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RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 6 @ 5:33 PM ET
i too
- Crimsoninja


Were you pucking with me Crims... Just when I thought we were having a productive discussion. Fooled again by the comic clerk...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 6 @ 5:33 PM ET
If a guy only plays 1 game, and scores a goal in that one game. How many goals is he on pace for?
- RooNosHockey

This has to be a trick question, I'm going with zero.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 5:34 PM ET
If a guy only plays 1 game, and scores a goal in that one game. How many goals is he on pace for?
- RooNosHockey


Impossible to determine. I don't think thats even a relevant point. JvR is still very young and I see why he was a 2nd overall pick. The same logic can be applied to Kreider. He looked impressive at times, but it was only 1 playoff run. How did he do against new jersey?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:34 PM ET
This has to be a trick question, I'm going with zero.
- BulliesPhan87

lol
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 6 @ 5:34 PM ET
This has to be a trick question, I'm going with zero.
- BulliesPhan87


I cant tell if your avatar is Patrick Stewart, Mark Messier, or Randy Couture.... and its bothering me....
aightwebang17
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Typical Montreal, PA
Joined: 07.10.2008

Jun 6 @ 5:35 PM ET
I cant tell if your avatar is Patrick Stewart, Mark Messier, or Randy Couture.... and its bothering me....
- RooNosHockey

It's Logan Couture
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 6 @ 5:38 PM ET
Impossible to determine. I don't think thats even a relevant point. JvR is still very young and I see why he was a 2nd overall pick. The same logic can be applied to Kreider. He looked impressive at times, but it was only 1 playoff run. How did he do against new jersey?
- flyerscup2011


I was using a backwards attempt to say that I dont think there was enough of a sample size of JVR's 40 goal pace to credit him as a possible 40 goal scorer. I hope I'm wrong... unless the Flyers trade him, then I hope I'm right...
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jun 6 @ 5:41 PM ET
It's Logan Couture
- aightwebang17


The more I look the more its looking like Picard... but on my computer, its really hard to tell with that yell going on...
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:42 PM ET
i just hate that i spelled rhythm incorrectly
- Crimsoninja


as do I.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Jun 6 @ 5:45 PM ET
I cant tell if your avatar is Patrick Stewart, Mark Messier, or Randy Couture.... and its bothering me....
- RooNosHockey


It's Drew Doughty after a questionable penalty call. You can't see it in the photo, but just out of frame he's smashing his stick into the boards too.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 5:51 PM ET
Impossible to determine. I don't think thats even a relevant point. JvR is still very young and I see why he was a 2nd overall pick. The same logic can be applied to Kreider. He looked impressive at times, but it was only 1 playoff run. How did he do against new jersey?
- flyerscup2011


Anyone upset that Pronger sold his house?
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 5:53 PM ET
Anyone upset that Pronger sold his house?
- stveshdy


I'm not. He's obviously done. So why not let him move. We can Rathje him regardless of where he lives
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 5:58 PM ET
I'm not. He's obviously done. So why not let him move. We can Rathje him regardless of where he lives
- flyerscup2011


Just stinks they cant LTIR players during the summer. We only have to Rathje him for another five years. The new CBA needs to have something about career ending injuries were players still get paid but dont count on the cap.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 6:03 PM ET
Just stinks they cant LTIR players during the summer. We only have to Rathje him for another five years. The new CBA needs to have something about career ending injuries were players still get paid but dont count on the cap.
- stveshdy


i totally agree
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 6 @ 6:37 PM ET
I cant tell if your avatar is Patrick Stewart, Mark Messier, or Randy Couture.... and its bothering me....
- RooNosHockey

feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jun 6 @ 6:37 PM ET
Anyone upset that Pronger sold his house?
- stveshdy

Depends on the price he got.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 6 @ 6:44 PM ET
Depends on the price he got.
- feelingkettle

$1.5M is what I heard
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jun 6 @ 6:51 PM ET

- feelingkettle


Messier?
roenick97
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Canada, MI
Joined: 12.23.2006

Jun 6 @ 6:59 PM ET
On Jagr...

When Jagr was packing up at the end of the season it looked pretty much definite the Flyers would not be bringing him back for the raise he wanted. As I reported a few days ago other teams had been rumored to be preparing July 1 offers as well. Well today the tides appear to be shifting back to the Flyers and Jagr possibly getting a deal together after all. According to a source, several Flyers, including Claude Giroux, lobbied hard for the team to re-sign Jagr in their exit interviews and the Flyers may indeed be once again working on a one-year deal.

Jagr was a great soldier in Philadelphia. While his numbers fell off as the season went along what he brought to this young team was far more important than his numbers. For a guy like Giroux, Jagr taught him how to be a superstar and play at a higher level night in and night out. Scotty Hartnell's game was elevated to All-Star status playing on a line with Giroux and Jagr.

Jagr's work ethic was astonishing, and I really got the impression that Giroux and Hartnell's respect for the guy meant that every time they hit the ice for a shift with him they continued to push him harder.

I am curious if Flyers fans feel Jagr is worth another year at a raise, or, while the players devotion to him is inspiring, "Have the Flyers gotten all the advantages of Jagr out of him and were his numbers dropping a sign he may not have enough in the tank at his age for an entire season?"


There is no doubt in my mind that the youngsters of this team feel this way about Jagr. The players as well as the media have been open about this all season long. Jagr's name and history in the NHL is a motivational leadership tool for the players on this team. It's another type of leadership we've been missing since Pronger went down due to injury. If the Flyers did choose to walk away from Jagr, I figured Doan would be the next best player to replace the voices of Jagr and Pronger that the Flyers would be leaving behind. I think Jagr being re-sign would be a good thing. It just depends on how happy Jagr would be with a lesser role.

The Jagr salute was a big deal this season from the Winter Classic to the All-Star Game.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 6 @ 7:06 PM ET
i totally agree
- flyerscup2011





It bothers me that no one had the foresight for something like this. A team shouldn't be penalized because of somebody's career ending by injury over the age of 35.

Is it the same way if he was 24 and had a career ending injury? Would that 5 years still count?

flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 6 @ 7:07 PM ET
It bothers me that no one had the foresight for something like this. A team shouldn't be penalized because of somebody's career ending by injury over the age of 35.

Is it the same way if he was 24 and had a career ending injury? Would that 5 years still count?

- aosplayo


if the player retired no.

hopefully that error is corrected in the next cba. hopefully the nhlpa doesn't screw that up.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 6 @ 7:07 PM ET
On Jagr...

When Jagr was packing up at the end of the season it looked pretty much definite the Flyers would not be bringing him back for the raise he wanted. As I reported a few days ago other teams had been rumored to be preparing July 1 offers as well. Well today the tides appear to be shifting back to the Flyers and Jagr possibly getting a deal together after all. According to a source, several Flyers, including Claude Giroux, lobbied hard for the team to re-sign Jagr in their exit interviews and the Flyers may indeed be once again working on a one-year deal.

Jagr was a great soldier in Philadelphia. While his numbers fell off as the season went along what he brought to this young team was far more important than his numbers. For a guy like Giroux, Jagr taught him how to be a superstar and play at a higher level night in and night out. Scotty Hartnell's game was elevated to All-Star status playing on a line with Giroux and Jagr.

Jagr's work ethic was astonishing, and I really got the impression that Giroux and Hartnell's respect for the guy meant that every time they hit the ice for a shift with him they continued to push him harder.

I am curious if Flyers fans feel Jagr is worth another year at a raise, or, while the players devotion to him is inspiring, "Have the Flyers gotten all the advantages of Jagr out of him and were his numbers dropping a sign he may not have enough in the tank at his age for an entire season?"


There is no doubt in my mind that the youngsters of this team feel this way about Jagr. The players as well as the media have been open about this all season long. Jagr's name and history in the NHL is a motivational leadership tool for the players on this team. It's another type of leadership we've been missing since Pronger went down due to injury. If the Flyers did choose to walk away from Jagr, I figured Doan would be the next best player to replace the voices of Jagr and Pronger that the Flyers would be leaving behind. I think Jagr being re-sign would be a good thing. It just depends on how happy Jagr would be with a lesser role.

The Jagr salute was a big deal this season from the Winter Classic to the All-Star Game.

- roenick97






EDIT: Doan
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Jun 6 @ 7:08 PM ET
It bothers me that no one had the foresight for something like this. A team shouldn't be penalized because of somebody's career ending by injury over the age of 35.

Is it the same way if he was 24 and had a career ending injury? Would that 5 years still count?

- aosplayo


No, the rule is for an over 35 deal.

The pretty whack part is is that Pronger signed the deal right around his 35th birthday if I'm not mistaken. Just missed it.

The next CBA needs to include a clause where a player that is deemed no longer medically fit to play professionally is excused from the over 35+ clause. The deal is really in place to prevent teams from trying to circumvent the cap by signing older players to contracts they never intend to fill.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 6 @ 7:19 PM ET
No, the rule is for an over 35 deal.

The pretty whack part is is that Pronger signed the deal right around his 35th birthday if I'm not mistaken. Just missed it.

The next CBA needs to include a clause where a player that is deemed no longer medically fit to play professionally is excused from the over 35+ clause. The deal is really in place to prevent teams from trying to circumvent the cap by signing older players to contracts they never intend to fill.

- mochoson




Some GM was thinking, yea sure go ahead and have that 35+, Im gonna LTIR the crap out of it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 6 @ 7:59 PM ET
No, the rule is for an over 35 deal.

The pretty whack part is is that Pronger signed the deal right around his 35th birthday if I'm not mistaken. Just missed it.

The next CBA needs to include a clause where a player that is deemed no longer medically fit to play professionally is excused from the over 35+ clause. The deal is really in place to prevent teams from trying to circumvent the cap by signing older players to contracts they never intend to fill.

- mochoson


He actually signed it as a 34 year old, but turned 35 before it went into effect.
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