let's look team by team to see where he ranks
anaheim: 2nd line center
boston: 3rd line center
buffalo: 2nd line center
calgary: 1st line center
carolina: 2nd line center
chicago; 2nd line center
colorado: 3rd line center
columbus: 1st line center
dallas: 2nd line center
detroit: 3rd line center
edmonton: 2ndline center
florida: 2nd line center
los angeles: 3rd line center
minnesota: 2nd lin center
nashville; 1st line center
new jersey: 3rd line center
islanders: 2nd line center
rangers: 2nd line center
ottawa: 3rd line center
philadelphia: 3rd line center
phoenix: 1st line center
pittsburgh: 3rd line center
san jose: 3rd line center
st. louis: 2nd line ce
tampa: 3rd line center
toronto: 1st line center
vancouver: 3rd line center
washington: 3rd line center
winnipeg: 2nd line center.
- tomburton99

Did you forget Montreal on purpose?

Did you forget Montreal on purpose?
- _nay_

No respect.

let's look team by team to see where he ranks
anaheim: 2nd line center
boston: 3rd line center
buffalo: 2nd line center
calgary: 1st line center
carolina: 2nd line center
chicago; 2nd line center
colorado: 3rd line center
columbus: 1st line center
dallas: 2nd line center
detroit: 3rd line center
edmonton: 2ndline center
florida: 2nd line center
los angeles: 3rd line center
minnesota: 2nd lin center
nashville; 1st line center
new jersey: 3rd line center
islanders: 2nd line center
rangers: 2nd line center
ottawa: 3rd line center
philadelphia: 3rd line center
phoenix: 1st line center
pittsburgh: 3rd line center
san jose: 3rd line center
st. louis: 2nd line ce
tampa: 3rd line center
toronto: 1st line center
vancouver: 3rd line center
washington: 3rd line center
winnipeg: 2nd line center.
- tomburton99

Incorrect.

Why bother? The guy gets no PP time and plays with Cooke and Kennedy. If people want to value him based on points take that into consideration. He's a 2nd line center on 28 teams in this league and a first on a handful.
- canadianpenfan

False.

Staal got the 2nd most PP time of any Penguins center this year, effectively making him the 2nd PP wave's designated centerman. He also obviously has the most time played on the PK.

He has the 2nd most icetime overall for centers, another evidence pointing to his 2nd line center role with the penguins, as opposed to the 3rd line role people seemed so obsessed about.

Did you forget Montreal on purpose?
- _nay_

whoops, no i did it by accident. he's a 2nd line center with the habs

False.

Staal got the 2nd most PP time of any Penguins center this year, effectively making him the 2nd PP wave's designated centerman. He also obviously has the most time played on the PK.
- PRICEless

I'm talking over his career, not just last year. If you want to only look at last year he was close to a PPG player.

If that deal was on the table P Burg would have jumped all over it. Granted it's not the typ of D man they need but They could flip the pics alone for a shutdown guy. Staal is a very good second line center and a great 3rd line. Yandle is way underrated. Yandle for Staal stright up would be fair let alone the picks thrown in.

Staal is a lot better than most people realize. As a laughs fan I'de do whatever to put him between Lupsell, would be a killer line, plus he's one of the best Pkers in the League - very underated player in Pitt.

let's look team by team to see where he ranks
anaheim: 2nd line center
boston: 3rd line center
buffalo: 2nd line center
calgary: 1st line center
carolina: 2nd line center
chicago; 2nd line center
colorado: 3rd line center
columbus: 1st line center
dallas: 2nd line center
detroit: 3rd line center
edmonton: 2ndline center
florida: 2nd line center
los angeles: 3rd line center
minnesota: 2nd lin center
nashville; 1st line center
new jersey: 3rd line center
islanders: 2nd line center
rangers: 2nd line center
ottawa: 3rd line center
philadelphia: 3rd line center
phoenix: 1st line center
pittsburgh: 3rd line center
san jose: 3rd line center
st. louis: 2nd line ce
tampa: 3rd line center
toronto: 1st line center
vancouver: 3rd line center
washington: 3rd line center
winnipeg: 2nd line center.
- tomburton99

You're telling me Derek Roy, Kyle Turris, Vinny Lecavalier, Brooks Laich, and Bryan Little are better than Staal? And Just because he's a third line center on deep teams like Boston doesn't mean he's a third liner. Also many teams would accomodate him in their top 6. The Devils would probably move henrique to the wing. I think Vancouver would try to get him in their top 6. Detroit and Colorado the same. At this point I would rather have Staal than Mike Richards.

I'm talking over his career, not just last year. If you want to only look at last year he was close to a PPG player.
- canadianpenfan

Last year and the year before that as well.

If you read back you'll see i've never made the argument that he wasnt a good player, as a matter of fact i've explicitely stated that he is, in my opinion, a great 2nd line center.

What's for sure is that he hasnt been getting 3rd line minutes ever since Crosby got injured and therefore it makes no sense to call him a 3rd line center or to say he "produced that much with 3rd line minutes".

Yet, you yourself said he was playing with Kennedy and Cooke right on last page...

Incorrect.
- optimus-reim

reibero is dallas's best center
detroit: datsyuk and zetterberg
florrida: weiss is first line
minny: koivu
jersey: zajac and henrique
ottawa: spezza turris
tampa: stamkos and lecavilier
washington: backstrom laich
winnipeg: burmistrov

the rangers need more scoring depth, but what does callahan have to do with j.staal? nothing.


- tomburton99

Well they have similar point production and play a similar game, yet Staal is a third liner is my point.

False.

Staal got the 2nd most PP time of any Penguins center this year, effectively making him the 2nd PP wave's designated centerman. He also obviously has the most time played on the PK.

He has the 2nd most icetime overall for centers, another evidence pointing to his 2nd line center role with the penguins, as opposed to the 3rd line role people seemed so obsessed about.
- PRICEless

so the guy is the 2nd unit center behind Malkin and Cindy and is the 1st Unit PK guy buts hes only a 3rd liner? So Staal =Gaustad

reibero is dallas's best center
detroit: datsyuk and zetterberg
florrida: weiss is first line
minny: koivu
jersey: zajac and henrique
ottawa: spezza turris
tampa: stamkos and lecavilier
washington: backstrom laich
winnipeg: burmistrov
- tomburton99

Staal would easily bump Turris, Laich and Burmistrov.

reibero is dallas's best center
detroit: datsyuk and zetterberg
florrida: weiss is first line
minny: koivu
jersey: zajac and henrique
ottawa: spezza turris
tampa: stamkos and lecavilier
washington: backstrom laich
winnipeg: burmistrov
- tomburton99

Burmistrov put up 28 points...

so the guy is the 2nd unit center behind Malkin and Cindy and is the 1st Unit PK guy buts hes only a 3rd liner? So Staal =Gaustad
- hubie

/facepalm

Since you obviously cant read, i've been making the point that HE IS NOT a (frank)ing 3rd line center.

You're telling me Derek Roy, Kyle Turris, Vinny Lecavalier, Brooks Laich, and Bryan Little are better than Staal? And Just because he's a third line center on deep teams like Boston doesn't mean he's a third liner. Also many teams would accomodate him in their top 6. The Devils would probably move henrique to the wing. I think Vancouver would try to get him in their top 6. Detroit and Colorado the same. At this point I would rather have Staal than Mike Richards.
- rmdevil313

Wow that is pretty bold- Richards is a playoff performer... and a solid one at that... most teams would kill for Richards come cup time...

reibero is dallas's best center
detroit: datsyuk and zetterberg
florrida: weiss is first line
minny: koivu
jersey: zajac and henrique
ottawa: spezza turris
tampa: stamkos and lecavilier
washington: backstrom laich
winnipeg: burmistrov
- tomburton99

You're hilarious. I'm not even going to argue with you because you're off the wall.

You're telling me Derek Roy, Kyle Turris, Vinny Lecavalier, Brooks Laich, and Bryan Little are better than Staal? And Just because he's a third line center on deep teams like Boston doesn't mean he's a third liner. Also many teams would accomodate him in their top 6. The Devils would probably move henrique to the wing. I think Vancouver would try to get him in their top 6. Detroit and Colorado the same. At this point I would rather have Staal than Mike Richards.
- rmdevil313

right now: roy has 4 65+ point season
jason spezza is kyle turris is questionable
brooks laich yes
and burmistrov maybe

Burmistrov put up 28 points...
- rmdevil313

I think his team losing to the Devils really got to him.

Staal would easily bump Turris, Laich and Burmistrov.
- PRICEless

Agreed. Which makes him a second line center on most teams.

reibero is dallas's best center
detroit: datsyuk and zetterberg
florrida: weiss is first line
minny: koivu
jersey: zajac and henrique
ottawa: spezza turris
tampa: stamkos and lecavilier
washington: backstrom laich
winnipeg: burmistrov
- tomburton99

Career high 29 point Kyle Turris is the #2, and staal the #3

Bad deal for the pens. They don't need another offensive D! They need good, scoring, big, 2-way players...ie they NEED more Staal-like players! Ideally he moves up to second line and either Crosby or Malkin is on the wing permanently. Trade Martin for cap space, Kennedy for a guy like Doug Murray and the situation is solved.

Wow that is pretty bold- Richards is a playoff performer... and a solid one at that... most teams would kill for Richards come cup time...
- saskoil21

Staal's not too shabby himself. He was big on the Pens cup run, looked good this year, and I think he'll be a better offensive producer than Richards. Couldn't go wrong with either one.

How's that going to happen when Getzlaf, Nash and Luongo are all going to Toronto? Surely Schenn and Kulemin would have already been involved in one of those other obvious deals that will surely happen.
- Juice