Yea i guess that could be a possibility. I'm not sure that Burke will be around 2-3 years from but if he is I don't see that happening. I don't know if its a problem but Burke's morals keep him from signing those big cap circumventing contracts and I feel those same morals would prevent him from forcing a player into retirement by sending them down like that
- PatsLeafs

Burke needs to put his (frank)ing morals aside and do his job properly, if not his morals are all he's going to have left

If I'm competitive, I'm finishing the contract i agreed to when I signed it. I'm leading an AHL team to the calder cup, and I'm earning ONE MILLION DOLLARS to do it. If I'm physically ablw to strap on pads I'm playing the game I love... because once its over... its Over
- ChrisMS

Hahahahahahhaha

You honestly think players sign those ludicrously long, backloaded deals in good faith? Why the (frank) do you think the NHL outlawed them for the Kovalchuk types?

definitely not too much, but id rather not trade for Luongo and continue to eat up Komi's contract
- Nastradamus

I'm down with tanking this year, we lose Connolly, Lombo, and Armstrong after this season. I pray we dont get Luongo.

thats a bad deal for you guys holy shyt
- TheRussian

Not a bad deal, like I said if Luongo's healthy next year, the first we give up isn't even close to the top 10.

It's not like we're ngonna get Lu with just Kadri and Komi, even if we are dealing from a position of strength what with the limited trading partners VAN has in this case

Okay.... so LU wants to play... the team doesn`t need him. So they send him to the minors.. and hes okay with that.

GUESS WHAT? The 5.3 million cap hit is gone... and you can now do whatever you want with it. I dont think owners would have a hard time biting that 1 million dollars per year to keep him in the minors.

See how easy that was? WOW
- kneughter

apology accepted. problem though if the league does away with b urying saleries in the minors... which I hear is a possbilility

Vancouver fans need to understand that when you have 10 years and 64 million left on a contract for a guy who is 33 you can't get any sort of talent back. He is going to slide down the depth chart and be a backup making 5M+/per. You guys are in no position of power so just stop arguing anything. Simply put, you lose. Columbus has no need for a stop gap goalie who can give only 2 more years of 'solid' goaltending. Just smoke your pot and think of other ways to riot.
- optimus-reim

48 mill left. and look at brodeur... playing at 40 still... that could mean 7 years of "solid goaltending".

I think you should switch back to the grass... that rock is hurting your thought process. If you are gonna post facts... lets make the actually be facts.

I'm down with tanking this year, we lose Connolly, Lombo, and Armstrong after this season. I pray we dont get Luongo.
- yea-ok-buddy

I'm not.

We'll be like EDM, a tonne of up-front skill, but absolute bollocks when it comes to keeping them out of our own net.

If we don't get a bonafide solution in net then it doesn't matter who's up front.

It's the most important position in hockey.

If you don't believe me, think back to the OT goal Guysti let in vs. NJ that really did become the turning point for this team.

Not a bad deal, like I said if Luongo's healthy next year, the first we give up isn't even close to the top 10.

It's not like we're ngonna get Lu with just Kadri and Komi, even if we are dealing from a position of strength what with the limited trading partners VAN has in this case
- AngryWhiteMale

Who said a 7th overall pick and a minor salary dump isn't enough to get a goalie with an enormous contract, who has no trade provisions in his contract, who wants out of Vancouver?

If we are including first round picks (Kadri + actual draft picks) in a deal for Luongo, we need to walk away.

I'm down with tanking this year, we lose Connolly, Lombo, and Armstrong after this season. I pray we dont get Luongo.
- yea-ok-buddy

I don't think any team should intentionally 'tank' but I wouldn't mind adding in a one year vet goalie and letting the ship run it's course

Burke needs to put his (frank)ing morals aside and do his job properly, if not his morals are all he's going to have left
- Nastradamus

I agree. If it takes an $8 million/6-7 year contract to land ZP I'm all for it. Seems like he doesn't like signing anything longer than 5 year deals

48 mill left. and look at brodeur... playing at 40 still... that could mean 7 years of "solid goaltending".

I think you should switch back to the grass... that rock is hurting your thought process. If you are gonna post facts... lets make the actually be facts.
- SMP8719

I'm not of the thinking that Luonog has only a couple years left. He has at least 5 more solid years.

Who said a 7th overall pick and a minor salary dump isn't enough to get a goalie with an enormous contract, who has no trade provisions in his contract, who wants out of Vancouver?

If we are including first round picks (Kadri + actual draft picks) in a deal for Luongo, we need to walk away.
- Nastradamus

If we can somehow manage to dump an extra contract on top of that, I have no problem, pluys we'll walk away with a blue-chipper at the draft this year, so moving next year's isn't as wacky as it sounds

I'm not.

We'll be like EDM, a tonne of up-front skill, but absolute bollocks when it comes to keeping them out of our own net.

If we don't get a bonafide solution in net then it doesn't matter who's up front.

It's the most important position in hockey.

If you don't believe me, think back to the OT goal Guysti let in vs. NJ that really did become the turning point for this team.
- AngryWhiteMale

Oilers goals allowed - 239

Leafs goals allowed - 264

48 mill left. and look at brodeur... playing at 40 still... that could mean 7 years of "solid goaltending".

I think you should switch back to the grass... that rock is hurting your thought process. If you are gonna post facts... lets make the actually be facts.
- SMP8719

Brodeur's won multiple Stanley Cups, and is arguably the greatest goaltender of all time, there's a difference between the two - if there wasn't you guys wouldn't be in such a rush to unload Luongo

If we can somehow manage to dump an extra contract on top of that, I have no problem, pluys we'll walk away with a blue-chipper at the draft this year, so moving next year's isn't as wacky as it sounds
- AngryWhiteMale

Yes it is, because we've already stupidly traded first round draft picks in the not too distant past, which turned out to be arguably bad moves. Dougie Hamilton, Tyler Seguin, and Tuuka Rask - the B's have a lot of thanking to do

I don't think any team should intentionally 'tank' but I wouldn't mind adding in a one year vet goalie and letting the ship run it's course
- Nastradamus

Vokoun?

I honestly dont want Luongo to go to Toronto. I'd actually have to cheer for them and they'd make the playoffs and I kind of like it when the Leafs don't make the playoffs. The best would be Luongo to Tampa for Malone and the 10th overall. Good for both teams.
- Boinker

Come on guys Yserman is not going to give that up for Luo... we would be lucky to get the 19th and a lesser prospect... Malone has value. He is worth Vans 1st.

Oilers goals allowed - 239

Leafs goals allowed - 264
- robin_steele264

you win

Vokoun?
- tomburton99

Yea, that's what I was thinking. Much lower risk than Luongo, and that we don't need to pay for him

Oilers goals allowed - 239

Leafs goals allowed - 264
- robin_steele264

When you take the games vs. BOS out of the equation, it's similar.

Plus you guys got CGY, MIN & COL for a total of 18 games last year.

Not exactly powerhosues in their own regard

Yes it is, because we've already stupidly traded first round draft picks in the not too distant past, which turned out to be arguably bad moves. Dougie Hamilton, Tyler Seguin, and Tuuka Rask - the B's have a lot of thanking to do
- Nastradamus

Rask was a move made by a dumbass GM who wasn't willing to wait and see which one of Pogge or Rask would work out.

As far as the Kessel trade is concerned, at least we got SOMETHING out of that trade. And for what it's worth, while I was more into giving Kadri and Kaberle from for Kessel from the start, I honestly didn't think we were THAT bad. Yes, I thought two top 10s would result from that deal, but I seriously didn't think we were gonna be that terrible from the start

Yea, that's what I was thinking. Much lower risk than Luongo, and that we don't need to pay for him
- Nastradamus

wouldn't be a bad guy to havea around. Good example for scrivens/reimer to learn from.

When you take the games vs. BOS out of the equation, it's similar.

Plus you guys got CGY, MIN & COL for a total of 18 games last year.

Not exactly powerhosues in their own regard
- AngryWhiteMale

Minus those Boston games we would have 150 goals against.

When you take the games vs. BOS out of the equation, it's similar.

Plus you guys got CGY, MIN & COL for a total of 18 games last year.

Not exactly powerhosues in their own regard
- AngryWhiteMale

right.


Take away a bunch of goals allowed for the Leafs, and add a bunch against the Oilers, and you're point stands.

I'm not.

We'll be like EDM, a tonne of up-front skill, but absolute bollocks when it comes to keeping them out of our own net.

If we don't get a bonafide solution in net then it doesn't matter who's up front.

It's the most important position in hockey.

If you don't believe me, think back to the OT goal Guysti let in vs. NJ that really did become the turning point for this team.
- AngryWhiteMale

If TO gets Lu.. I guarantee he gets them into the playoffs. http://www.quanthockey.co...easons-goalies-stats.html
Look at that statistical consistency... he is a fantastic goalie... top 10 in the league for sure... possibly top 5 if you use stats. Don't listen to idiots in here who want to undervalue you.