Would you have said that last year? or the year before that? heck, would you have said that a couple months ago when we were fighting to make the playoffs? Somethings changed, players, coaches, but overall, we stayed the same. all it takes is one thing, a move, a trade, a loss or a win, the right players can get hot, and boom.
- Deadmau55

Maybe not last summer.

But when you add Carter and Richards and get Doughty under contract and then Quick develops into a top 5 goalie in this league... that creates a HUGE gulf.

It was a big diff before, but those 4 are better than every single Leaf. So the talent discrepancy just got ridiculous.

Why can't he be sent down he has a NTC not NMC
- VANTEL

I know. I was agreeing with Kneughter that he *can* be sent down, which does offer the destination team the hope of an actual "out", that is in their control.

... which scares me now, because maybe it means Burke gives up actual assets

I love Lu.. and its hard to say how good he will be in 3-4 years... let alone 6... but I would imagine he can keep that level of play high enough to be worth it.

Its not an ideal situation to send a player down to the minors... but its really not the first time its happened and wont be the last... and even buying out is a possibility as well... but closer to a players retirement... minors is usually the way to go.
- kneughter

I personally don't Like like and wish him well on some other team ,but I think he is a good goalie.I think he has grown up but I still can't stand his slow starts and brain farts .I do him the fact that he is a solid goalie and makes most teams better.That said I still would rather him than Komi straight up.

Maybe not last summer.

But when you add Carter and Richards and get Doughty under contract and then Quick develops into a top 5 goalie in this league... that creates a HUGE gulf.

It was a big diff before, but those 3 are better than every single Leaf. So the talent discrepancy just got ridiculous.
- GoneFullRetard

So you get lou, maybe sign a big ufa, or trade some players, shake things up, and you never know what could happen. You also have a cup winning coach behind the bench

Rub it in?? Ours on the farm are just as good, better even.
- burn

Lack>Scrivens, Rynnas
Cannata>Owuya

Do you guys have any others I don't know of?

I know. I was agreeing with Kneughter that he *can* be sent down, which does offer the destination team the hope of an actual "out", that is in their control.

... which scares me now, because maybe it means Burke gives up actual assets
- GoneFullRetard

Ok too many beer for me haha

Good God
- GoneFullRetard

fixed but still not so good
- The_Vark

We can together...I will always be here for you guys. But I cuddle and like to touch feet, deal with it.

Lack>Scrivens, Rynnas
Cannata>Owuya

Do you guys have any others I don't know of?
- Fosco

Scrivens in the playoffs this year has really shown some serious promise. He may actually be our best "prospect". I am not sure he is ready for the NHL, but he at least offers some hope that there is some decent goaltending in our system.

The others are just guys, who could easily be replaced by other guys.

We can together...I will always be here for you guys. But I cuddle and like to touch feet, deal with it.
- Juice

just don't grab me with your toes. I HATE grabby toes.

There is a young slim tall brunette with Librarian glasses at my work. She is major hot, but she has longish toes that look grabby to me. It skeeves me out.

... if she left her socks on though... then it would be all good.

just don't grab me with your toes. I HATE grabby toes.

There is a young slim tall brunette with Librarian glasses at my work. She is major hot, but she has longish toes that look grabby to me. It skeeves me out.

... if she left her socks on though... then it would be all good.
- GoneFullRetard

We talking full out talons?

I know. I was agreeing with Kneughter that he *can* be sent down, which does offer the destination team the hope of an actual "out", that is in their control.

... which scares me now, because maybe it means Burke gives up actual assets
- GoneFullRetard

Better wait till the new CBA comes out before banking on that one, also on a side note, I hate and so should the leafs or any team and their fans "bury players in the minors" I hear it every year about a leaf player/or whoever on any given team, you don't sign stud players when you do crap like that all the time.

Make more buyout options that go against the cap and let the player go free, don't bury someones career because they were not what "we/you/i" had hoped they would be. Let them bury themselves.

We talking full out talons?
- Canada Cup

dude, her toes are like multi inches long. Even her baby toe is more than an inch.

They are like fcuking prehensile talons.

Better wait till the new CBA comes out before banking on that one, also on a side note, I hate and so should the leafs or any team and their fans "bury players in the minors" I hear it every year about a leaf player/or whoever on any given team, you don't sign stud players when you do crap like that all the time.

Make more buyout options that go against the cap and let the player go free, don't bury someones career because they were not what "we/you/i" had hoped they would be. Let them bury themselves.
- MindFr3eak

I hate it also. The Leafs are not the worst offenders.

It makes me sick that the Rangers escaped the Redden contract. It was the worst in the league.

Better wait till the new CBA comes out before banking on that one, also on a side note, I hate and so should the leafs or any team and their fans "bury players in the minors" I hear it every year about a leaf player/or whoever on any given team, you don't sign stud players when you do crap like that all the time.

Make more buyout options that go against the cap and let the player go free, don't bury someones career because they were not what "we/you/i" had hoped they would be. Let them bury themselves.
- MindFr3eak

I dont know where this is coming from... everything I have heard is that GM's want some sort of out for mistakes they have made with contracts. I think each team wants a 1 time buy out clause where it doesnt go againt the cap. But can only have 1 player at any given time in this category.

They have already addressed these cap circumventing deals before the Kovalchuk contract was signed.

The main concern some owners have is the structure of the how the revenue sharing is done.. I think they will also sort out how 35+ contracts are done.. and bonusing with ELC and in general.

Thats where most of the changes/arguements will be. From what I've read at least.

I hate it also. The Leafs are not the worst offenders.

It makes me sick that the Rangers escaped the Redden contract. It was the worst in the league.
- GoneFullRetard

Guys like redden, finger may not be worth 5 mil when they don't pan out but they are surely worth1-2 mil as a 4th line pairing instead of burying their careers.

We are not the worst and it's not a road anywhere in the future i want the leafs to be the very best at....lol

Better wait till the new CBA comes out before banking on that one, also on a side note, I hate and so should the leafs or any team and their fans "bury players in the minors" I hear it every year about a leaf player/or whoever on any given team, you don't sign stud players when you do crap like that all the time.

Make more buyout options that go against the cap and let the player go free, don't bury someones career because they were not what "we/you/i" had hoped they would be. Let them bury themselves.
- MindFr3eak

There is no reason for the PA to fight to have this removed and the GMs won't necessarily argue for it gone either.

Scrivens in the playoffs this year has really shown some serious promise. He may actually be our best "prospect". I am not sure he is ready for the NHL, but he at least offers some hope that there is some decent goaltending in our system.

The others are just guys, who could easily be replaced by other guys.
- GoneFullRetard

Scrivens is great, but one great playoffs isn't enough to raise his stock to the point where he's a better prospect than Lack.

Lack is the 3rd ranked GT prospect in the world behind Markstrom and Holtby. He's been praised by many analysts and ex-NHL goalies as a sure-fire NHL starter.

Scrivens was at 15th, but I would assume he'll jump into the top 10 with his recent success.

Cannata will be up there on that list as soon as the 12/13 AHL season starts, too. He's gonna be a stud.

My post was in response to a TO poster who claimed TO's goalie prospects were better than Van's.

Scrivens is great, but one great playoffs isn't enough to raise his stock to the point where he's a better prospect than Lack.

Lack is the 3rd ranked GT prospect in the world behind Markstrom and Holtby. He's been praised by many analysts and ex-NHL goalies as a sure-fire NHL starter.

Scrivens was at 15th, but I would assume he'll jump into the top 10 with his recent success.

Cannata will be up there on that list as soon as the 12/13 AHL season starts, too. He's gonna be a stud.

My post was in response to a TO poster who claimed TO's goalie prospects were better than Van's.
- Fosco

I can't really argue since I am wholly unfamiliar with Vancouvers prospects but if that is what is generally out there, then I accept that it is probably true.

I think the biggest question to be asked in regards to the return of Luongo going to Leafs is: Which GM is the most desperate? Burke trying to make the playoffs or Gillis trying to unload Luongo.

Guys like redden, finger may not be worth 5 mil when they don't pan out but they are surely worth1-2 mil as a 4th line pairing instead of burying their careers.

We are not the worst and it's not a road anywhere in the future i want the leafs to be the very best at....lol
- MindFr3eak

agree.

In fact, I LOVED the salary cap because I didn't want the Leafs to one day win because they spent more than everyone else.

I prefer a level playing field.

I think the biggest question to be asked in regards to the return of Luongo going to Leafs is: Which GM is the most desperate? Burke trying to make the playoffs or Gillis trying to unload Luongo.
- fiveandagame

and whether or not they can ultimately find any middle groud compromise. I doubt one will allow the other to bend him over in a deal.

and whether or not they can ultimately find any middle groud compromise. I doubt one will allow the other to bend him over in a deal.
- GoneFullRetard

Which is why at the end of the day it won't even happen.

Which is why at the end of the day it won't even happen.
- fiveandagame

Or Burke gives a bit more than he wanted and Gillis gets less

I dont know where this is coming from... everything I have heard is that GM's want some sort of out for mistakes they have made with contracts. I think each team wants a 1 time buy out clause where it doesnt go againt the cap. But can only have 1 player at any given time in this category.

They have already addressed these cap circumventing deals before the Kovalchuk contract was signed.

The main concern some owners have is the structure of the how the revenue sharing is done.. I think they will also sort out how 35+ contracts are done.. and bonusing with ELC and in general.

Thats where most of the changes/arguements will be. From what I've read at least.
- kneughter

Alot of teams make more than a single mistake, for argument sakes the leafs, connoly, lombardi, komi, I think the scratch one big contract would be for as you said if a kovalchuck, parise, suter dipietro or other contract someone signed just to get the high end talent didnt work out they could scratch the major club killer contract off their books.

We are allowed what right now 2 buyouts every 3 years? I don't quite remember I am sure someone here can chime in on that that knows the particulars better than i do.

I think if they allowed 2 Buyouts a year up to xxx against the cap at a % of their salaries and released the player back to the ufa pool it would work out a little better than burying a mid level player that could be a really good 4th line defender in the nhl.

Maybe this is not the answer but there is one out there for club and players.

I think the biggest question to be asked in regards to the return of Luongo going to Leafs is: Which GM is the most desperate? Burke trying to make the playoffs or Gillis trying to unload Luongo.
- fiveandagame

I think this is what is scaring the fans of both franchises because neither of us is so sure standing on the outside looking in.