No worries, it happens.

His cap hit doesn't fit his role the last few seasons, but he has also been used improperly. Ballard could likely step into the top4 of Edm, NYI, Anh, Clb, Car, TB, just off the top of my head.

With the price for veteran offensive-minded D, many of those teams would take the cap-hit and give up a 6th rounder for Ballard.
- Fosco

the cap hit, the asset (even if only a 6th rounder) are factors. but one I don't think you factor in is that teams want the nucks saddled with this problem. that also ways in. agree to disagree. question though... would you being one of those teams listed above trade a 6th for paul martin and his similer 5 mil contract hit? I doubt the pens will find a taker. just like a doubt the nucks qill find a taker

Rask was a move made by a dumbass GM who wasn't willing to wait and see which one of Pogge or Rask would work out.

As far as the Kessel trade is concerned, at least we got SOMETHING out of that trade. And for what it's worth, while I was more into giving Kadri and Kaberle from for Kessel from the start, I honestly didn't think we were THAT bad. Yes, I thought two top 10s would result from that deal, but I seriously didn't think we were gonna be that terrible from the start
- AngryWhiteMale

If we offer sheeted Kessel we could have had him for less, Burke negotiated himself into paying more. But yea Rask wasn't Burke's move. JFJ actually had a pretty solid eye for talent too bad he couldn't manage

If TO gets Lu.. I guarantee he gets them into the playoffs. http://www.quanthockey.co...easons-goalies-stats.html
Look at that statistical consistency... he is a fantastic goalie... top 10 in the league for sure... possibly top 5 if you use stats. Don't listen to idiots in here who want to undervalue you.
- kneughter

there's a difference between actual value and market value, too bad for luongo, as great a goalie as he is, those two don't measure up. He has to be traded for drastically less than he's worth, just the istuation that the Canucks are in - same deal for Nash

right.


Take away a bunch of goals allowed for the Leafs, and add a bunch against the Oilers, and you're point stands.
- robin_steele264

It's called subjectivity

google it

It's called subjectivity

google it
- AngryWhiteMale

Well when you look at it subjectively, the Oilers were better than the Leafs at keeping the puck out of the net this year.

If TO gets Lu.. I guarantee he gets them into the playoffs. http://www.quanthockey.co...easons-goalies-stats.html
Look at that statistical consistency... he is a fantastic goalie... top 10 in the league for sure... possibly top 5 if you use stats. Don't listen to idiots in here who want to undervalue you.
- kneughter

That's the main reason why I'm ok giving up next year's first for LU

We get to pick 5th this year

We get a tender that vitually guarantees we fiinish high enough to get that pick out of the top half of the league.

I say if we get LU on draft day, see if we can package Reimer along with our 5th to CBJ to get into 2nd...then draft Forseberg

Yzermans red wings school of thought only works if u r defence has a Elite Dman..Redwings always had those...Bolts dont have any..... id rather get Vinny than Komaserik

That's the main reason why I'm ok giving up next year's first for LU

We get to pick 5th this year

We get a tender that vitually guarantees we fiinish high enough to get that pick out of the top half of the league.

I say if we get LU on draft day, see if we can package Reimer along with our 5th to CBJ to get into 2nd...then draft Forseberg
- AngryWhiteMale

That's the main reason why I'm ok giving up next year's first for LU

We get to pick 5th this year

We get a tender that vitually guarantees we fiinish high enough to get that pick out of the top half of the league.

I say if we get LU on draft day, see if we can package Reimer along with our 5th to CBJ to get into 2nd...then draft Forseberg
- AngryWhiteMale

Damn I would hate if that happened. The shakiest player proposed to go in the top five, along with moving the goaltending prospect we've been grooming for what 6-7 years? Plus Burke's been on record saying Reimer is the goalie of the future for this team, so I seriously don't see it happening

That's the main reason why I'm ok giving up next year's first for LU

We get to pick 5th this year

We get a tender that vitually guarantees we fiinish high enough to get that pick out of the top half of the league.

I say if we get LU on draft day, see if we can package Reimer along with our 5th to CBJ to get into 2nd...then draft Forseberg
- AngryWhiteMale

If we move up to 2nd it would be to get Galchenyuk

there's a difference between actual value and market value, too bad for luongo, as great a goalie as he is, those two don't measure up. He has to be traded for drastically less than he's worth, just the istuation that the Canucks are in - same deal for Nash
- Nastradamus

Why do people here think van is so desperate.... if they sign CS to a deal of 2 years at 3.5 million and tell schneider that Lu will be dealt when the right deal comes along.. whether its at the draft... the start of the season or the TD.

Its not "ideal" but its definitely doable.. look at Nashville... they will pretty much be spending the same amount on their goalie tandem no matter who is backing up.

They can do games... 50 for CS... 30 for Lu... maybe split em to start the year... I'm sure they will figure it out... especially if the cap goes up to 68-70 million... it wont be a problem at all.

AV is a big mouth and has said things out of context many times..... if they sat down with Lu and told him they want CS to be the guy going forward then yes... he probably would rather play else where. But he will be more than happy to come back this year and will no doubt be a professional about it. This deal doesnt HAVE to be made in the next couple months... they got time.. and I'm sure have a few teams interested. Apparently Nonis was asked who the best goalie in the NHL was... and he said Luongo... which makes sense considering he brought him here.

That's the main reason why I'm ok giving up next year's first for LU

We get to pick 5th this year

We get a tender that vitually guarantees we fiinish high enough to get that pick out of the top half of the league.

I say if we get LU on draft day, see if we can package Reimer along with our 5th to CBJ to get into 2nd...then draft Forseberg
- AngryWhiteMale

Galchenyuk

Why do people here think van is so desperate.... if they sign CS to a deal of 2 years at 3.5 million and tell schneider that Lu will be dealt when the right deal comes along.. whether its at the draft... the start of the season or the TD.

Its not "ideal" but its definitely doable.. look at Nashville... they will pretty much be spending the same amount on their goalie tandem no matter who is backing up.

They can do games... 50 for CS... 30 for Lu... maybe split em to start the year... I'm sure they will figure it out... especially if the cap goes up to 68-70 million... it wont be a problem at all.

AV is a big mouth and has said things out of context many times..... if they sat down with Lu and told him they want CS to be the guy going forward then yes... he probably would rather play else where. But he will be more than happy to come back this year and will no doubt be a professional about it. This deal doesnt HAVE to be made in the next couple months... they got time.. and I'm sure have a few teams interested. Apparently Nonis was asked who the best goalie in the NHL was... and he said Luongo... which makes sense considering he brought him here.
- kneughter

because teams that want a quality goalie can offer cory a 5 year 4.7 mil and only lose a 1st and 3rd, or even 5 year 6mil and lose 1,2,3 picks. no way cs accepts 3.5 for 2 when the market will be much higher.

Damn I would hate if that happened. The shakiest player proposed to go in the top five, along with moving the goaltending prospect we've been grooming for what 6-7 years? Plus Burke's been on record saying Reimer is the goalie of the future for this team, so I seriously don't see it happening
- Nastradamus

Grigorenko is shaky due to character. I'll forgive his playoff numbers because of mono but he was inconsistent during the season and may not be able to handle TOR Forsberg had enough character top play with grown men at age 17

Galychenyuk just had major reconstructive knee surgery. So he may be the caliber we need, but he's still a major question mark

I say go with the Swedes.

Damn I would hate if that happened. The shakiest player proposed to go in the top five, along with moving the goaltending prospect we've been grooming for what 6-7 years? Plus Burke's been on record saying Reimer is the goalie of the future for this team, so I seriously don't see it happening
- Nastradamus

That was long before Luongo became available

Why do people here think van is so desperate.... if they sign CS to a deal of 2 years at 3.5 million and tell schneider that Lu will be dealt when the right deal comes along.. whether its at the draft... the start of the season or the TD.

Its not "ideal" but its definitely doable.. look at Nashville... they will pretty much be spending the same amount on their goalie tandem no matter who is backing up.

They can do games... 50 for CS... 30 for Lu... maybe split em to start the year... I'm sure they will figure it out... especially if the cap goes up to 68-70 million... it wont be a problem at all.

AV is a big mouth and has said things out of context many times..... if they sat down with Lu and told him they want CS to be the guy going forward then yes... he probably would rather play else where. But he will be more than happy to come back this year and will no doubt be a professional about it. This deal doesnt HAVE to be made in the next couple months... they got time.. and I'm sure have a few teams interested. Apparently Nonis was asked who the best goalie in the NHL was... and he said Luongo... which makes sense considering he brought him here.
- kneughter

It does make sense, but a few cup attempts later, that judgement call can seriously be questioned.

Do you honestly think that the Canucks will have Roberto Luongo back up Cory Schneider for any extended period of time? It would be a PR nightmare to do that, especially when Luongo is as capable as he is. If he's going to be moved, he has to be moved soon, and since Luongo's already pretty much asked for a trade, he will be moved.

Same thing as Nash, you can tell Howsen is trying to do damage control by making it seem like he doesnt HAVE to trade Nash, but that's ridiculously far from the truth

That was long before Luongo became available
- AngryWhiteMale

Nope not true, he's been on record before and after he 'became available'

Also how can a 33 year old goaltender be our 'goalie of the future'

Yeah, because a 6th rounder is an unreasonable return for a top4 D

Not to mention a valid comparison to what the Oilers expectations are on a return for the 1st overall...
- Fosco

I thought you were talking about Ballard?

You'll probably see a multi-player deal with Luongo, Gillis has said we need to change things around here. Maybe he can do it all in one shot?

To Columbus; Luongo, Edler and Booth (13 mil approx)

To Vancouver; Johnson, Nash and the 29th and 30th picks. (12 mil approx)

Everyones happy!!

Grigorenko is shaky due to character. I'll forgive his playoff numbers because of mono but he was inconsistent during the season and may not be able to handle TOR Forsberg had enough character top play with grown men at age 17

Galychenyuk just had major reconstructive knee surgery. So he may be the caliber we need, but he's still a major question mark

I say go with the Swedes.
- AngryWhiteMale

Just because he's swedish and because he played 'amongst men', it isn't enough justification to take him. Just based on personality and stature, I'd take Gal over the other two in a heartbeat

because teams that want a quality goalie can offer cory a 5 year 4.7 mil and only lose a 1st and 3rd, or even 5 year 6mil and lose 1,2,3 picks. no way cs accepts 3.5 for 2 when the market will be much higher.
- ChrisMS

Gillis will have Cory signed before the Draft...for how much..waits to be seen

Galchenyuk
- Leaffan8113

You'll probably see a multi-player deal with Luongo, Gillis has said we need to change things around here. Maybe he can do it all in one shot?

To Columbus; Luongo, Edler and Booth (13 mil approx)

To Vancouver; Johnson, Nash and the 29th and 30th picks. (12 mil approx)

Everyones happy!!
- LeftCoaster

aaron johnson? certainly not J johnson, other wise it would be absurd

It does make sense, but a few cup attempts later, that judgement call can seriously be questioned.

Do you honestly think that the Canucks will have Roberto Luongo back up Cory Schneider for any extended period of time? It would be a PR nightmare to do that, especially when Luongo is as capable as he is. If he's going to be moved, he has to be moved soon, and since Luongo's already pretty much asked for a trade, he will be moved.

Same thing as Nash, you can tell Howsen is trying to do damage control by making it seem like he doesnt HAVE to trade Nash, but that's ridiculously far from the truth
- Nastradamus

Boston had Tim Thomas backing up Rask two years ago, why not?

because teams that want a quality goalie can offer cory a 5 year 4.7 mil and only lose a 1st and 3rd, or even 5 year 6mil and lose 1,2,3 picks. no way cs accepts 3.5 for 2 when the market will be much higher.
- ChrisMS

3.5 is fair.... similar to the Halak scenario... CS hasn't proved anything in a starter capacity. 2 years as a starter.. and then he can cash in.

Anything more than 4 and I would rather just trade him. So not only do we get a poopty return for Lu... getting Komi and a 2nd... we not only save 600 grand in cap relief from the 2? I would rather have Lu for 5.3 then CS for 4.7... at least for the next couple years and especially for THAT return and having to bring on Komi.. who absolutely sucks.

I think right now.. Lu and CS are both great goalies... is one greatly better than the other? Nope... but as of right now... CS is going to get a much better return.

And there are maybe 1 offer sheet once every couple years (if that)... if stamkos didn't get offered sheet over like a 3 month period... I can't imagine CS getting one.