Did gillis change his number to 1-800-GOT-JUNK?
- PatsLeafs

He might as well....

They have already gone without them... since before the Kovalchuk signing. When it was first turned down by the league.

Why do you have to hope he doesn't want to play the last 3 years? if he does... send him down to the minors... problem solved.
- kneughter

Yes there are lots of things that can be done. They just diminish Lu's trade value. I think that's the only real point here. Good/very good goalie who wants out and can control where he goes. Not the best negotiating position.

This is what people are failing to realize... the only thing that puts Gillis in a bit more a difficult position is the fact that Lu has to agree to go to that particular team... its not his contract thats the problem.

I believe thats the only real issue that limits the value of this trade... but even so... I imagine the return will be much better than many TO fans are stating.. and much worse than some Van fans are saying.
- kneughter

Exactly. Luongo's cap hit isn't that bad, it's length of the deal. I expect vancouver will have to take some cash back in this deal.

No $hit you'd be good with that! Gillis gets that offer, take it, run and bring extra underwear to clean the jizz.

But YOU WILL NOT GET THAT KIND OF OFFER. Get. It. Through. Your. Head.
- Phenom

Why not? Malone is overpaid... 4.5 million... and hasnt put up the production they have wanted. Hes a solid player.. but not worth 4.5 million.

Lu instantly makes them a top 5 team in the east... thats how bad their goaltending was last year. The reason why they went from making the eastern conference final to not making the playoffs.

Lu gives much more value to tampa than ryan malone gives to Van... late 1st... early 2nd... is a fair add on.

Still better than the two alternatives:

1. Trade Schneider for a good return, keep Lu and ride out his contract.
(I don't think Gillis wants this)

2. Keep both and invest $10 million into your goaltending.
(Not exactly ideal)
- Phenom

What could we offer for Schneider?

I agree 100 percent... not many Canucks fans are saying Lu will get Gardiner, Schenn and the 5th overall (although I know it has been said).. most level headed fans know the value won't be as good as it SHOULD be. But to say Komi and a 2nd for Lu is beyond ridiculous.

The deal will be a fair deal for both sides... whatever it ends up being. I wouldn't be shocked if it was something like Lu and our 1st for Schenn and Armstrong. That seems reasonable for both sides.
- kneughter

That's actually something I can see happening. But I'm inclined to think it would be something like:

Luongo for Komi, mid-level prospect, 5th/6th rounder.

OR (If the Leafs acquire a forward, either through drafting or trade)

Luongo for Connolly/Armstrong + prospect/pick.

Yes there are lots of things that can be done. They just diminish Lu's trade value. I think that's the only real point here. Good/very good goalie who wants out and can control where he goes. Not the best negotiating position.
- Canada Cup

He may want out.. because he wants to be a starter not a back up. But Van doesn't have to trade him.. theres no bad blood here. CS is still a possible trading piece as well... Gillis has much more trading strength than people are giving credit.

Lu didn't come out and state he wanted out and would refuse to come to training camp if he didn't... if he did say that... then I would agree with you 100 percent. But he did not.

Its no secret Lu wants to be a starter.. and if thats not going to be the case in Van then he would be more than happy to start somewhere else.

But you have to wonder what's going on in Lu's head. I mean, he has had to deal with the brunt of the fans who blame him for the performance of a whole team when he actually played pretty good.

Remeber, Daniel was out, Kesler was injured(needs surgery) and Quick was playing on his head.

I think Lu's at the point where he sees the future in VAN and it doesn't include him, the city's not emotionally invested in him anymore, and perhaps he needs a change in order to inspire him.

I don't think he'd accept a trade to TOR unless he felt he could handle it. Maybe he just wants a new challenge. And Surely he must have faith that Nonis and BB are putting together something decent in front of him
- AngryWhiteMale

I dont think it was goaltending that did the canucks in....AV wanted to see how CS would fair..the canucks were already down 2 games...even the critics said it wasnt the goaltending that brought the team down.. I like LUO & Schnieds...tandem

Brodeur's won multiple Stanley Cups, and is arguably the greatest goaltender of all time, there's a difference between the two - if there wasn't you guys wouldn't be in such a rush to unload Luongo
- Nastradamus

Brodeur was pulled in favor of Luongo at the Olympics 2 years ago. So at this point Luongo should be considered better for at least the last 3 years. Brodeur is in the Stanley Cup final now and playing another year. But it was the Devils system that helping him win those cups giving him a large boost in career numbers. Don't forget that. If you put a goalie like Hasek, Cujo, Belfour, and yes even Luongo on those teams, how many cups could they have won. Brodeur is a HHOF goalie, I am just saying that playing for lemaire def helped his case.

Why not? Malone is overpaid... 4.5 million... and hasnt put up the production they have wanted. Hes a solid player.. but not worth 4.5 million.

Lu instantly makes them a top 5 team in the east... thats how bad their goaltending was last year. The reason why they went from making the eastern conference final to not making the playoffs.

Lu gives much more value to tampa than ryan malone gives to Van... late 1st... early 2nd... is a fair add on.
- kneughter

that's not true. it certainly makes them a playoff team but the east is dominated by the atlantic. Boston and Ottawa will both be playoff teams for a while.

Exactly. Luongo's cap hit isn't that bad, it's length of the deal. I expect vancouver will have to take some cash back in this deal.
- tomburton99

I think Gillis is willing to take a ONE year deal back that he has to bury in the minors, he did it will Lukowich and Reinprecht. You're not going to see him accept salary back that has to stay in the NHL, defeats the purpose of trading him.

If you're gonna send a very good player away with a bad contract to turn around and take a bad player back (Komisarek) with a bad contract, you've done absolutely nothing to help your situation. Saved what 800K in cap space and lost a good player in the process, he just won't do that...plain and simple.

That's actually something I can see happening. But I'm inclined to think it would be something like:

Luongo for Komi, mid-level prospect, 5th/6th rounder.

OR (If the Leafs acquire a forward, either through drafting or trade)

Luongo for Connolly/Armstrong + prospect/pick.
- Phenom

Canucks are not taking Komi... they already have a guy making 4.2 million playing 6th/7th position... Having a bottom pairing of 2 guys making 9 million combined makes no sense.

Lu for Armstrong + 2nd works I guess... I really don't know whats going to happen... I dont even think TO is the team to get him.

That's actually something I can see happening. But I'm inclined to think it would be something like:

Luongo for Komi, mid-level prospect, 5th/6th rounder.

OR (If the Leafs acquire a forward, either through drafting or trade)

Luongo for Connolly/Armstrong + prospect/pick.
- Phenom

those are both poop deals. komi and connolly hold no value at all.

What could we offer for Schneider?
- PatsLeafs

5th overall + Gillis is asking the moon for him!

He may want out.. because he wants to be a starter not a back up. But Van doesn't have to trade him.. theres no bad blood here. CS is still a possible trading piece as well... Gillis has much more trading strength than people are giving credit.

Lu didn't come out and state he wanted out and would refuse to come to training camp if he didn't... if he did say that... then I would agree with you 100 percent. But he did not.

Its no secret Lu wants to be a starter.. and if thats not going to be the case in Van then he would be more than happy to start somewhere else.
- kneughter

Come on, he pretty much did say that. Luongo's a classy guy, he's not going to (frank) the team over like that, it's delusional to think that Gillis isn't trying to move the guy. Plus the coach coach clearly lost faith in him.

that's not true. it certainly makes them a playoff team but the east is dominated by the atlantic. Boston and Ottawa will both be playoff teams for a while.
- tomburton99

I dont think its hard to believe that with a top 5/10 goalie... that it wouldn't be..
1)NYR 2)Boston 3)Pitts 4)Philly 5) Tampa

Especially if tampa makes a move for a guy like wideman and jackman. A couple FA tweeks along with acquiring Lu and its very easy to see them as a top 5 team in the east.

I think Gillis is willing to take a ONE year deal back that he has to bury in the minors, he did it will Lukowich and Reinprecht. You're not going to see him accept salary back that has to stay in the NHL, defeats the purpose of trading him.

If you're gonna send a very good player away with a bad contract to turn around and take a bad player back (Komisarek) with a bad contract, you've done absolutely nothing to help your situation. Saved what 800K in cap space and lost a good player in the process, he just won't do that...plain and simple.
- LeftCoaster

i was thinking a better talent with more years on the deal. komi sucks, he's untradeable.

What could we offer for Schneider?
- PatsLeafs

Honestly, I don't know. That's a whole other ball game. It depends on what Gillis and Burke feel his value is and how good he COULD be....because he has not been a starter in this league yet. His potential is huge though. It would be a helluva lot more than what we would give for Luongo. Schenn would be a given....but only a starting point. From there.....depends what needs have to be addressed for each team.

Come on, he pretty much did say that. Luongo's a classy guy, he's not going to (frank) the team over like that, it's delusional to think that Gillis isn't trying to move the guy. Plus the coach coach clearly lost faith in him.
- Nastradamus

Hes no tim thomas....

But he said if the team went a different direction he would accept a trade... I'm positive Gillis is shopping him.. and there is probably a 90 percent chance that come October Lu is gone.

But if the only deal out there is Komi and a 2nd/3rd... then Gillis will hold onto him... and he better hold onto him if thats the case.

the cap hit, the asset (even if only a 6th rounder) are factors. but one I don't think you factor in is that teams want the nucks saddled with this problem. that also ways in. agree to disagree. question though... would you being one of those teams listed above trade a 6th for paul martin and his similer 5 mil contract hit? I doubt the pens will find a taker. just like a doubt the nucks qill find a taker
- ChrisMS

The teams that I listed are far from contenders, so I think they would worry about their own situation before they would even give a thought to trying to mess with Van's problems.

And I think a few of them would take a flyer on Martin. That's how valuable veteran D are in today's NHL.

That being said, Ballard and Martin aren't the best comparison. Ballard is a physical offensive D, who makes 800,000 less than Martin a season, for the same term, whereas Martin is a defensive D. It depends what each team needs.

At the very worst, van throws in a 2013 4th-6th rounder to sweeten the pot. Veteran D are a commodity, and Ballard could still be worth it for a team who needs just that, especially when the cost is low.

Offer sheets anyone? Notable RFA's

F Tyler Ennis
F Evander Kane

D Dmitri Kulikov
D P.K. Subban
D Michael Del Zotto
D Keith Aulie
D Erik Karlsson

G Carey Price
G Tuukka Rask

F Michael Backlund
F Matt Duchene
F Steve Downie
F Peter Mueller
F Ryan O'Reilly
F Jared Boll
F Sam Ganger
F T.J. Oshie
F Mason Raymond

D Shea Weber
D Erik Johnson

G Andres Lindback
G Cory Schiender

Compensation for Signing a NHL Restricted Free Agent

$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks

i was thinking a better talent with more years on the deal. komi sucks, he's untradeable.
- tomburton99

I could see him taking Lombardi back as he has only one year left on his deal.

I think Gillis is willing to take a ONE year deal back that he has to bury in the minors, he did it will Lukowich and Reinprecht. You're not going to see him accept salary back that has to stay in the NHL, defeats the purpose of trading him.

If you're gonna send a very good player away with a bad contract to turn around and take a bad player back (Komisarek) with a bad contract, you've done absolutely nothing to help your situation. Saved what 800K in cap space and lost a good player in the process, he just won't do that...plain and simple.
- LeftCoaster

Are you sure? It defeats the purpose of trading a 33-year-old with 10 years left on his deal at a $5.3 million cap hit for a player with 1 or 2 years left on his deal at a $4.5 million cap hit. That's what you're saying?

I could see him taking Lombardi back as he has only one year left on his deal.
- LeftCoaster

he's probably not going to the leafs. leafs don't have much to offer.

he's probably not going to the leafs. leafs don't have much to offer.
- tomburton99

Missing the point Tom