So knowing this, we should be trading up in the draft. There is no quick fix for the first line centre position. At least there is some options for another goalie, eventhough, I think that we don't really need to go in that direction. I think another opportunity needs to be given to our two young goalies. Loungo is a waste!
- PrinceLH

I understand what your saying, though this draft is weak.

In my point of view, grigorenko and forsberg dont even look that appealing to me. Only Gal and Yakopov.

Agreed, there is no quick fix, Getzlaf is an excellent player but makes no sense coming here at the age of 28. The assets we would trade for him would be a waste since we should keep our future.

Second Stasny could be the quick fix centerman to acquire.

Third, if Jordan Staal is really available, he might be the ONLY decent centerman to acquire since he is only 24 and is still young.

EDIT: at this point in time, i agree luongo is not the right choice, but a desperate burke may trade for him when luongo is at such a cheap price to acquire.

2 more years at 6.6m, don't see how that's bad, especially since we know he can produce...
- Conquest

at 6.6 million, 53 pts does not cut it. And he has been on the decline. To us 6.6 is nothing and to colorado 6.6 is not bad, but it was just an idea.

Burke likes big tough guys but built a wimpy ass team.

Getzlaf and Stastny aren't even available it's hilarious how often they are brought up.
- robin_steele264

agreed, i woder this alot myself, must be from trade dedline threads/rumors that drove fans nuts.

at 6.6 million, 53 pts does not cut it. And he has been on the decline. To us 6.6 is nothing and to colorado 6.6 is not bad, but it was just an idea.
- Mapleleafs_91

Ok wait, do you know the guys he's playing with? They're not named Kessel and Lupul, so the points thing is moot since he's getting 53 with less-skilled wingers. He's also 26, so the decline thing is moot as well, since he's approaching prime-time and is relatively young. He's also reached 79 points just two years ago and has broken 70 points+ 3 times. Grabo hasn't done that and is getting paid just a bit less...

I understand what your saying, though this draft is weak.

In my point of view, grigorenko and forsberg dont even look that appealing to me. Only Gal and Yakopov.

Agreed, there is no quick fix, Getzlaf is an excellent player but makes no sense coming here at the age of 28. The assets we would trade for him would be a waste since we should keep our future.

Second Stasny could be the quick fix centerman to acquire.

Third, if Jordan Staal is really available, he might be the ONLY decent centerman to acquire since he is only 24 and is still young.

EDIT: at this point in time, i agree luongo is not the right choice, but a desperate burke may trade for him when luongo is at such a cheap price to acquire.
- Mapleleafs_91

I don't see it as a weak draft, but see it as subpar for 1st line material. There is only a couple of forwards and a couple of defencemen, that you might call elite talent. After that, there are plenty of 3-4 defencemen and 2nd line forwards. It may be a good year to take a stab at a goaltender. There are lots of players at this level, in this years draft and it doesn't fall off, until midway through the second round. There really is no superstar type players in this draft. Good but not great.

Ok wait, do you know the guys he's playing with? They're not named Kessel and Lupul, so the points thing is moot since he's getting 53 with less-skilled wingers. He's also 26, so the decline thing is moot as well, since he's approaching prime-time and is relatively young. He's also reached 79 points just two years ago and has broken 70 points+ 3 times. Grabo hasn't done that and is getting paid just a bit less...
- Conquest

So they should be traded for one another.

Ok wait, do you know the guys he's playing with? They're not named Kessel and Lupul, so the points thing is moot since he's getting 53 with less-skilled wingers. He's also 26, so the decline thing is moot as well, since he's approaching prime-time and is relatively young. He's also reached 79 points just two years ago and has broken 70 points+ 3 times. Grabo hasn't done that and is getting paid just a bit less...
- Conquest

i know thats why i said it was just an idea haha

So they should be traded for one another.
- PrinceLH

Why would Colorado do that, they want to get weaker at the centre position?

i know thats why i said it was just an idea haha
- Mapleleafs_91

I know, sorry if I sounded like I was going all crazy. I'd personally like to try him between kessel and lupul and see how it goes

Why would Colorado do that, they want to get weaker at the centre position?
- Conquest

1.1 less hit on the cap and Grabovsi is a true 2nd line centre that plays second line minutes. Duchene then becomes the undisputed number 1 centre on the team. Grabo doesn't work with Kessel and Lupul, where Stastny would, on Leafs first line.

Why would Colorado do that, they want to get weaker at the centre position?
- Conquest

Honestly can we just trade the whole team away at this point, i dont really care. BLOW UP THE TEAM.

Lets trade kessel, lupul, macartur, grabo, kuliemen, phaneuf, liles, franson, gunner, bozak for alot of 1st rounders and prospects and just dominate the 2012 and 2013 draft lottery. Between kessel, lupul, and phaneuf, could get like 5 first rounders and couple prospects. Lets do it up boys

Honestly can we just trade the whole team away at this point, i dont really care. BLOW UP THE TEAM.

Lets trade kessel, lupul, macartur, grabo, kuliemen, phaneuf, liles, franson, gunner, bozak for alot of 1st rounders and prospects and just dominate the 2012 and 2013 draft lottery. Between kessel, lupul, and phaneuf, could get like 5 first rounders and couple prospects. Lets do it up boys
- Mapleleafs_91

Now that's a constructive plan......I like it......so does UG!!!

1.1 less hit on the cap and Grabovsi is a true 2nd line centre that plays second line minutes. Duchene then becomes the undisputed number 1 centre on the team. Grabo doesn't work with Kessel and Lupul, where Stastny would, on Leafs first line.
- PrinceLH

So that helps the Leafs... but doesn't really help COL except having a little bit cheaper of a center. Grabo is also older by 2 years, so we'd have to add. But i definitely would do that trade of course, maybe Grabo and a lesser prospect/pick

Honestly can we just trade the whole team away at this point, i dont really care. BLOW UP THE TEAM.

Lets trade kessel, lupul, macartur, grabo, kuliemen, phaneuf, liles, franson, gunner, bozak for alot of 1st rounders and prospects and just dominate the 2012 and 2013 draft lottery. Between kessel, lupul, and phaneuf, could get like 5 first rounders and couple prospects. Lets do it up boys
- Mapleleafs_91

we wouldn't have a team left, but honestly UG and i were saying that the Leafs should just trade away all their players and sign enforcers and 4th liners so we can tank. Imagine games where you see a top line of orr, brown and parros, followed by rosehill, prust and komarov

Now that's a constructive plan......I like it......so does UG!!!
- PrinceLH

Think about it we trade the whole team away:

1) Kessel could get us like 3 first rounders +
2) Lupul can get us a first rounder +prospects
3)Phaneuf can get us a first rounder+prospects
4) Liles can get us prospects, maybe a late first
5) Grabo can get us prospects and prob a mid first
6) Reimer can get us a first apparently, prob late first
7) macarthur gunnerson kulimen and franson can be packaged for first and prospects

Thats probably about 10 first rounders right there.

we wouldn't have a team left, but honestly UG and i were saying that the Leafs should just trade away all their players and sign enforcers and 4th liners so we can tank. Imagine games where you see a top line of orr, brown and parros, followed by rosehill, prust and komarov
- Conquest

Forwards:

Kadri Mckegg Ross

Damigo Galchenyuk(drafted this season) Frattin

Ashton Colborne Biggs

Brown Stecks Crabbman


Defense:

Blacker Schenn

Gardiner Schultz(signed this season)

Percy Holzer

Goalies:

Scrivens
Owuya

Then we have 10 first rounders distributed for the 2012-2013 summer drafts, on top of that our first rounder for 2012 and 2013. So thats 12 first rounders

Forwards:

Kadri Mckegg Ross

Damigo Galchenyuk(drafted this season) Frattin

Ashton Colborne Biggs

Brown Stecks Crabbman


Defense:

Blacker Schenn

Gardiner Schultz(signed this season)

Percy Holzer

Goalies:

Scrivens
Owuya
- Mapleleafs_91

Why subject young guys to a losing atmosphere? I'd rather have tough guys play and fight every every shift

Why subject young guys to a losing atmosphere? I'd rather have tough guys play and fight every every shift

- Conquest

Gives them experience

Gives them experience
- Mapleleafs_91

EDIT: plus they will be playing with each other eventually in the future, might as well start early like edmonton did and look how good eberle nuge and hall turned out to be

There are no guarantees this draft or any draft below the #2 pick.

Faksa is imo the more reliable, intellegent and the most healthy C in this draft that every team will need at one point in their franchise. Give him 3 years to fully develop, trade for Thorton and have him feed Kessel and Lupul all season long.

Thorton at 33 is a vetran, not old. He is in amazing physical condition and would bring the drive to win a cup that this team does not have. What's the cost is the big question. Kadri, Bozak, Schenn?

Adding Luongo who will be just as driven to play lights out as Thorton and prove his critics wrong would give them 2-3 years to fully develop Scrivens.

Yes, the average age will increase but the Leafs are one of the youngest teams in the league, they don't need more youth, they need experience.

agreed

There are no guarantees this draft or any draft below the #2 pick.

Faksa is imo the more reliable, intellegent and the most healthy C in this draft that every team will need at one point in their franchise. Give him 3 years to fully develop, trade for Thorton and have him feed Kessel and Lupul all season long.

Thorton at 33 is a vetran, not old. He is in amazing physical condition and would bring the drive to win a cup that this team does not have. What's the cost is the big question. Kadri, Bozak, Schenn?

Adding Luongo who will be just as driven to play lights out as Thorton and prove his critics wrong would give them 2-3 years to fully develop Scrivens.

Yes, the average age will increase but the Leafs are one of the youngest teams in the league, they don't need more youth, they need experience.
- cracka

There are no guarantees this draft or any draft below the #2 pick.

Faksa is imo the more reliable, intellegent and the most healthy C in this draft that every team will need at one point in their franchise. Give him 3 years to fully develop, trade for Thorton and have him feed Kessel and Lupul all season long.

Thorton at 33 is a vetran, not old. He is in amazing physical condition and would bring the drive to win a cup that this team does not have. What's the cost is the big question. Kadri, Bozak, Schenn?

Adding Luongo who will be just as driven to play lights out as Thorton and prove his critics wrong would give them 2-3 years to fully develop Scrivens.

Yes, the average age will increase but the Leafs are one of the youngest teams in the league, they don't need more youth, they need experience.
- cracka

As much as id love to see thorton and kessel kicking bostons ass with bostons former players, he is sadly to old to keep around for us.

EDIT: plus they will be playing with each other eventually in the future, might as well start early like edmonton did and look how good eberle nuge and hall turned out to be
- Mapleleafs_91

They are high first rounders though lol, the same can't be said for the leaf's prospects

They are high first rounders though lol, the same can't be said for the leaf's prospects
- Conquest

Shhhh if you don't say it, it cant possible be true

So knowing this, we should be trading up in the draft. There is no quick fix for the first line centre position. At least there is some options for another goalie, eventhough, I think that we don't really need to go in that direction. I think another opportunity needs to be given to our two young goalies. Loungo is a waste!
- PrinceLH

Of course we should move up, but that's much easier said than done. Our only possible trading partner is Edmonton. Because Montreal won't trade with us and there's no way Columbus is moving down. Edmonton winning that draft lottery was very bad for us. If they were picking 2nd and knew they had no shot at Yakupov, it would have been much easier to deal with them. Either they'd have taken Murray at #2 or we could have struck a deal with them to guarantee us Galchenyuk and they'd still get a great defenseman at #5. But....they're picking first and it'll take nothing short of the hand of God himself to get that pick away from them.