Or Burke gives a bit more than he wanted and Gillis gets less
- Canada Cup

If there is a deal it will be fair to both sides and most likely multiplayer. The proposed trades and proposed values that both Leaf and Canuck fans have posted on this board have been skewed based on the fan bases hate for each other and each others teams.

Eklund should be banned for posting a troll thread. great for hits though.

Scrivens is great, but one great playoffs isn't enough to raise his stock to the point where he's a better prospect than Lack.

Lack is the 3rd ranked GT prospect in the world behind Markstrom and Holtby. He's been praised by many analysts and ex-NHL goalies as a sure-fire NHL starter.

Scrivens was at 15th, but I would assume he'll jump into the top 10 with his recent success.

Cannata will be up there on that list as soon as the 12/13 AHL season starts, too. He's gonna be a stud.

My post was in response to a TO poster who claimed TO's goalie prospects were better than Van's.
- Fosco

Where are these rankings you speak of?

Its also a little more than "one playoffs". He's been one of the better goalies in the AHL for the better part of the last two seasons.

If there is a deal it will be fair to both sides and most likely multiplayer. The proposed trades and proposed values that both Leaf and Canuck fans have posted on this board have been skewed based on the fan bases hate for each other and each others teams.

Eklund should be banned for posting a troll thread. great for hits though.
- fiveandagame

I hate the deal altogether and wish that Burke would move in another direction, like getting us that number 1 centre. I don't want Loungo on the Leafs, plain and simple. Almost all of our roster is under 30, so where is there room for a 33 year old goalie, that's on the down side of his career? It would make sense if we were contending, but the only thing that we're contending for, is picking 1st in the 2013 entry draft. Luongo would guarentee that we'd be picking in the double digits. It is nothing but a waste of the rebuild, something like signing Martin Gerber for a couple of months.

I hate the deal altogether and wish that Burke would move in another direction, like getting us that number 1 centre. I don't want Loungo on the Leafs, plain and simple. Almost all of our roster is under 30, so where is there room for a 33 year old goalie, that's on the down side of his career? It would make sense if we were contending, but the only thing that we're contending for, is picking 1st in the 2013 entry draft. Luongo would guarentee that we'd be picking in the double digits. It is nothing but a waste of the rebuild, something like signing Martin Gerber for a couple of months.
- PrinceLH

The reason it makes sense is because the Leafs absolutely have to make the playoff this year. Burke is feeling the heat big time. Luongo gives the team a shot at the playoffs this season.

The reason it makes sense is because the Leafs absolutely have to make the playoff this year. Burke is feeling the heat big time. Luongo gives the team a shot at the playoffs this season.
- fiveandagame

It's not about making the playoffs, it's about winning the Stanley Cup, before we hit the golden anniversary of the last one. Loungo does nothing, to get us any closer. It just gets us a couple of playoff dates, MLS&E make an extra 6 million dollars, the CBC makes a few million dollars and the idea of winning the Cup is further away. We don't need this deal. Burke needs to be fired, if he makes this deal and gives away any tangable assets.

Where are these rankings you speak of?

Its also a little more than "one playoffs". He's been one of the better goalies in the AHL for the better part of the last two seasons.
- prock

Goalie Guild was the one I was citing, with Lack at 3, and Scrivens at 15. Hockey Prospectus has Lack at 5, with no mention of Scrivens (as they only list the top 5). Hockeys Future has the entire Canucks GT prospect corps at #4, with the Leafs close behind at #5...

Just to name a few.

Wasn't trying to troll, or rag on Scrivens and the Leafs GT prospects, at all. Just pointing out that the poster who said TO's GT prospects are better than Van's is incorrect

It's not about making the playoffs, it's about winning the Stanley Cup, before we hit the golden anniversary of the last one. Loungo does nothing, to get us any closer. It just gets us a couple of playoff dates, MLS&E make an extra 6 million dollars, the CBC makes a few million dollars and the idea of winning the Cup is further away. We don't need this deal. Burke needs to be fired, if he makes this deal and gives away any tangable assets.
- PrinceLH

If Burkes fails to make the the playoffs he will be fired.

If Burkes fails to make the the playoffs he will be fired.
- fiveandagame

It's his own fault, for over-estimating his roster, every year. A clean sweep of Burke loyalists is what's needed.

If Burkes fails to make the the playoffs he will be fired.
- fiveandagame

Guy has too much pride to make what he knows is a bad deal to keep his job. Either way, both GMs under pressure. Gillis will be roasted if he (frank)s up the Schnieder signing.

I'll use small words for the head injured Leaf fan here. I hope you get better son.

Simply, you can't just say something and hope its true.

There are 25 teams that have a lesser guy in the goal.

Even if you go down to the folks that should be interested, to say NO ONE is just stupid.

So there is a market. He has plenty of value, and if the Leafs want him, they will have to step up, or not.

Go ahead with Reimer as the starter and see how that goes. Or sign Vokoun...in a year the GM needs to succeed or be gone.

Hell, go for a Lindback...he is a good young goalie. Bernier too.

With Timmy taking the year off, its the Leafs that have NO LEVERAGE ( used capitals so you would understand thats important young man ) if they want an ACE veteran goalie that will literally guarantee the playoffs.

Sorry little man.
- vancitydan

of those 25 teams which can afford him.... silly canuck fan

of those 25 teams which can afford him.... silly canuck fan
- Not_Sure42

And which will he agree to go to?

Guy has too much pride to make what he knows is a bad deal to keep his job. Either way, both GMs under pressure. Gillis will be roasted if he (frank)s up the Schnieder signing.
- Canada Cup

I agree. Should be a very interesting off season for both teams

of those 25 teams which can afford him.... silly canuck fan
- Not_Sure42

Loungo is no Ace! He just played behind a superior team.

Loungo is no Ace! He just played behind a superior team.
- PrinceLH

Didn't watch too many Canucks games this season, did you?

Didn't watch too many Canucks games this season, did you?
- Fosco

I watched enough of seeing him flub shots from all angles, into his own net. We can do that more cheaply, by just re-signing Gustavsson.

I watched enough of seeing him flub shots from all angles, into his own net. We can do that more cheaply, by just re-signing Gustavsson.
- PrinceLH

Lu and CS were our MVP's last year.

I honestly believe Canucks give up the most odd man rushes in the NHL... it makes me sick to believe people think our Defense is solid.

I watched enough of seeing him flub shots from all angles, into his own net. We can do that more cheaply, by just re-signing Gustavsson.
- PrinceLH

Luongo an Schneider are the only reason the team won the Presidents

I watched enough of seeing him flub shots from all angles, into his own net. We can do that more cheaply, by just re-signing Gustavsson.
- PrinceLH

So you only watched in October.

The Canucks team defence was brutal this season. Hung the goalies out to dry many times a game, and gave up loads of odd man rushes and breakaways.

As Kneughter, and numerous others have mentioned, the GT's were the Canucks MVP's this season, by a wide margin.

I think it would be a mistake to trade Luongo. They should trade Schneider instead. Lu is a proven number 1 who can play lots of games. Schneider hasn't proven that yet so why take a gamble?

So you only watched in October.

The Canucks team defence was brutal this season. Hung the goalies out to dry many times a game, and gave up loads of odd man rushes and breakaways.

As Kneughter, and numerous others have mentioned, the GT's were the Canucks MVP's this season, by a wide margin.
- Fosco

So when is the rebuild coming? Hopefully not at the expense of the Maple Leafs roster!

I think it would be a mistake to trade Luongo. They should trade Schneider instead. Lu is a proven number 1 who can play lots of games. Schneider hasn't proven that yet so why take a gamble?
- flamminghead

Its a fair point... I think there are 2 things to consider.

1) What is CS going to sign for?
2) What kind of return will we get for Lu?

If CS signs for anything over 4 million... or the most we can get for Lu is poop.. then I would definitely look into trading CS. Those are the only 2 things I would think could lead to CS getting moved.

Luongo an Schneider are the only reason the team won the Presidents
- fiveandagame

I'm sure the All star defense and Forwards and actually good coach had no part in it.

Its a fair point... I think there are 2 things to consider.

1) What is CS going to sign for?
2) What kind of return will we get for Lu?

If CS signs for anything over 4 million... or the most we can get for Lu is poop.. then I would definitely look into trading CS. Those are the only 2 things I would think could lead to CS getting moved.
- kneughter

This is what I don't understand, Loluongo got you to within one win of the cup last year, CS never won a game in the play offs, why would get rid of Lu ?

This is what I don't understand, Loluongo got you to within one win of the cup last year, CS never won a game in the play offs, why would get rid of Lu ?
- Rayven

I dont really get it either... I think Lu is a very capable goalie... this teams window to win is NOW... maybe another 3-4 years... which is almost exactly the time frame that Lu has left of quality level of play.

We also have Lack and Canata in the wings... so it doesnt leave us dry in the goalie prospects department. I have no issue with CS being dealt.. IF the return is much greater than Lu's.

This is what I don't understand, Loluongo got you to within one win of the cup last year, CS never won a game in the play offs, why would get rid of Lu ?
- Rayven

And you can't win game 7 if you don't score a goal.