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RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 6 @ 1:59 PM ET
If pittsburgh traded for an overpaid backup to keep him out of Philly, I find them doing that pretty stupid imo. Really? They are worried about Vokoun in Philly?
- JoeRussomanno


Pittsburgh needed a better back-up for Flower, and Flyers need someone they can rely on if Bryz falters again. It was smart for Pitt to quickly trade for him and sign him, as it hurt the Flyers and other teams that need someone like Vokoun. Though the Flyers needs are not as high as some others.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 1:59 PM ET
i think they're more worried about flower.
- flyerscup2011

Yea, I mean they needed to get a backup and if Flower wilts again then they have a decent backup. I just don't see how a team should be worried about another's backup goalie.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:00 PM ET
Rather let Jagr walk. Use that money elsewhere.
- stveshdy


If they can move JVR for a defenseman than it wouldn't be a terrible idea to bring Jagr back for a year. Put him on either the 1st or 2nd line. If they don't want to move JVR than I would let Jagr walk.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:00 PM ET
i'd pass, but apparently the team lobbied for him to be re-signed
- flyerscup2011


I understand why his teammates would want him back. Flyers need to look at this differently. They need to upgrade defense. Not spend over $3M on a 41 year old when they have younger players ready to take on more minutes.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jun 6 @ 2:01 PM ET

- aightwebang17



man incredible lift....puck entered the net ankle high then hit the top corner. just wow
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:01 PM ET
It's not tampering if Washington gave them permission. I wouldnt have minded Vokoun as a back-up to Bryz. And if the Flyers are going to be trading some forwards, I wouldnt mind Radulov if he was cheap.
- RooNosHockey


that's true, but i heard nothing to that effect. i don't want a $2MM back up. why would you want radulov? we already had zherdev and we all know how that worked out.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 6 @ 2:01 PM ET
JvR for Enstrom, hmm... I'm not sure I'm too excited about that. Or Schenn either.

But I think that's what it would take.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:02 PM ET
Pittsburgh needed a better back-up for Flower, and Flyers need someone they can rely on if Bryz falters again. It was smart for Pitt to quickly trade for him and sign him, as it hurt the Flyers and other teams that need someone like Vokoun. Though the Flyers needs are not as high as some others.
- RooNosHockey


I would like the Flyers to sign a veteran guy like Vokoun to back up Bryz. Scott Clemmensen, Johan Hedberg, Martin Biron and Josh Harding are all UFAs. I'd take one of them.
StayTunedMTC
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA 2, ANA 1, CGY 1, SJ 0, VAN 0, PHX 0, EDM who cares
Joined: 08.02.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:02 PM ET
The Triple Deke never fails. Same goes for the Flying V.
- NickTheKid87

Mighty ducks 2, favorite childhood movie along with the sandlot and hook.
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:03 PM ET
man incredible lift....puck entered the net ankle high then hit the top corner. just wow
- nastyflyergirl


Not even Adam Banks could pull that off.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:04 PM ET
I understand why his teammates would want him back. Flyers need to look at this differently. They need to upgrade defense. Not spend over $3M on a 41 year old when they have younger players ready to take on more minutes.
- stveshdy


the only number that worries me about jagr is the number of games he misses due to injury. and i totally agree about letting the kids play. they're ready to play at the pro level, let them develop at it
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:04 PM ET
Mighty ducks 2, favorite childhood movie along with the sandlot and hook.
- StayTunedMTC


D2 was the best Mighty Ducks movie. I still can't believe Goldberg let up that soft goal against Trinidad and Tobago.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:04 PM ET
Pittsburgh needed a better back-up for Flower, and Flyers need someone they can rely on if Bryz falters again. It was smart for Pitt to quickly trade for him and sign him, as it hurt the Flyers and other teams that need someone like Vokoun. Though the Flyers needs are not as high as some others.
- RooNosHockey

IT's been illustrated ad nauseaum that Bryzgalov was one of the Better goalies in the NHL through the second half of the season. Also Bryzgalov was far from the reason why the Flyers are not in the playoffs now. Do they want a backup? Sure you need a backup goalie that can play so as to give the starter much needed time off. However the whole idea of jettisoning Bobrovsky is his high cap hit. If you're gonna do all that, why bring in a guy like Vokoun? Furthermore Vokoun never made it here last year when he became available so there is little to no evidence that says they the Flyers are interested or Vokoun himself wants to play here either.

All I'm saying is, if the Pens are making decisions on who their back up goalie is based on what their opposition is doing then that sounds bush league to me.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:06 PM ET
the only number that worries me about jagr is the number of games he misses due to injury. and i totally agree about letting the kids play. they're ready to play at the pro level, let them develop at it
- flyerscup2011


Would you rather trade JvR or Hartnell (NTC) willing he waive it?
NickTheKid87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 11.19.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:06 PM ET
IT's been illustrated ad nauseaum that Bryzgalov was one of the Better goalies in the NHL through the second half of the season. Also Bryzgalov was far from the reason why the Flyers are not in the playoffs now. Do they want a backup? Sure you need a backup goalie that can play so as to give the starter much needed time off. However the whole idea of jettisoning Bobrovsky is his high cap hit. If you're gonna do all that, why bring in a guy like Vokoun? Furthermore Vokoun never made it here last year when he became available so there is little to no evidence that says they the Flyers are interested or Vokoun himself wants to play here either.

All I'm saying is, if the Pens are making decisions on who their back up goalie is based on what their opposition is doing then that sounds bush league to me.

- JoeRussomanno


Plus G said he'd be the best goalie in the league next year
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:06 PM ET
JvR for Enstrom, hmm... I'm not sure I'm too excited about that. Or Schenn either.

But I think that's what it would take.

- Marc D


i'd do jvr for enstrom +. i don't know if they'd give up enstrom + for schenn. if i'm the flyers i'm looking for stay at home shut down type defenders. we have carle, timonen and gustaffson who are all very comparable to enstrom
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:07 PM ET
I would like the Flyers to sign a veteran guy like Vokoun to back up Bryz. Scott Clemmensen, Johan Hedberg, Martin Biron and Josh Harding are all UFAs. I'd take one of them.
- NickTheKid87

really? an aging veteran making more money than the current backup and on a NTC +35 contract that is already showing signs of breaking down? How is that good for the Flyers or even the best option?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:07 PM ET
JvR for Enstrom, hmm... I'm not sure I'm too excited about that. Or Schenn either.

But I think that's what it would take.

- Marc D


Have to give something up to get something in return. Enstrom is an All-Star caliber defenseman.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:08 PM ET
Plus G said he'd be the best goalie in the league next year

- NickTheKid87

If we had Leighton as the annointed starter i would expect nothing less from Giroux. He's supposed to support his teammates.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:09 PM ET
Would you rather trade JvR or Hartnell (NTC) willing he waive it?
- stveshdy


any player is available at the right price except giroux as far as i'm concerned
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:09 PM ET
I understand why his teammates would want him back. Flyers need to look at this differently. They need to upgrade defense. Not spend over $3M on a 41 year old when they have younger players ready to take on more minutes.
- stveshdy


I have a feeling we are going to have another "shocking" summer. I think as many as 3 of our young forwards, and 2 of our current defense will be traded to bring in top talent players.... I'm not sure why I feel this way... A top D-man, and a top winger... and you may even see Parise sign here... Who knows...
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:09 PM ET
If we had Leighton as the annointed starter i would expect nothing less from Giroux. He's supposed to support his teammates.
- JoeRussomanno


Would you take Leighton as Bryz's backup if he signed for $800,000-900,000?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:10 PM ET
Would you take Leighton as Bryz's backup if he signed for $900,000?
- stveshdy

eh a little less maybe and only for one year then okay. But if 900k is the veteran minimum fine but I don't think that is. However I don't want Vokoun on that deal either especially if Bobrovsky's cap hit is a perceived problem.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:10 PM ET
any player is available at the right price except giroux as far as i'm concerned
- flyerscup2011


My only untouchables are Giroux and Couturier. Everyone else is available.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:11 PM ET
I have a feeling we are going to have another "shocking" summer. I think as many as 3 of our young forwards, and 2 of our current defense will be traded to bring in top talent players.... I'm not sure why I feel this way... A top D-man, and a top winger... and you may even see Parise sign here... Who knows...
- RooNosHockey


i'd like to see some of those things happen. i'd be thrilled with parise. they have options and cap space for once which is nice.
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