He probably meant it because he wants more high draft picks. There isn't a leafs fan out there actually wants to miss the playoffs, but it's the only way to get this ridiculous franchise to draft properly...even that is a challenge.
- Juice

Sadly that is the truth.

I somehow suspect that they could screw up #1 anyway.

Here's your warning.

Drop the smart ass remarks. Drop the trolling and drop the "they don't understand, they're xxx fans".

Next bit of trolling I will begin the fun part of wearing stripes. That includes posting anything trollish, even if your name and avatar are trolling.
- Juice

Sweet I thought I would see alot of things on HB but never a Zebra!!!!!!!!!

2 soon?

Luo waives to go to Toronto (AN EXAMPLE LOL)

Toronto if in Luo's contract has the option of wiping away the NTC completely.

This happened when Jeff Carter was dealt to Columbus from LA

Edit: From Philly sorry
- cor99

I don't think its an option, i think it's the reality. if you waive your NTC you lose tat protection going forward - see Heatley.

He probably meant it because he wants more high draft picks. There isn't a leafs fan out there actually wants to miss the playoffs, but it's the only way to get this ridiculous franchise to draft properly...even that is a challenge.
- Juice

Believe it or not... I dont HATE the leafs... I don't like some of the fans/posters... but I do understand that every group has that bad batch (canucks no exception)... it gets worse and worse when the fanbase is big... increases the chances.

I think the leafs with a capable goalie (Lu) and a Parise type player... they are easily a playoff team... and possibly in a position to make some noise.

Thats my personal opinion... because I saw some offensive dominence this year... their undoing is usually some injury issues.. and goaltending cannot manage to stay consistent.

Only a handful of goalies can continually put up solid numbers over a course of a full season.. over many years.. on a consistent basis. Lu, Kipper, Thomas (last few years), Backstrom, Rinne and Henrik seem to be the only goalies you can really back on... year in and year out to have great numbers. Each year has a batch of a few guys who end up being a one hit wonder. Whether people want to admit it or not... Lu is an elite goalie... who in 6 years can be sent to the minors and eliminate that 5.3 million cap hit and can go with another option. The problem isn't his contract.. cap hit is good and will become even better when the cap goes up and the term might as well be 6 years as the last 3/4 years wont matter. The real issue is the fact that only maybe 4 or 5 teams really need a goalie who Gillis would be willing to deal with.. and then out of those 4 or 5 teams.. which team will Lu waved to go to?... it makes things a bit more difficult... but does not mean Gillis has to get owned in a trade in order to get rid of him. Canucks CAN afford to keep him another year IF it comes to that. There are a few different options Gillis has in order to get the best deal possible... and that includes potentially dealing CS.

Are you sure ? In that case if Lu is asked to drop his NTC why would it go with him if he has already dropped it.
- VANTEL

I would like an answer to this also...

The only thing I can think of to compare is Heatley, I think his NTC did not move with him to SJ.

But maybe it is all in how the contract is worded? I have no idea really.

I thought it did not travel, but maybe it does.

The CBA is full of crap like this, which is why it got exploited so badly in the first place.

Luo waives to go to Toronto (AN EXAMPLE LOL)

Toronto if in Luo's contract has the option of wiping away the NTC completely.

This happened when Jeff Carter was dealt to Columbus from LA

Edit: From Philly sorry
- cor99

That makes sense. I would think once a player decides to waive his NTC the first time I think he should lose the power over the clause.

Sadly that is the truth.

I somehow suspect that they could screw up #1 anyway.
- GoneFullRetard

With the first overall pick, the Leafs are proud to select...... Jacob Trouba

Me:

I can really feel the love in here.

Precisely why I haven't been here for awhile, yet you've been here every day. I have nothing better to do.

You know juice, part of being a ref is being impartial. It's not like we're coming into a Leafs thread and bashing, or vice versa. If you want to point out my trolling, perhaps you should do the same for Leaf fans.
- golfingsince

TELL. THAT. TO. MIKAH555!!!

At least Juice will provide MORE THAN FAIR warning and is willing to let a lot of the petty things slide. In fact, he has been more than fair with you here today considering some of the bullsh!t you've posted, let alone your user name and avatar.

Just to give you an idea of how petty Mikah555 can be, after the Canucks lost to the Kings in the first round I posted a " ," no words just a " " and I got 3 (frank)in' days FOR THAT!

I would like an answer to this also...

The only thing I can think of to compare is Heatley, I think his NTC did not move with him to SJ.

But maybe it is all in how the contract is worded? I have no idea really.

I thought it did not travel, but maybe it does.

The CBA is full of crap like this, which is why it got exploited so badly in the first place.
- GoneFullRetard

It says in Cap Geek it may not follow with the trade.If you click on LUongos NTC lock it says that.

I can really feel the love in here.
- robin_steele264

But can you feel it in the air tonight?

I would like an answer to this also...

The only thing I can think of to compare is Heatley, I think his NTC did not move with him to SJ.

But maybe it is all in how the contract is worded? I have no idea really.

I thought it did not travel, but maybe it does.

The CBA is full of crap like this, which is why it got exploited so badly in the first place.
- GoneFullRetard

It doesn't.... you waive it and you lose it going forward.

That makes sense. I would think once a player decides to waive his NTC the first time I think he should lose the power over the clause.
- VANTEL

well then really whats the point in having a ntc if it only works once? The player usually has a ntc so he can more or less decide where he does or does not want to go, but if it only works once, then it was pointless in the first place because the player ends up in a place he doesn't want to be.

I can really feel the love in here.
- robin_steele264

Ban on aisle 5. Can we get a ban here please?

Believe it or not... I dont HATE the leafs... I don't like some of the fans/posters... but I do understand that every group has that bad batch (canucks no exception)... it gets worse and worse when the fanbase is big... increases the chances.

I think the leafs with a capable goalie (Lu) and a Parise type player... they are easily a playoff team... and possibly in a position to make some noise.

Thats my personal opinion... because I saw some offensive dominence this year... their undoing is usually some injury issues.. and goaltending cannot manage to stay consistent.

Only a handful of goalies can continually put up solid numbers over a course of a full season.. over many years.. on a consistent basis. Lu, Kipper, Thomas (last few years), Backstrom, Rinne and Henrik seem to be the only goalies you can really back on... year in and year out to have great numbers. Each year has a batch of a few guys who end up being a one hit wonder. Whether people want to admit it or not... Lu is an elite goalie... who in 6 years can be sent to the minors and eliminate that 5.3 million cap hit and can go with another option. The problem isn't his contract.. cap hit is good and will become even better when the cap goes up and the term might as well be 6 years as the last 3/4 years wont matter. The real issue is the fact that only maybe 4 or 5 teams really need a goalie who Gillis would be willing to deal with.. and then out of those 4 or 5 teams.. which team will Lu waved to go to?... it makes things a bit more difficult... but does not mean Gillis has to get owned in a trade in order to get rid of him. Canucks CAN afford to keep him another year IF it comes to that. There are a few different options Gillis has in order to get the best deal possible... and that includes potentially dealing CS.
- kneughter

Kneughter, you are basing your arguements on things you don't know, like 1) the salary below cap hit will be attactive to teams reaching the floor. Uh, not necessarily. 2) The last 3 or 4 years won't matter... what makes you think he definitely decided to walk away from 6 million + (last 4 years I think).

You *may* be right, but it is not something that someone should count on. Counting on these things being true would be risky, if not irresponsible.

Believe it or not... I dont HATE the leafs... I don't like some of the fans/posters... but I do understand that every group has that bad batch (canucks no exception)... it gets worse and worse when the fanbase is big... increases the chances.

I think the leafs with a capable goalie (Lu) and a Parise type player... they are easily a playoff team... and possibly in a position to make some noise.

Thats my personal opinion... because I saw some offensive dominence this year... their undoing is usually some injury issues.. and goaltending cannot manage to stay consistent.

Only a handful of goalies can continually put up solid numbers over a course of a full season.. over many years.. on a consistent basis. Lu, Kipper, Thomas (last few years), Backstrom, Rinne and Henrik seem to be the only goalies you can really back on... year in and year out to have great numbers. Each year has a batch of a few guys who end up being a one hit wonder. Whether people want to admit it or not... Lu is an elite goalie... who in 6 years can be sent to the minors and eliminate that 5.3 million cap hit and can go with another option. The problem isn't his contract.. cap hit is good and will become even better when the cap goes up and the term might as well be 6 years as the last 3/4 years wont matter. The real issue is the fact that only maybe 4 or 5 teams really need a goalie who Gillis would be willing to deal with.. and then out of those 4 or 5 teams.. which team will Lu waved to go to?... it makes things a bit more difficult... but does not mean Gillis has to get owned in a trade in order to get rid of him. Canucks CAN afford to keep him another year IF it comes to that. There are a few different options Gillis has in order to get the best deal possible... and that includes potentially dealing CS.
- kneughter

i don't think anyone thinks lou's a bad goalie.... it just the contract leaf fans don't want

Precisely why I haven't been here for awhile, yet you've been here every day. I have nothing better to do.

You know juice, part of being a ref is being impartial. It's not like we're coming into a Leafs thread and bashing, or vice versa. If you want to point out my trolling, perhaps you should do the same for Leaf fans.
- golfingsince

By "awhile" do you mean May 28th?

It says in Cap Geek it may not follow with the trade.If you click on LUongos NTC lock it says that.
- VANTEL

"may" as is "maybe"?

That would be strange. Maybe as part of the trade negotiations the destination team works it out with his agent that the NTC is carried forward??

Well done, i'm done with this place. Congrats to you, for being a homer. Go ahead delete this post, give me an IP ban, do whatever you please.
- golfingsince

Nope, just think its pathetic that you base your time on here around trolling.

i don't think anyone thinks lou's a bad goalie.... it just the contract leaf fans don't want
- The_Vark

I wish people could see that.

If the deal was 3 or 4 years, I would be all over offering a good return.

The problems is that it is 10 years, until he is 43, and, despite what gets posted around here there are no "outs" and no guarantees whatsoever that he leaves the last few years on the table and retires.

Sadly that is the truth.

I somehow suspect that they could screw up #1 anyway.
- GoneFullRetard

I can't argue that.

Kneughter, you are basing your arguements on things you don't know, like 1) the salary below cap hit will be attactive to teams reaching the floor. Uh, not necessarily. the last 3 or 4 years won't matter... what makes you think he definitely decided to walk away from 6 million + (last 4 years I think).

You *may* be right, but it is not something that someone should count on. Counting on these things being true would be risky, if not irresponsible.
- GoneFullRetard

I bet Gillis is selling that he's made a side deal with Lou that he wont fulfill the last 4 years of the deal and it's really only a 6 year deal to all the potential suiters. I mean I can't see there being anything wrong with that can you. I don't think the NHL would mind at all if he was openly admitting to making that deal structured that way on purpose knowing he wont last all 10. THE NHL would be fine with that, right.

i don't think anyone thinks lou's a bad goalie.... it just the contract leaf fans don't want
- The_Vark

And it's komiserik that canucks fans ( Contract and suckyness) don't want. See now that we are communicating we feel each others problems, I feel like we are in therapy. We both don't want there contracts so lets just not make a trade end of story ( I wish I was gm)

i don't think anyone thinks lou's a bad goalie.... it just the contract leaf fans don't want
- The_Vark

Yeah well, think that won't be a big issue when the leafs make the playoffs for years.

Well done, i'm done with this place. Congrats to you, for being a homer. Go ahead delete this post, give me an IP ban, do whatever you please.
- golfingsince

you sound like such a little female dog