What if the Leafs trade Schenn + Franson + later round pick for this years first rounder and selects at 1st and 5th?


- noename09

What if the Leafs just keep Schenn, Franson and 5th overall and just tank properly?

New Blog Up.
- LeafMan

Ok, but is it a "Good New Blog"??

So.....Justin Schultz......are we getting him?
- AnnGee44

If we don't trade Gardiner, yes ..Hi AnnGee!

Hey guys,

I've been reading these boards for awhile and finally decided to make an account so I can contribute some to these discussions.

Don't worry I'm completely aware to the fact of what a clown this U_G guy is.
- thatwimpydeer

LOL. 1st post.....and UG is the main topic. Unreal.

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- JIMI-JAMES

It was so different too. So many of the actors are still working. The guys who played Chris Keller, Beecher, Adibisi, Schillinger, and more all still work. And the celeb cameos and roles were great. I loved Evan Seinfeld on that show. Even Rick Fox when he was on there was great. Just great from start to finish.

It was so different too. So many of the actors are still working. The guys who played Chris Keller, Beecher, Adibisi, Schillinger, and more all still work. And the celeb cameos and roles were great. I loved Evan Seinfeld on that show. Even Rick Fox when he was on there was great. Just great from start to finish.
- GuyLaDouche

lots of Law and Order cast

What if the Leafs just keep Schenn, Franson and 5th overall and just tank properly?
- Unholy_Goalie

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- senstroll

So.....Justin Schultz......are we getting him?
- AnnGee44

Probably not.

Rumors heard through the grapevine are often skewed. Possible that Burke goes after another first, but not in the top 5?

Vasilevski
Dansk
or
Subban

Burke may be weighing in on which teams are looking to pick up goalies.
- A_Tree

Yes I think that is very possible, although I don't think he'd take a goalie there. I think he may take a goalie with his 2nd if he doesn't trade it away....or maybe another 2nd he picks up. Who knows? Historically speaking, it's not uncommon to pick up a solid tender in the later rounds, although they do take longer to develop.

- GoneFullRetard

Consider this stolen.

Instead of thinking Burke acquires two Top-5 picks, which I don't think is a possibility. Is it possible though that he gets two picks within the Top-10 somehow.

Maybe trade with ANA for their first and Schultz's rights for some guys, I'll let you fill in the rest.
- thatwimpydeer

I can see him picking up a mid-to-late 1st rounder from a team that has two first round picks....Washington, TB, Buffalo....he may even use that to make a bigger deal. Burke is savvy like that.

What if the Leafs just keep Schenn, Franson and 5th overall and just tank properly?
- Unholy_Goalie

I respet a lot of your opinions, but your purposely tank idea is just nonsense... You will not find a group of players that try to lose, and you will not find a coach that agrees to go along with that idea.

Most self respecting GMs wont tank on purpose (most). I appreciate te fact that a guy like Burke is always trying to win. I'd hate to go about it the Tambellini way.

However, what I do think we need is to put as much $ into scouting as possible. there are huge finds that you can make with any 1st round pick to fill the gaps we currently have. Yes there is a better chance of filling those spots with higher picks, but keep in mind the following players have been picked late because of good scouting:

Getzlaf - 19th
Giroux - 22nd
Bergeron - 45th
Krejci - 63rd
Skinner - 7th
B. Richards - 64th
M. Richards -24th
J. Carter - 11th
Kopital - 11th
Koivu - 6th
etc....

Point is that we don't need to finish in the bottom 3 to fill that need. Most leaf fans would rather a GM that tries to win every night. As long as he is developing out prospects properly by not rushing them (which he has been doing the past 2 years), it is fine by me.

I respet a lot of your opinions, but your purposely tank idea is just nonsense... You will not find a group of players that try to lose, and you will not find a coach that agrees to go along with that idea.

Most self respecting GMs wont tank on purpose (most). I appreciate te fact that a guy like Burke is always trying to win. I'd hate to go about it the Tambellini way.

However, what I do think we need is to put as much $ into scouting as possible. there are huge finds that you can make with any 1st round pick to fill the gaps we currently have. Yes there is a better chance of filling those spots with higher picks, but keep in mind the following players have been picked late because of good scouting:

Getzlaf - 19th
Giroux - 22nd
Bergeron - 45th
Krejci - 63rd
Skinner - 7th
B. Richards - 64th
M. Richards -24th
J. Carter - 11th
Kopital - 11th
Koivu - 6th
etc....

Point is that we don't need to finish in the bottom 3 to fill that need. Most leaf fans would rather a GM that tries to win every night. As long as he is developing out prospects properly by not rushing them (which he has been doing the past 2 years), it is fine by me.
- mfreedman

Exactly, which is why nobody can take UG seriously....he keeps going back to that same thing over and over and over while shooting down everyone else and it's ridiculous. Just stop with the tank on purpose crap because it's not going to happen. Plain and simple.

I respet a lot of your opinions, but your purposely tank idea is just nonsense... You will not find a group of players that try to lose, and you will not find a coach that agrees to go along with that idea.
- mfreedman

Who needs to "lose on purpose"? Just put Reimer and Scrivens in net. The rest will take care of itself.

Most self respecting GMs wont tank on purpose (most). I appreciate te fact that a guy like Burke is always trying to win. I'd hate to go about it the Tambellini way.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Burke "tried" to do well and still ended up in 29th. They can easily tank by simply sucking.

However, what I do think we need is to put as much $ into scouting as possible. there are huge finds that you can make with any 1st round pick to fill the gaps we currently have. Yes there is a better chance of filling those spots with higher picks, but keep in mind the following players have been picked late because of good scouting:

Getzlaf - 19th
Giroux - 22nd
Bergeron - 45th
Krejci - 63rd
Skinner - 7th
B. Richards - 64th
M. Richards -24th
J. Carter - 11th
Kopital - 11th
Koivu - 6th
etc....

Have the Leafs EVER been able to find that kind of talent? Think about it. Has Burke? Fact is, this team sucks at finding those types of players in hard to draft areas. This team needs to tank to compensate for the fact that they have sucked at finding talent in other areas. By the way, a lot of those players were from the 2003 draft which is widely considered the deepest draft in history. Those don't happen often.

Point is that we don't need to finish in the bottom 3 to fill that need. Most leaf fans would rather a GM that tries to win every night. As long as he is developing out prospects properly by not rushing them (which he has been doing the past 2 years), it is fine by me.

Yes they do. "Trying really hard" and still failing is still failing. The result is what matters and that means tanking and drafting high.

Exactly, which is why nobody can take UG seriously....he keeps going back to that same thing over and over and over while shooting down everyone else and it's ridiculous. Just stop with the tank on purpose crap because it's not going to happen. Plain and simple.
- Phenom

Oh okay, so we won't tank, we'll be a 9th placed team, get a crappy draft pick and just get stuck in the muddy waters of mediocrity for the next decade. Great plan.

Who needs to "lose on purpose"? Just put Reimer and Scrivens in net. The rest will take care of itself.
- Unholy_Goalie

Agree to put them in net, I want to see what they can do... No argument from me.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. Burke "tried" to do well and still ended up in 29th. They can easily tank by simply sucking.

Yes, they can tank, but my point is that it shouldnt be the GMs goal like you say it should be.

Have the Leafs EVER been able to find that kind of talent? Think about it. Has Burke? Fact is, this team sucks at finding those types of players in hard to draft areas. This team needs to tank to compensate for the fact that they have sucked at finding talent in other areas. By the way, a lot of those players were from the 2003 draft which is widely considered the deepest draft in history. Those don't happen often.

Which is why I said to put more money into scouting. If our scouting isnt doing the job, clearly it needs a change. There are billions of people in this world. If our scouts are below average, find some that are above average.

Yes they do. "Trying really hard" and still failing is still failing. The result is what matters and that means tanking and drafting high.

Not sure what to say to this.... My whole point is that good drafting, good signings, and proper development can win a cup.

Boston did. La is about to do it. The only team to win the cup recently with multiple top 3 picks is PIT. Now look at them, cash strapped by 3 of their players, 1st, 1st, and 2nd round exits. Before you jump on this, I am not saying I wouldnt trade the leafs roster for PIT's roster, but I mean that there is no sure fire way to win the Cup.

I find his disrespect and lack of care for stupid peoples opinions to be A) entertaining and B) appropriate
- Unholy_Forward

I agree.

- Unholy_Goalie

Thats crazy but also can be a bit worrisome IMO. Usually those kids dominate because they have such a huge physical advantage over kids their age. Need to see what they play like against men.
- markmark

some cases you right - other cases - particular the case in USA Hockey, being larger is a hinderance, because the often very poor officiating calls every body contact in favor of smaller kids ... i.e. large kid cannot hit smaller kids - even cleanly ... and the net result is larger kids are coached and officiated into not being able to take advantage of their physical advantage. Its been my experience that this is almost universally true until the kids get through Bantam. Net effect, lots of Kessel type players, who then can't sustain it as the larger kids, who perhaps develop physically from a coordination perspective a bit more slowly - then catch up. But to that point, they are discouraged to use their physical advantage. I don't believe this to so much of the case in Canada.

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- noename09

OMG is it ever, i miss them terribly.