping the core kids together and adding the ones that mature over the next 2 or 3 years will be the key. If Snow can keep the core together, this team will be very good.
- bixll


blasphemy!!!!

(que the nay-sayers)
mighty13duck
New York Islanders
Location: New Building. New Owner. New coach Nassau County, NY
Joined: 01.26.2009

Jun 7 @ 1:10 PM ET
Whats with all the DP hate?
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