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MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 5 @ 8:14 PM ET
Would still come out with another banner, more than the Kings still. Not great, but something. Add me to the list of those very impressed by the Devils, especially the Rangers series and game 2. This is just the Kings year. FINALLY, after 44 years, with one more win still to go of course...
- cryptical77


I honestly appreciate this response. We'd get a banner? we didn't win a division or conference.. its been so long, do you get a banner for losing in the cup finals? or winning the conference finals?
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 5 @ 8:20 PM ET
I'd be willing to shell out a fairly long term deal to get him too. Larsson, Merill, Suter, and Greene in our top 4 in 3 years?
- rmdevil313

Oh my lanta
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 5 @ 8:23 PM ET
from Zippy-

I doubt we keep all three of Carter, Gionta, Bernier? I am guessing we'd keep two out of three, which two would you like to see return?
I'd like to keep all 3. Maybe give Carter 2 years/2mil. If I HAD to choose.. man.. Carter definitely. Gionta brings it every shift while Bernier has taken a few off here and there, but Bernier I still think has more talent to play on any of the lines if need be. tough call. I hope we bring them back for a few more years. This playoff run has only made them stronger together and together, they can help us win games in future regular and postseasons.

Do you think we should keep Ponikarovski?
No, I don't think we should keep PonikarovskY

Do you think we should keep Salvador (with him we'd have seven defensemen with Larsson)?
This is tough, but we have no choice but to let him go. he's older, but he's a leader. He'll only get slower, and we may not have the Cap money if we choose to resign Parise, the 4th line, a goalie? and possibly a scoring forward if we don't bring up someone from Albany. I'd like him to stay, and just have 7 great dmen for when injuries hit.. but I doubt it.

How much should Fayne get in his new deal and how long?
3 years/7mil. I'm not sold on him being a future top pairing guy to offer him more years/money.

Peter Harrold or Taormina as 7th d-man (both UFAs), or neither?Harrold has been great for what he is. He's shown more grit, tho less vision, than Taormina. I'm not too worried about our 7th dman. I think either of them, or Urbom, or even Gelinas or Merril can fill in if need be.

Sykora or Janssen returning, or neither?
NO

I think our forwards will be, and should be, the same group + Tedenby
The D will be the same + Tallinder, and minus Salvador, unfortunately.

I love Marty and Moose.. but I think we might be getting younger in net.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 5 @ 8:30 PM ET
I'd be willing to shell out a fairly long term deal to get him too. Larsson, Merill, Suter, and Greene in our top 4 in 3 years?
- rmdevil313
..

I'd give him 12 years/70mil. 5.83 cap hit.
Parise gets 10 years/65mil. 6.5 cap hit. .. max.
Fayne 3years/7mil, 2.33 cap hit.
Carter gets 2years/1.8mil
Gionta gets 2 years/1.5mil
Bernier gets 2 years/1.5mil
Marty I hope will sign for 3-4 mil.
a backup for 1.5 mil.

Including Tedenby (13 forwards), and a 7th dman, this leaves us with 9mil cap space! .. assuming it goes up to 70 like CapGeek has projected.. more than enough for Suter. Actually, if we go after Suter there would be no need to resign Fayne anyway.

with the hopes that Larsson develops into a top pairing guy? .. that Merill can also be a mid pairing guy?.. that would be nice.
Gelinas and Urbom/Fayne in the bottom pair. I think we'll still have Volchenkov by then too. He'll probably be a #5 or 6.
rmdevil313
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Your a (frank)ing fag and I hope you get crippled- Cranny, MN
Joined: 01.05.2009

Jun 5 @ 8:33 PM ET
from Zippy-

I doubt we keep all three of Carter, Gionta, Bernier? I am guessing we'd keep two out of three, which two would you like to see return?
I'd like to keep all 3. If I HAD to choose.. man.. Carter definitely. Gionta brings it every shift while Bernier has taken a few off here and there, but Bernier I still think has more talent to play on any of the lines if need be. tough call. I hope we bring them back for a few more years. This playoff run has only made them stronger together and together, they can help us win games in future regular and postseasons.

Do you think we should keep Ponikarovski?
No, I don't think we should keep PonikarovskY

Do you think we should keep Salvador (with him we'd have seven defensemen with Larsson)?
This is tough, but we have no choice but to let him go. he's older, but he's a leader. He'll only get slower, and we may not have the Cap money if we choose to resign Parise, the 4th line, a goalie? and possibly a scoring forward if we don't bring up someone from Albany. I'd like him to stay, and just have 7 great dmen for when injuries hit.. but I doubt it.

How much should Fayne get in his new deal and how long?
4 years/12mil. 3 mil cap hit. if he wants more money, then do 3 years/10mil. I'm not sold on him being a future top pairing guy to offer him more years/money.

Peter Harrold or Taormina as 7th d-man (both UFAs), or neither?
Harrold has been great for what he is. He's shown more grit, tho less vision, than Taormina. I'm not too worried about our 7th dman. I think either of them, or Urbom, or even Gelinas or Merril can fill in if need be.
Sykora or Janssen returning, or neither?
NO

- MartysBetter88


No way I give fayne 3 mil per. He's an RFA and not a true anything. He's solid all around, but we could use the money better if he wants that much.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 5 @ 8:39 PM ET
No way I give fayne 3 mil per. He's an RFA and not a true anything. He's solid all around, but we could use the money better if he wants that much.
- rmdevil313


yea i changed my mind. i think he's worth 2.33 tho. He's an ok mid pairing guy. if we can have him for less that would be great. 3years/6mil? I'd be down for that.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 5 @ 8:49 PM ET
I still think Detroit or Nashville land Suter.. as much as he'd be a great fit here.
zach parise9
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 07.10.2009

Jun 5 @ 9:03 PM ET
Just some thoughts:

I doubt we keep all three of Carter, Gionta, Bernier? I am guessing we'd keep two out of three, which two would you like to see return?

Do you think we should keep Ponikarovski?

Do you think we should keep Salvador (with him we'd have seven defensemen with Larsson)?

How much should Fayne get in his new deal and how long?

Peter Harrold or Taormina as 7th d-man (both UFAs), or neither?

Sykora or Janssen returning, or neither?

- _Zippy_

If we can, there is no reason to not keep all 3 of the fourth line. They have been great, better than our top line in these playoffs. Poni is garbage. So soft for a guy with his size. Keep Salvador unless they want to give Urbom a shot. Bryce is better than Volchenkov, but we probably can't move A-train. Fayne should get around $2.5 million. Harrold as our 7th but he might get a better offer elsewhere. Don't need Sykora or Janssen.
zach parise9
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 07.10.2009

Jun 5 @ 9:08 PM ET
..

I'd give him 12 years/70mil. 5.83 cap hit.
Parise gets 10 years/65mil. 6.5 cap hit. .. max.
Fayne 3years/7mil, 2.33 cap hit.
Carter gets 2years/1.8mil
Gionta gets 2 years/1.5mil
Bernier gets 2 years/1.5mil
Marty I hope will sign for 3-4 mil.
a backup for 1.5 mil.

Including Tedenby (13 forwards), and a 7th dman, this leaves us with 9mil cap space! .. assuming it goes up to 70 like CapGeek has projected.. more than enough for Suter. Actually, if we go after Suter there would be no need to resign Fayne anyway.

with the hopes that Larsson develops into a top pairing guy? .. that Merill can also be a mid pairing guy?.. that would be nice.
Gelinas and Urbom/Fayne in the bottom pair. I think we'll still have Volchenkov by then too. He'll probably be a #5 or 6.

- MartysBetter88

It would be sick if we could get Suter, but I doubt it. Probably would take him over Parise if I had the choice.
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 5 @ 9:43 PM ET
It would be sick if we could get Suter, but I doubt it. Probably would take him over Parise if I had the choice.
- zach parise9


idk. i'd strongly consider it though.

Suter-Zidlicky
Tallinder-Larsson
Fayne/Volchenkov-Greene

then Zidlicky leaves after next year..

Suter-Greene
Tallinder-Larsson
Volchenkov-Fayne

after that it will be time for Merril, Gelinas and Urbom to duke it out for the 6th spot left vacant by either Greene, Fayne or a buyed out Volchenkov. Gelinas, Merril, Urbom may be ready after next year.. but it wouldn't hurt for them to develop another year in the minors. .. maybe even bring Albany some success by having a solid D.

I don't understand what happened to Volchenkov. He's not a BAD dman, but he's not as mobile as I remember him being. Maybe next to Suter he'd be good? idk.

up front we'd roll..

Kovalchuk-Zajac-Zubrus
Elias-Henrique-Clarkson
Tedenby-Josefson-??
Carter-Gionta-Bernier

now that I think about it, we would have more holes in the present and future on offense than we would on D. If we lose Parise, what player of his determination and tenacity and heart do we have to replace him with? We don't have any super talented forwards in the system... especially on the wing. Elias is aging, as is Zubrus, Clarkson is Clarkson and Kovy is Kovy. MAYBE Tedenby, but I doubt it. We need Parise for the future more than we need Suter. Merrill and Gelinas have top pairing potential, along with Larsson. Those 3 could legit be our top 3 in 5 years... and be a good top 3. I don't have that much confidence in any of our young forwards. I think Zajac, Henrique and Josefson play their roles well at center, but none of them will be a Kopitar, a Datsyuk, a Sedin, a Staal, a Richards. Henrique and Josefson may develop into good players, but they need good/better talents on their wings.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Jun 5 @ 9:48 PM ET
we wouldn't be in this 3-0 hole if we didn't trade pelley

Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Jun 5 @ 10:39 PM ET
we wouldn't be in this 3-0 hole if we didn't trade pelley


- shvingter88

amen brother
NickA
New Jersey Devils
Location: Shero's magical sack, NJ
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jun 5 @ 11:22 PM ET
we wouldn't be in this 3-0 hole if we didn't trade pelley


- shvingter88



Rod Pelley hockey for life. He would of scored 2 ot winners for us not a doubt in my mind.
cryptical77
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jun 5 @ 11:42 PM ET
I honestly appreciate this response. We'd get a banner? we didn't win a division or conference.. its been so long, do you get a banner for losing in the cup finals? or winning the conference finals?
- MartysBetter88


Unless I'm mistaken, winning the Wales Trophy earns a conference banner. Am I wrong on that?
PancakesPenner
Los Angeles Kings
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 04.20.2012

Jun 6 @ 12:43 AM ET
I honestly appreciate this response. We'd get a banner? we didn't win a division or conference.. its been so long, do you get a banner for losing in the cup finals? or winning the conference finals?
- MartysBetter88


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Devils get an Eastern Conference Champs banner for making it to the SCFs.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 6 @ 12:45 AM ET
Unless I'm mistaken, winning the Wales Trophy earns a conference banner. Am I wrong on that?
- cryptical77


we dont care about that banner we wont the stanley cup banner
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 6 @ 12:52 AM ET
we dont care about that banner we wont the stanley cup banner
- dmarsden2988


well a banner is nice..
TrueBlue9182
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 02.04.2010

Jun 6 @ 1:03 AM ET
well a banner is nice..
- MartysBetter88


That's one more banner then the rangers have
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 6 @ 1:11 AM ET
That's one more banner then the rangers have
- TrueBlue9182








MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 6 @ 1:12 AM ET
Jeffrey7146
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.15.2008

Jun 6 @ 1:29 AM ET
well a banner is nice..
- MartysBetter88


at least we'll have room for it now that the nets banners will be gone
K-dizzle
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.28.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:05 AM ET
idk. i'd strongly consider it though.

Suter-Zidlicky
Tallinder-Larsson
Fayne/Volchenkov-Greene

then Zidlicky leaves after next year..

Suter-Greene
Tallinder-Larsson
Volchenkov-Fayne

after that it will be time for Merril, Gelinas and Urbom to duke it out for the 6th spot left vacant by either Greene, Fayne or a buyed out Volchenkov. Gelinas, Merril, Urbom may be ready after next year.. but it wouldn't hurt for them to develop another year in the minors. .. maybe even bring Albany some success by having a solid D.

I don't understand what happened to Volchenkov. He's not a BAD dman, but he's not as mobile as I remember him being. Maybe next to Suter he'd be good? idk.

up front we'd roll..

Kovalchuk-Zajac-Zubrus
Elias-Henrique-Clarkson
Tedenby-Josefson-??
Carter-Gionta-Bernier

now that I think about it, we would have more holes in the present and future on offense than we would on D. If we lose Parise, what player of his determination and tenacity and heart do we have to replace him with? We don't have any super talented forwards in the system... especially on the wing. Elias is aging, as is Zubrus, Clarkson is Clarkson and Kovy is Kovy. MAYBE Tedenby, but I doubt it. We need Parise for the future more than we need Suter. Merrill and Gelinas have top pairing potential, along with Larsson. Those 3 could legit be our top 3 in 5 years... and be a good top 3. I don't have that much confidence in any of our young forwards. I think Zajac, Henrique and Josefson play their roles well at center, but none of them will be a Kopitar, a Datsyuk, a Sedin, a Staal, a Richards. Henrique and Josefson may develop into good players, but they need good/better talents on their wings.

- MartysBetter88




What about PA Parenteau? Hes an UFA. Maybe Lou will go after him If Parise chooses to go elsewhere. Suter would be amazing but its highly unlikely. I would love to keep the 4th line but i doubt it will happen.. I do think the team needs a big center like a Paul Gaustad. We dont have much size up the middle. Zajac, JJ, Henrique, Gionta (If resigned) aren't really the biggest guys out there. And the team is terrible on draws. Who knows if JJ can stay healthy? I think Stoll from LA is a UFA... . Hopefully Tedenby can bounce back and stay with the team.

You think Lou might do something to get a pick in 1st round of the draft?
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 6 @ 2:36 AM ET
What about PA Parenteau? Hes an UFA. Maybe Lou will go after him If Parise chooses to go elsewhere. Suter would be amazing but its highly unlikely. I would love to keep the 4th line but i doubt it will happen.. I do think the team needs a big center like a Paul Gaustad. We dont have much size up the middle. Zajac, JJ, Henrique, Gionta (If resigned) aren't really the biggest guys out there. And the team is terrible on draws. Who knows if JJ can stay healthy? I think Stoll from LA is a UFA... . Hopefully Tedenby can bounce back and stay with the team.

You think Lou might do something to get a pick in 1st round of the draft?

- K-dizzle


I forgot about Parenteau. eh. he's 29. played 2 full seasons.. 6 foot, 193lbs. Is he fast? I don't even remember right now. He was decent but only 20 goals and 18 goals in the 2 seasons. 9th round pick.. idk if he'd be a difference maker. Not a bad option, but idk.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jun 6 @ 2:53 AM ET
I forgot about Parenteau. eh. he's 29. played 2 full seasons.. 6 foot, 193lbs. Is he fast? I don't even remember right now. He was decent but only 20 goals and 18 goals in the 2 seasons. 9th round pick.. idk if he'd be a difference maker. Not a bad option, but idk.
- MartysBetter88


he is an assist machine and would be very good on the pp
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Jun 6 @ 3:17 AM ET
he is an assist machine and would be very good on the pp
- dmarsden2988


soo.. Kovalchuk-Henrique-Parenteau?
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