And you can't win game 7 if you don't score a goal.
- PrinceLH

indeed

So when is the rebuild coming? Hopefully not at the expense of the Maple Leafs roster!
- PrinceLH

No rebuild necessary. Just a retooling of the D and bottom 6. The core is pretty solid once Kesler is fully healed from his surgery (fingers crossed), and doesn't come back too early this year.

If Vancouver and Toronto make a deal for Lou, I'm not expecting Burke to include Gardiner or the 5th, as that makes no sense for TO, and likely neither of Colborne or Kadri, either. But something of value will have to be included, whether that comes with a cap equalizer (Connoly/Komi/Armstrong/Lombardi), or without, plus maybe a swapping of picks (not 1st rd.).

Honestly, I would be pretty happy with Franson + one of Armstrong/Komi/Connolly/Lombardi, and maybe a swap of 2nd rounders, or something of that ilk.

If the Leafs are thinking they can sign Schultz, they can afford to lose one of Schenn or Franson.

I'm sure the All star defense and Forwards and actually good coach had no part in it.
- yea-ok-buddy

Look at the numbers. The entire core of this team had a production drop off from the year before. The team won a ton of games they had no business winning because of goaltending.

No rebuild necessary. Just a retooling of the D and bottom 6. The core is pretty solid once Kesler is fully healed from his surgery (fingers crossed), and doesn't come back too early this year.

If Vancouver and Toronto make a deal for Lou, I'm not expecting Burke to include Gardiner or the 5th, as that makes no sense for TO, and likely neither of Colborne or Kadri, either. But something of value will have to be included, whether that comes with a cap equalizer (Connoly/Komi/Armstrong/Lombardi), or without, plus maybe a swapping of picks (not 1st rd.).

Honestly, I would be pretty happy with Franson + one of Armstrong/Komi/Connolly/Lombardi, and maybe a swap of 2nd rounders, or something of that ilk.

If the Leafs are thinking they can sign Schultz, they can afford to lose one of Schenn or Franson.
- Fosco

I'd rather lose them both, for an upgrade up front. You can keep Loungo, he isn't a fit here. It's just a bunch of hype, from Eklund and a few TSN monkeys, that want to keep this going.

I'm sure the All star defense and Forwards and actually good coach had no part in it.
- yea-ok-buddy

Come on. The one time you decide to praise the Canucks, you choose the D and coach. Despite having a few solid defenders, the team D was brutal this season, and AV is not a great coach.

Come on. The one time you decide to praise the Canucks, you choose the D and coach. Despite having a few solid defenders, the team D was brutal this season, and AV is not a great coach.
- Fosco

Tell him the sky is blue!

I'd rather lose them both, for an upgrade up front. You can keep Loungo, he isn't a fit here. It's just a bunch of hype, from Eklund and a few TSN monkeys, that want to keep this going.
- PrinceLH

Could be. But I guarantee Burke and Nonis will make an offer. Might not be a good one, but they'll try.

I could be wrong, but I think he'll end up in TO. Burke needs to make the playoffs to save his job, as well as make this season interesting for the 24/7 series.

Could be. But I guarantee Burke and Nonis will make an offer. Might not be a good one, but they'll try.

I could be wrong, but I think he'll end up in TO. Burke needs to make the playoffs to save his job, as well as make this season interesting for the 24/7 series.
- Fosco

Why? The Dead Things are starting to come down to earth.....it should be a good tilt, between two teams that are mediocre. Burke will damage this teams future, if he tries to make a run at 8th. This is a bottom 3 team, outside of goaltending.

Come on. The one time you decide to praise the Canucks, you choose the D and coach. Despite having a few solid defenders, the team D was brutal this season, and AV is not a great coach.
- Fosco

Canucks are a good hockey team, but most of the fans have something wrong with the way they think. AV just coached back to back president trophy teams, and Edler, Hamuis, Bieksa all can be All star defencemen.

Canucks are a good hockey team, but most of the fans have something wrong with the way they think. AV just coached back to back president trophy teams, and Edler, Hamuis, Bieksa all can be All star defencemen.
- yea-ok-buddy

Right! And they have the sisters up front, to boot! Or should I say slap, if your name is Marchant.

Canucks are a good hockey team, but most of the fans have something wrong with the way they think. AV just coached back to back president trophy teams, and Edler, Hamuis, Bieksa all can be All star defencemen.
- yea-ok-buddy

I'm not an AV hater, and he is a good coach but his limitations have been exposed for two years in a row, which is why I can't call him a great coach.

His line juggling comes at the worst times (he even admitted this at the end of the year), he's too forgiving of his favourites, and too impatient with young players.

Not a bad coach, but, IMO, his time should have ended in Van.

Bieksa, Hamhuis, and Edler can be All star quality, but Edler played like garbage defensively the 2nd half of the season, and needs a dependable partner. The 3rd pairing was also a joke until Tanev was there permanently.

I agree with you, though, several of the Canucks fans want to dismantle the core, and that's not necessary. The grass is always greener, for them.

So its something like:

Vancouver Trades - Luongo
Toronto Trades - Komisarek, prospect (Colbourne or Percy?), and a pick somewhere after the 3rd round?

???

So its something like:

Vancouver Trades - Luongo
Toronto Trades - Komisarek, prospect (Colbourne or Percy?), and a pick somewhere after the 3rd round?

???
- OilerFanFromBC

Ah, no......we trade you Komisarek, and you trade us Loungo and a second round draft pick. You can also have your pick of Lombardi or Connolly. If you take them both, you can keep your second rounder.

Ah, no......we trade you Komisarek, and you trade us Loungo and a second round draft pick. You can also have your pick of Lombardi or Connolly. If you take them both, you can keep your second rounder.
- PrinceLH

I'm actually not a fan at all of the Canucks if that's what you're thinking, even though I'm from BC... From most fans stand point, that seems fair, but in reality, the Canucks aren't just going to trade Lu JUST for Komi. Tampa and the Hawks probably have something they'd rather trade for than trading for Komisarek alone. Besides, Luongo has more trade value than him so adding a second rounder with Lu is for him would never make sense

So its something like:

Vancouver Trades - Luongo
Toronto Trades - Komisarek, prospect (Colbourne or Percy?), and a pick somewhere after the 3rd round?

???
- OilerFanFromBC

I'd rather keep Colborne because of the joke of the depth we have at the Centre position on the Leafs. Meh... A trade like this is the most likely to happen though probably

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I'd rather keep Colborne because of the joke of the depth we have at the Centre position on the Leafs. Meh... A trade like this is the most likely to happen though probably
- ejeezy

Yeah that's true. I'm just assuming it would have to be a prospect with about his and Percy's potential, unless perhaps they trade for the Leafs 2nd rounder where they would probably add a prospect with less potential such as Ashton or Biggs

Yeah that's true. I'm just assuming it would have to be a prospect with about his and Percy's potential, unless perhaps they trade for the Leafs 2nd rounder where they would probably add a prospect with less potential such as Ashton or Biggs
- OilerFanFromBC

Agreed

kk lets get this straight, our 1st rounders or colborne, kadri, mckegg, ross, percy, blacker, frattin, ashton, damigo will not be traded to vancouver in any deal for luongo.

Second if we are trading for luongo, it will be komisarek+, perhaps a mid pick or a mid prospect. And no the leafs will not expand the deal into something bigger cause we do not need raymond.
- Mapleleafs_91

we! dont need Komisarek!!!! canucks already have Ballard...being OVERPAID

we! dont need Komisarek!!!! canucks already have Ballard...being OVERPAID
- Canuckfan2006

sorry to tell you this but luongo wants out and there is not much teams available for his preference. i can really see komisarek + 3rd Rounder + Marcel Mueller/Greg Scott for luongo

we! dont need Komisarek!!!! canucks already have Ballard...being OVERPAID
- Canuckfan2006

True, but it will be hard to trade him to Toronto if Komisarek is not included in the deal. It's almost a must that he in part of it because Burke isn't that dumb where he'll take on 2 ridiculous contracts. On the bright side, Komi is almost $1.0M cheaper than Lu (not totally "bright side" but still...) and you're almost guaranteed a solid prospect and perhaps a draft pick. Vancouver isn't going to get a whole lot in return which is what most people expect, but in reality it'll be like:

VAN Trades: Luongo
TOR Trades: Komisarek, Percy, and 3rd Rounder

But hey, it's better than having an overpriced backup!

True, but it will be hard to trade him to Toronto if Komisarek is not included in the deal. It's almost a must that he in part of it because Burke isn't that dumb where he'll take on 2 ridiculous contracts. On the bright side for you, Komi is almost $1.0M cheaper than Lu (not totally "bright side" but still, whatever...) and you're almost guaranteed a solid prospect and perhaps a draft pick. Vancouver isn't going to get a whole lot in return which is what most people expect, but in reality this is what it'll be like:

VAN Trades: Luongo
TOR Trades: Komisarek, Percy, and 3rd Rounder

But hey, it's better than having an overpriced backup!
- OilerFanFromBC

Percy wont be included, probably a mid prospect... i cant see burke giving up a guy drafted in the 1st rounder as from our prospects. Maybe a Damigo or marcel mueller or a greg scott would be included in that deal.

Percy wont be included, probably a mid prospect... i cant see burke giving up a guy drafted in the 1st rounder as from our prospects. Maybe a Damigo or marcel mueller or a greg scott would be included in that deal.
- Mapleleafs_91

Possibly, you never know though what goes on behind the scenes between the GM's. Gillis "could" pull off getting him from the Leafs especially since the player going the other way is Luongo. If it is a mid-level prospect I'd be thinking someone like Biggs or Holzer which would probably mean the 3rd rounder would turn into a 2nd because I don't think that would be enough for Gillis in return but that's just me...

Possibly, you never know though what goes on behind the scenes between the GM's. Gillis "could" pull off getting him from the Leafs especially since the player going the other way is Luongo. If it is a mid-level prospect I'd be thinking someone like Biggs or Holzer which would probably mean the 3rd rounder would turn into a 2nd because I don't think that would be enough for Gillis in return but that's just me...
- OilerFanFromBC

probably yeah haha

True, but it will be hard to trade him to Toronto if Komisarek is not included in the deal. It's almost a must that he in part of it because Burke isn't that dumb where he'll take on 2 ridiculous contracts. On the bright side, Komi is almost $1.0M cheaper than Lu (not totally "bright side" but still...) and you're almost guaranteed a solid prospect and perhaps a draft pick. Vancouver isn't going to get a whole lot in return which is what most people expect, but in reality it'll be like:

VAN Trades: Luongo
TOR Trades: Komisarek, Percy, and 3rd Rounder

But hey, it's better than having an overpriced backup!
- OilerFanFromBC

It's really not.
If the Canucks are taking Komisarek, that's not quite enough, and it's not better than starting the season with both Lou and Schneider.

At the very least, with Komi included, the pick needs to be a 2nd rounder, that still probably isn't quite enough.

Gillis won't trade Lou for that.